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Title: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Brujah on February 25, 2013, 09:21:09 pm
I left a character logged off with car in World Map and when I logged back in he was in respawn camp, apparently the feature is bugged.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alexandrite on February 25, 2013, 09:35:57 pm
I left a character logged off with car in World Map and when I logged back in he was in respawn camp, apparently the feature is bugged.

Now you tell me. I logged off a character for 1 minute on the world map, then next thing I know i that I respawned in the respawn camp.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: -Max Payne- on February 25, 2013, 09:48:17 pm
The new system is really SHIT

You can do nothing, you can't stay WM 3 seconds without spawn in a fucking encounter, you can't protect your char with an other, you can't do fucking pvp now!!!
I have stop to play 2 days, log my sneak, 3 minutes idling time, WHAT THE FUCK?

I have must wait 12 minutes for starting pvp!! For big teams the system is good, but for players like me, who play alone, and protect for example my crafter with a big gun WM it is now impossible to play!! I play this game for 3 years, and never have so much ragequiting!!
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Brujah on February 25, 2013, 09:59:25 pm
http://dev.fonline2238.net/trac.wsgi/ticket/447


Stupid ticket since people keep nagging me IRC about not seeing any ticket in the bug tracker, "Uno post tiketz! Bug ish fake and ghey!111!".


:P
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: naossano on February 25, 2013, 11:30:13 pm
Max Payne >
You mean the idling timer also affect area other than Reno/TC town ?
I mean, other than these cities, Glow/Ares and unguarded mines, there were little chances to meet 10 waves from 20 players...
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on February 25, 2013, 11:33:23 pm
Alt-tabbing became a bit slower, but a tent in inventory usually do the trick to pause the game.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Swinglinered on February 25, 2013, 11:35:02 pm
The new system is really SHIT

You can do nothing, you can't stay WM 3 seconds without spawn in a fucking encounter, you can't protect your char with an other, you can't do fucking pvp now!!!
I have stop to play 2 days, log my sneak, 3 minutes idling time, WHAT THE FUCK?

I have must wait 12 minutes for starting pvp!! For big teams the system is good, but for players like me, who play alone, and protect for example my crafter with a big gun WM it is now impossible to play!! I play this game for 3 years, and never have so much ragequiting!!

Put the big gunner in a tent right next to town. Will only add 5-10 seconds to arrival time.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on February 26, 2013, 12:05:23 am
How comes when one stop moving, the idle timer runs back? This way you cant get out of idler status.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: greenthumb on February 26, 2013, 12:55:42 am
i believe this happens due the slow connection or other conectivity problem. Simply between you press EXIT in your place and adding (off) status to your character on server is enough time to fall into encounter > login resp camp
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Ox-Skull on February 26, 2013, 08:06:16 am
Does an outdoorsman check come into play with forced encounters? Id say there should be more chance of avoiding the enc, than normal encs. considering u are not moving.

Maybe something for cautious nature perk to effect in some way?

I shouldnt have to haul my arse to the other end of the WM to go to a tent/safe place if i need to do a poo IRL.
I shouldnt have to haul my arse to the other end of the WM to go to a tent/safe place if i need to answer the phone IRL.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Brujah on February 26, 2013, 01:50:38 pm
I shouldnt have to haul my arse to the other end of the WM to go to a tent/safe place if i need to do a poo IRL.
I shouldnt have to haul my arse to the other end of the WM to go to a tent/safe place if i need to answer the phone IRL.

If it's an emergency, "~Combatmode TB" command should buy you a lot of time to do your chores IRL.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Stuntman on February 26, 2013, 01:57:19 pm
The new system is really SHIT

You can do nothing, you can't stay WM 3 seconds without spawn in a fucking encounter, you can't protect your char with an other, you can't do fucking pvp now!!!
I have stop to play 2 days, log my sneak, 3 minutes idling time, WHAT THE FUCK?

I have must wait 12 minutes for starting pvp!! For big teams the system is good, but for players like me, who play alone, and protect for example my crafter with a big gun WM it is now impossible to play!! I play this game for 3 years, and never have so much ragequiting!!

You're noob if you need to protect crafter from other character in new window. It's multiplayer so you should find a group or be more smart when playing non-combat character.

ENCOUNTERS FOR IDLERS IS THE BEST FEATURE IN FONLINE BECAUSE I CAN EASILY KICK YOUR ASS IN 1vs1.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: MRtrader on February 26, 2013, 02:11:10 pm
hmmm i was afraid of this so logging off in WM can get you killed...
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: JovankaB on February 26, 2013, 02:42:22 pm
I left a character logged off with car in World Map and when I logged back in he was in respawn camp, apparently the feature is bugged.

Were you alone in the car or with someone else? Anyway, this is bad and it shouldn't happen,
so we have to figure out some way to prevent it.

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protect for example my crafter with a big gun WM

That's lame and it's made difficult by design, so you can't cheat around the fact that someone
killed you by having extra PvP apes left on WM. A perfect system preventing it is impossible,
but the current one is the most effective and it doesn't require much GM attention.

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I have must wait 12 minutes for starting pvp!!

I understand it could appear that long if your poor crafter was being looted by some PK and
you couldn't enter Mariposa with your PvP ape immediately, but it really is not 12 minutes.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Brujah on February 26, 2013, 02:58:04 pm
Were you alone in the car or with someone else? Anyway, this is bad and it shouldn't happen,
so we have to figure out some way to prevent it.

I was alone.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on February 26, 2013, 04:03:32 pm
Were you alone in the car or with someone else? Anyway, this is bad and it shouldn't happen,
so we have to figure out some way to prevent it.

Oh, so i can actually have a safe smoke break on map in my car?
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: chocolate_chip_cookies on February 26, 2013, 04:08:58 pm
I can confirm. I logged off my character on wm logged back on in respawn ragequit for the day
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: -Max Payne- on February 26, 2013, 05:28:51 pm
You're noob if you need to protect crafter from other character in new window. It's multiplayer so you should find a group or be more smart when playing non-combat character.

ENCOUNTERS FOR IDLERS IS THE BEST FEATURE IN FONLINE BECAUSE I CAN EASILY KICK YOUR ASS IN 1vs1.
A noob? HAHA, idiot, how protect your char against 5 pvp guys with big guns? i would like to see that if you are so good. I need to craft, and have no other choice.

Nao, yes , if you try to go to mariposa for example, you will have idlind time. This system is shit it"s all.

I play for 3 years, and i dont find a fucking team without trolls or base raper, i'm french, and french people are really fucking bastards on this game.

And why when i connect my sneak in my tent, near reno, i can't go direct pvp to reno? Always have this fucking timer, its not nice.

You can't protect your char with a big gun in a tent near the area, i have one tent and have 3 big guners to protect me. Now when i connect my pvp char and go world, i always have this fucking timer. I have lost 17 laser rifle with extentend mag , armors, 1 xl 70,etc... because 3 guys was pking in mariposa. And i was like an idiot, can't do nothing, just wait 3 minutes to enter with an other char. So the system suck.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Tomowolf on February 26, 2013, 05:31:21 pm
A noob? HAHA, idiot, how protect your char against 5 pvp guys with big guns? i would like to see that if you are so good. I need to craft, and have no other choice.

Nao, yes , if you try to go to mariposa for example, you will have idlind time. This system is shit it"s all.

I play for 3 years, and i dont find a fucking team without trolls or base raper, i'm french, and french people are really fucking bastards on this game.

And why when i connect my sneak in my tent, near reno, i can't go direct pvp to reno? Always have this fucking timer, its not nice.

You can't protect your char with a big gun in a tent near the area, i have one tent and have 3 big guners to protect me. Now when i connect my pvp char and go world, i always have this fucking timer. I have lost 17 laser rifle with extentend mag , armors, 1 xl 70,etc... because 3 guys was pking in mariposa. And i was like an idiot, can't do nothing, just wait 3 minutes to enter with an other char. So the system suck.
blahblahblahblah, noob.
Srsly learn to craft, you're there for 2 years and you're getting laid by some pvpers lol.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: -Max Payne- on February 26, 2013, 05:43:26 pm
If you post just to say shit fuck off, you are the noob. I have no time to speak with idiots like you, speak to give solutions or shut up.

 You probably are playing with bbs, in 1VS1 you FUCKING RUN or come back with 10 guys to kill one crafter.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Mrockatansky on February 26, 2013, 06:01:02 pm
One of our players encountered a (off)-guy in random map.
So there is a litle more evidence something is not going as intended.

offtopic: TTTLA are decent people. The problem must be you.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alec Ramsey on February 26, 2013, 06:40:10 pm
  unless i dont understand, people are mad because the new system is making alt and fast relog difficult.   

new system is better than old system, IMHO.  it makes it more fair to people who dont abuse the game mechanics. 

  i like the idea of carrying a fold up tent for a "pause button", i forget how heavy it is at the moment though.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Tomowolf on February 26, 2013, 06:42:45 pm
If you post just to say shit fuck off, you are the noob. I have no time to speak with idiots like you, speak to give solutions or shut up.

 You probably are playing with bbs, in 1VS1 you FUCKING RUN or come back with 10 guys to kill one crafter.
You rage too much over internets, and over silly game, get used to it, or change the way you're playing.
Another miss is that I do not play with BBS (cheers) and I DO "FUCKING RUN" because it is best strategy ever to win (or kill enemy, but 1vs10 is not good).
Try crafting with a sneaker, way easier, noone touches your items.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: -Max Payne- on February 26, 2013, 07:16:03 pm
You rage too much over internets, and over silly game, get used to it, or change the way you're playing.
Another miss is that I do not play with BBS (cheers) and I DO "FUCKING RUN" because it is best strategy ever to win (or kill enemy, but 1vs10 is not good).
Try crafting with a sneaker, way easier, noone touches your items.

Do you know why i rage so much? For more times i went to mariposa for craft, and always killing by 3, 4, sometimes 5 guys, i relog my big gunner kill them all, (if you dont trust me i have screens) and they come always back at 6 minimum. The players  arent fair on the game, when one guy kill me and my 2 friends at 1VS3, i will not come back with 10 others guy, just have respect to him that he fuck me, and leave him my stuf . The last time we was 2, have kill 3 guys 2 times, and they have coming back with 5 guys and 3 mercs gatling laser. That is not fight. I love too much this game to stop it, but i dont found a fucking solution, so i must craft alone.

More over that, i have so much stuf like gatlings, ca , avengers, a big stuff of ammo, a nice base, but cant do pvp because always alone, or just maximum 3 guys..
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Mike Crosser on February 26, 2013, 07:50:45 pm

Join a non French faction?
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: -Max Payne- on February 26, 2013, 07:57:09 pm
French cannot into fonline.

You're probably too young to play this game, if everyone rape your character, tents and bases ???

Guy, i m 24 years old, have play with something like 7,8 teams : bbs tttla hawks sand brother AF etc...

Mike crosser:

I know all of this game, i play fallout for 11 years, and just play fallout. I speak english, german, and french, but i cant play with guys that i can't trust, i play very seriously and have no time to spend with liitle guys who just do shit, and it is the reason who i just play with 2 friends.I have play with all frenchies, there is no fair alliance possible. And we have try to have ally with bbs, tttla, hawks, and always have shit because the players aren't serious.

I now play with Ada Lovelace Lovers for 3 months, good guys, but inactive, it sucks.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Prometheus on February 26, 2013, 08:42:07 pm
Guy, i m 24 years old, have play with something like 7,8 teams : bbs tttla hawks sand brother AF etc...

Mike crosser:

I know all of this game, i play fallout for 11 years, and just play fallout. I speak english, german, and french, but i cant play with guys that i can't trust, i play very seriously and have no time to spend with liitle guys who just do shit, and it is the reason who i just play with 2 friends.I have play with all frenchies, there is no fair alliance possible. And we have try to have ally with bbs, tttla, hawks, and always have shit because the players aren't serious.

I now play with Ada Lovelace Lovers for 3 months, good guys, but inactive, it sucks.

haha, u play ''VERY SERIOUSLY'' , yet ure alone, u think ure another Chosen one here? That shit might have worked quite well in single player fallout but not here!
Btw i fight in tc this session, and i like new idling timer system, never had time to prepare 1000000000 alts new town!
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: T-888 on February 26, 2013, 08:59:18 pm
I now play with Ada Lovelace Lovers for 3 months, good guys, but inactive, it sucks.

As far as I know, they never were active.

i went to mariposa for craft, and always killing by 3, 4, sometimes 5

Little guy, that is what I call typical noob rage.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on February 26, 2013, 09:20:17 pm
Getting killed all the time? Time to level the ninja AC crafter.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: vedaras on February 26, 2013, 11:47:02 pm
Does an outdoorsman check come into play with forced encounters? Id say there should be more chance of avoiding the enc, than normal encs. considering u are not moving.

Maybe something for cautious nature perk to effect in some way?

I shouldnt have to haul my arse to the other end of the WM to go to a tent/safe place if i need to do a poo IRL.
I shouldnt have to haul my arse to the other end of the WM to go to a tent/safe place if i need to answer the phone IRL.

yes this is very true what you wrote. I hate this shit, when i stay on world map with my taxi acount, or i set him to travel in some far place, and do something else in that time, since he will travel safe to the end location, and of course i become idle i get encountered through out my good outdoorsman skill and am fucked with some good recources that deplete and i cannot regain tham in fast time. i think this feature should have either outdoorsman check or would be removed at all, since idle timer should solve fast relogging problem anyway.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Brujah on February 27, 2013, 01:00:34 am
How did a mere warning thread so people don't die due to a bug became another PVP rage thread?
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on February 27, 2013, 09:05:53 am
i think this feature should have either outdoorsman check.

Or Sneak. Good idea. A good outdoor survivalist must be able to hide himself from predators.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: -Max Payne- on February 27, 2013, 07:46:42 pm
haha, u play ''VERY SERIOUSLY'' , yet ure alone, u think ure another Chosen one here? That shit might have worked quite well in single player fallout but not here!
Btw i fight in tc this session, and i like new idling timer system, never had time to prepare 1000000000 alts new town!

No i dont think that i"m an chosen one. I have say that i play with 2 players. The new system is good for big teams, not for little teams or loner player.

 T888- :    All wasn't active, but have decided yesterday to come back to use all the stuff we have in tc, then stop the game and wait for wipe. We have do some actions yesterday in reno, i think you was probably here.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Dick McGee on March 01, 2013, 12:01:37 am
I'm really not liking the new system either. I haven't been killed while logged out yet, but it's a pain in the ass if I'm in a dangerous town and I'm not even safe going to the WM for a minute. Like others have said, it's kinda stupid that I need to log out if I'm traveling and get a phone call or something.
Also, I have been getting random encounters while idling over towns, although I'm fairly sure that's nothing new. IMO, if the new system stays is place then I feel like you should be safe while hovering on a "civilized" tile (like the green spot for NCR, Hub, San Fran etc.).

Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: T-888 on March 01, 2013, 01:32:15 am
That won't happen in regard of the "civilized" areas, someone rather makes the game less exploitable in expense of comfort.

This system should have never taken place, the developer behind it can't admit the system is just as flawed as it used to be and the "improvements" is just a tradeoff for the same comfort, for a player friendly environment with unnecessarily complex solution to comprehend at first precisely targeting the relevance of well being of new players. Everything is boiled down to "getting used to" and how am I tired to hear this bullshit as I don't want to deal with the bitter cake the developers try to shove into me and present as the next best thing or some crap.

Nobody asked me or anyone else in the matter of fact whether someone would even this kind of system, it just appeared.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on March 01, 2013, 02:06:12 am
It would be good if one could put up a tent directly from the worldmap, or car if one need to go AFK really fast. You will still require a folded tent in inventory, though.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: TKs-KaBoom on March 01, 2013, 03:34:25 am
agree with previous two posts - should be safe over guarded town and be able to pitch your tent from WM
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Mike Crosser on March 01, 2013, 10:42:30 am
should be safe over guarded town and be able to pitch your tent from WM
Yes yes,yes.yes please.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on March 01, 2013, 11:50:33 am
Or alternatively "hide" in the desert, if you have enough Outdoor and SandRobes.
Thus, this armor gains a purpose, like some kind of Ghillie suit.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: -Max Payne- on March 01, 2013, 02:09:02 pm
Totally agree with this, please just give safe WM on town or area that we can leave chars WM.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Mike Crosser on March 01, 2013, 02:28:58 pm
Totally agree with this, please just give safe WM on town or area that we can leave chars WM.
Meh,I'd like it more if it was only for loged in chars,since I'd like to be able to leave the game without having to search for a town/tent/base to enter.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: JovankaB on March 01, 2013, 03:15:41 pm
If "camping" on WM was possible it couldn't be over circles with town preview
and only with increasing idling timer (for everyone in the "WM camp" group).
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Alvarez on March 01, 2013, 03:23:34 pm
If "camping" on WM was possible it couldn't be over circles with town preview and only with increasing idling timer (for everyone in the "WM camp" group).

And with camouflaging Sand Robes on?
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Brujah on March 01, 2013, 03:26:32 pm
I have to agree with jovanka, it takes only 10 seconds to drive to another unguarded city and leave the car in base.



Would bring FR back.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: JovankaB on March 01, 2013, 03:30:04 pm
And with camouflaging Sand Robes on?

I don't see much point of it, could be just "safe camping" button on WM interface.
Otherwise it would be very obscure for new players that there is such possibility.
And why going to toilet should be only possible if you have some item...

If you mean requirement to wear robe instead of idling timer increase, the
thing is multilogging PvP ape can have such robe without a problem.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: avv on March 01, 2013, 04:36:15 pm
Safe wm can only be allowed if it causes idling and you can't make previews.
Title: Re: Don't log off in World Map.
Post by: Jorhan Stahl on March 01, 2013, 09:41:25 pm
Not discovered any issues myself yet, but I am sure I will.
Though I did log off on the world map and when I cam back online, someone had placed a piece of fruit in my pocket.
left me my ammo and guns. The wasteland needs more oddballs.