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Title: Bombing
Post by: Gimper on January 15, 2013, 05:12:43 am
Mayck has said that the bomb farming will be removed in the future. Let him hear your voice!
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Wind_Drift on January 15, 2013, 05:18:27 am
I'm okay with it only if Enclave patrols are nerfed to a reasonable degree.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Cyber Jesus on January 15, 2013, 10:00:33 am
People farm enclave with dynamite because that's the only reasonable way to do it. If enclave was nerfed then there would be no need for dynamite farming.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Mike Crosser on January 15, 2013, 01:04:43 pm
What about NCR?
You can't do this to the PK community.
What will idlers like me do now that we only have to dodge greasers.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Mayck on January 15, 2013, 02:04:03 pm
Quote from: Gimper on January 15, 2013, 05:12:43 am
Mayck has said that the bomb farming will be removed in the future. Let him hear your voice!
You forgot to mention the infinite ammo and super-stim stealing...
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: greenthumb on January 15, 2013, 02:40:26 pm
what does "infinite" mean for you? 250? 2500? 25 000? 2 500 000? now put this number to relation with time needed to obtain such "infinite" amounts, compare to crafting? What is your calculation?

Let see example of MFC:
CRAFTING 1000 MFC
for craftin 1000 MFC you will need :
30 uranium ore (takes like 5minutes in BH including rafination)
600 caps for rafination unrefined ore(takes 10 min to enslave and sell 3 slaveS)
10 eparts (takes 5 more minutes to gather in waterworks)
10 alloys (takes 10 minutes to gather iron and minerals and make alloys)
Bringing all materials to Advanced WB(15min)
Crafting 1000 MFC(5min)
IN TOTAL 50 minutes required to craft 1000 MFC from nothing

STEALING 1000MFC
From my personal experience i know that i can gather like 2000 MFC with thief in 1 hour, in case i dont fail, if i fail i cant continue till next day, so there is additional limitation. Mostly i fail in first 30 minutes of stealing MFC with 296% steal skill.

If i compare stealing and crafting now i see 2 similar features to gather one type of material, efficiency is  diffrent, Ratio is 1/2 for Crafting/Stealing.





Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: gauvaran on January 15, 2013, 04:35:29 pm
Yes, and crafting 10K MFC is much faster than stealing
And each time I stole Enclave, I had a micro heart attack :(
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Lilian13 on January 15, 2013, 07:21:22 pm
GM must add more blueprint such as AVENGER, CA MK 2 and of course the BROTHERHOOD ARMOR to motive big team to come back. They will farm them and get therefore high quality stuff to pvp etc. Its very important and then there will be less bombing  ;)
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: avv on January 15, 2013, 08:27:08 pm
Quote from: Lilian13 on January 15, 2013, 07:21:22 pm
GM must add more blueprint such as AVENGER, CA MK 2 and of course the BROTHERHOOD ARMOR to motive big team to come back. They will farm them and get therefore high quality stuff to pvp etc. Its very important and then there will be less bombing  ;)

Hardly.
The big issue is that many players can't keep up with the current farming and alting requirements. People have left or won't participate because they have to level all sorts of special alts to farm and supply their fastrelog waves. More farming options would just mean that some of the current hoarders would just have something more to hoard, while those who play only rarely would get even more reasons not to play because they couldn't keep up.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Wind_Drift on January 16, 2013, 01:00:49 am
Quote from: Mayck on January 15, 2013, 02:04:03 pm
You forgot to mention the infinite ammo and super-stim stealing...

I'm not complaining or being rude - but I am certainly curious when this will happen.  I only ask, so that I can plan appropriately.

I know, I know.  "Soon."

I guess all I'm asking for is a ballpark guesstimate, like "Probably next update" or "Next Season", etc.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: T-888 on January 16, 2013, 01:16:22 am
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on January 15, 2013, 10:00:33 am
People farm enclave with dynamite because that's the only reasonable way to do it. If enclave was nerfed then there would be no need for dynamite farming.

It is supposed to be hard, very hard as that is the most toughest encounter out there with a unique reward. Doing it by explosives is close to zero effort and that kinda doesn't add up to the concept.


My point of view.
TC box = unlimited amount.
Quote from: greenthumb on January 15, 2013, 02:40:26 pm
Let see example of MFC:
CRAFTING 6000 MFC
180 uranium ore (loot from TC box)
3600 caps for rafination unrefined ore(there is also refined uranium ore from TC box, if not you can gets caps from TC box)
60 eparts (TC box)
60 alloys (Kill a lot of players daily and science broken loot, science a lot farmed unnecessary equipment, and it stacks up with time in unreasonable amounts, haven't gone to a mine for alloys since start of session)
Bringing all materials to Advanced WB(10 min)
Crafting 6000 MFC(??min)
IN TOTAL 10+?? minutes required to craft 6000 MFC from nothing
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Cyber Jesus on January 16, 2013, 10:03:39 am

Last time i checked TC boxes are broken
(http://i48.tinypic.com/33kxe1k.jpg)

Quote from: T-888 on January 16, 2013, 01:16:22 am
My point of view.
TC box = unlimited amount.
unlimited amount of useless crap
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Mrockatansky on January 16, 2013, 10:10:16 am
Quote from: Mayck on January 15, 2013, 02:04:03 pm
You forgot to mention the infinite ammo and super-stim stealing...

Totally OK with it, if there will be a respective change in the game.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: T-888 on January 16, 2013, 10:39:09 am
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on January 16, 2013, 10:03:39 am
Last time i checked TC boxes are broken
unlimited amount of useless crap

You don't know how it even works. ;D
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: greenthumb on January 16, 2013, 10:57:10 am
if iam right each TC box respawn items while town controling gang is in town, period is 30 minutes, iam not sure about quantities. i believe that stuff from TC isnt realy cheap, since many players have to risk all their gear.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Mrockatansky on January 16, 2013, 11:51:28 am
Quote
if iam right each TC box respawn items while town controling gang is in town, period is 30 minutes.  players have to risk their gear.

yes

Quote
i believe that stuff from TC isnt realy cheap

no, most of it is crap.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: T-888 on January 16, 2013, 12:14:24 pm
Quote from: greenthumb on January 16, 2013, 10:57:10 am
if iam right each TC box respawn items while town controling gang is in town, period is 30 minutes

30 minutes, yes, but not while gang is controlling the town, of course it is the requirement to access the box, just that an afk character with TC viable equipment in city is enough. That's assrifle + metal armor.

Quote from: greenthumb on January 16, 2013, 10:57:10 am
i am not sure about quantities. i believe that stuff from TC isnt realy cheap, since many players have to risk all their gear.

(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5002/ammox.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/ammox.jpg/)

Here some screen from start of session. Those aren't correct quantities, as something was already looted and don't mind stuff in character inventory, now I remember, there was loot based on the amount of influence and this was maybe the first time we were able to obtain something out of it and thus the minimum quantity. Basically everything that is in TC box you get in large quantities, very large, just because you can leave a character over night and accumulate large quantities of stuff in multiple cities at once, in practice were talking about 6 digit numbers of any type of ammunition in TC box, 5 digit numbers of any drugs available in da box, 5 digit numbers of any available resource box, maybe except electronic parts, but it doesn't fall behind much.

Quite unlimited if only someone is ready to keep PC on sleep mode overnight for some time.

Besides that you get caps, buffout, electronic parts, .223 ammo, 14mm ammo, small energy cells, uranium ore (the one in screen is refined I believe) and some less useful stuff like 10mmAP ammo what is not in screen. Certain items can be obtained from specific cities.

In comparison to normal players that don't have access to it is like this, some people have been concerned on forum that 7.62 ammo is quite rare and hard to get, well I level characters with it without fear of running out of it. ;D

Conclusion after this session.

TC box is OP and can be heavily abused.

I actually brought this issue up long, long time ago, but of course nobody gives a fuck. These kind of features makes the game a joke.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Gimper on January 18, 2013, 04:54:39 am
Quote from: Mrockatansky on January 16, 2013, 11:51:28 am
yes

no, most of it is crap.
Except for the drugs. i've heard its the easiest way to get buffout and what not.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: greenthumb on January 18, 2013, 10:20:56 am
easiest way to get drugs is to buy them from rabitman
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Roachor on January 18, 2013, 11:18:52 am
Lol as if noobs have the resources or know how to get explosives and a good thief to plant them.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Brujah on January 18, 2013, 11:47:15 am
Quote from: Gimper on January 18, 2013, 04:54:39 am
Except for the drugs. i've heard its the easiest way to get buffout and what not.

Gotta love "these" guys...
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: avv on January 18, 2013, 12:56:06 pm
Quote from: T-888 on January 16, 2013, 12:14:24 pm
TC box is OP and can be heavily abused.

It's because how the stuff spawns there: leave character afking, stuff keeps spawning. It should be so that player actively works towards the spawns while inside the town.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: falloutdude on January 18, 2013, 02:04:51 pm
I still dont understand why Devs and players do not realize this is a Game. In a game there is many ways to get different things for many different playing styles. I hate crafting and if that was the only way to get stuff than I would never come back. I dont have the time to go to a mine and hope that some other people have not allready cleared it than going to another mine and do the same. half of the time resouces are allready taken unless you camp an area and if you do that people get mad because they cant rp a miner. Let different play styles stay, Its a game and it should be easy to get stuff so players can spend less time colllecting stuff and more time having fun which is what is supposed to happen in a game.
Title: Re: Bombing
Post by: Gimper on January 18, 2013, 07:45:17 pm
I think gathering resources is fun. Only because I look forward to the out come, which is mostly dynamite  ;D