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Title: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Giftless on November 08, 2012, 10:08:51 pm
Thought some of you survivalists might enjoy this; it has nuclear themes and scary puppets ;D

http://archive.org/details/rural_civil_defense_tv_spots_1965
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Cyber Jesus on November 09, 2012, 09:03:08 am
the fuck is this some kind of US propaganda movie?
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Gob on November 09, 2012, 10:48:07 am
oh, i get it. obama is banning semi-auto's and handguns, and now people are pissed and getting ready for civil war.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 09, 2012, 03:14:06 pm
Hay is well known for its radiation blocking properties
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Giftless on November 10, 2012, 12:26:47 am
Hay is well known for its radiation blocking properties

It might be dumbed down; but assuming you don't have concrete block or lead shielding, getting a couple of feet of soil between you and the blast is about the best way to reduce exposure to the initial radiation.

Then if you consider that soil is primarily decayed plant material... Hay isn't exactly a nonsensical material to line the walls of a barn with.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 10, 2012, 01:52:33 am
It might be dumbed down; but assuming you don't have concrete block or lead shielding, getting a couple of feet of soil between you and the blast is about the best way to reduce exposure to the initial radiation.

Then if you consider that soil is primarily decayed plant material... Hay isn't exactly a nonsensical material to line the walls of a barn with.

Soil is dense, hay is dry grass in bales. I'm pretty sure that would do nothing to help.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Giftless on November 19, 2012, 09:28:47 pm
Soil is dense, hay is dry grass in bales. I'm pretty sure that would do nothing to help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_protection

Quote
Shielding: The term 'biological shield' refers to a mass of absorbing material placed around a reactor, or other radioactive source, to reduce the radiation to a level safe for humans.[1] The effectiveness of a material as a biological shield is related to its cross-section for scattering and absorption, and to a first approximation is proportional to the total mass of material per unit area interposed along the line of sight between the radiation source and the region to be protected. Hence, shielding strength or "thickness" is conventionally measured in units of g/cm2. The radiation that manages to get through falls exponentially with the thickness of the shield. In x-ray facilities, the plaster on the rooms with the x-ray generator contains barium sulfate and the operators stay behind a leaded glass screen and wear lead aprons. Almost any material can act as a shield from gamma or x-rays if used in sufficient amounts.

Including materials such as water and wood--which are listed under the section "Shielding Design."
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Giftless on November 19, 2012, 09:51:09 pm
http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm

If anyone's curious, this page has some text from "Radioactive Fallout on the Farm," one of the pamphlets shown in the video. Either scroll down until you see it or do a command [Find: PROTECTING LIVESTOCK] on the page.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Fat Man on November 19, 2012, 10:15:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60

This is videos that all our parents watched when they were kids growing up in the 50's, 60's they used to make jokes about this video. "When there is a nuclear attack you put your legs behind your head and kiss your ass good bye"  ;D

Also the inspiration for this fallout1/2 fan site.
http://www.duckandcover.cx/

Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 20, 2012, 02:08:32 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_protection

Including materials such as water and wood--which are listed under the section "Shielding Design."

Notice how it says its determined by g/cm, hay is pretty much the lightest material possible and would be useless for shielding. Sure anything can be used, if you had a mile of hay it might help but I doubt a few bales will do anything. Remember this is the same people that sad hiding under a desk can protect from nukes.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Ganado on November 20, 2012, 02:35:13 am
The point of that is to keep order and nothing else. referring to the duck and cover video.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Giftless on November 20, 2012, 06:16:46 am
Notice how it says its determined by g/cm, hay is pretty much the lightest material possible and would be useless for shielding. Sure anything can be used, if you had a mile of hay it might help but I doubt a few bales will do anything. Remember this is the same people that sad hiding under a desk can protect from nukes.

No, the point is not everyone is at ground zero; and once you reach a certain distance from the blast, even minor protection can help. Maybe in the case of a nuclear attack you'd prefer to stand in the open air, lamenting how nothing can be done. As for me, I'd rather take a desk over nothing and have some protection against flying glass and collapsed ceilings.

By the way, according to this site the density of hay is 160 kg per meter cubed.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/j4504E/j4504e08.htm

Which is only about 1/6 of that of water at 1000 kg per meter cubed. Now I can easily plug this information back into the wiki-chart (noting the fairly consistent inverse relationship of "halving thickness" and "density" in similar materials) and get a halving thickness figure of 3.75 feet, or less considering that the wood of the barn is being used as well as the hay.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 20, 2012, 03:02:04 pm
Ok well next time a nuke goes off go stand in an outhouse and let me know how well you are protected.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Fat Man on November 20, 2012, 06:09:53 pm
Ok well next time a nuke goes off go stand in an outhouse and let me know how well you are protected.
Or how about we should be thinking about how to prevent a nuclear attack than worrying about what to do if one happends?

The only way to survive a nuclear attack is for one to not happen at all is the reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 20, 2012, 06:53:27 pm
Humanity could use a good culling, nuclear war is inevitable. It's like giving a chimp a loaded gun.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Horatio on November 20, 2012, 07:28:50 pm
Humanity could use a good culling.

Feel free to volunteer.

But to use nukes, you must be afraid. Very afraid. Insanely afraid. Like a cornered rat.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 20, 2012, 08:32:59 pm
Feel free to volunteer.

But to use nukes, you must be afraid. Very afraid. Insanely afraid. Like a cornered rat.

Next 20 years we will have more human population than we can currently support plus massive crop failures world wide due to climate changes. See how brutal the world gets when you have only have enough food for 10% of the population, the wars over remaining resources should wipe most of us out.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Fat Man on November 20, 2012, 10:37:56 pm
Next 20 years we will have more human population than we can currently support plus massive crop failures world wide due to climate changes. See how brutal the world gets when you have only have enough food for 10% of the population, the wars over remaining resources should wipe most of us out.

So nuke every life form on the planet into extinction? Great fucking solution roachor, I am sure the reamining survivors of the human race would be smart enough and pyshically fit to survive when they are retarded and deformed from the radiation to appreciate that the earth went to nuclear war over the way society acts and food.


You know the reality of it is that if a nuclear war were to happen there wouldn't be any survivors and the human race wouldn't live in a 2238 fantasy land. Those who would survive would die from radiation and their offsprings would be deformed, and the normal ones would be too retarded to think about survival. We wouldn't have funny 2 headed cows, blue suits and plasma rifle wars if this happened. Have some fucking hope for humanity.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 21, 2012, 01:07:44 am
So nuke every life form on the planet into extinction? Great fucking solution roachor, I am sure the reamining survivors of the human race would be smart enough and pyshically fit to survive when they are retarded and deformed from the radiation to appreciate that the earth went to nuclear war over the way society acts and food.


You know the reality of it is that if a nuclear war were to happen there wouldn't be any survivors and the human race wouldn't live in a 2238 fantasy land. Those who would survive would die from radiation and their offsprings would be deformed, and the normal ones would be too retarded to think about survival. We wouldn't have funny 2 headed cows, blue suits and plasma rifle wars if this happened. Have some fucking hope for humanity.

Nukes aren't that effective, the lack of human activity would heal the planet far more than nuclear winter would harm it. Hell it might even cancel out global warming. Just look at how much the ozone repaired itself when all the flights were grounded on 9/11, that was just one day.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Fat Man on November 21, 2012, 01:26:35 am
Nukes aren't that effective, the lack of human activity would heal the planet far more than nuclear winter would harm it. Hell it might even cancel out global warming. Just look at how much the ozone repaired itself when all the flights were grounded on 9/11, that was just one day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Giftless on November 21, 2012, 07:05:33 am
Ok well next time a nuke goes off go stand in an outhouse and let me know how well you are protected.

Another silly comparison won't save you from losing the argument ;)
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Marko on November 21, 2012, 07:24:03 am
I once hears of a study where it was determined that freshly popped popcorn was an excellent radiation insulator.

I also read once why it is safer to be outside of a military tank than inside, at a certain distance range from the blast site, as the the effects of EMP become more deadly as it passes through metal. So the guys inside get shielded from physical blast, but cooked anyway.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: greenthumb on November 21, 2012, 01:49:25 pm
i dont know amplitude od EMP from nuke but duration is 1-100 microseconds and i believe its not that high to raise significantly temperature of steel or any other alloy. Do you have any link to information about that high heat from nuke EMP?

only danger would be if people in tank are not isolated from body of tank and "somehow" inducted current would flow through their body parts, but steel itself is much better conductor and tank is grounded too.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 22, 2012, 12:16:22 am
Doesn't emp only fuck up magnetic fields?
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Fat Man on November 22, 2012, 02:18:54 am
Doesn't emp only fuck up magnetic fields?

EMP is an electromagnetic field that can fry electronics its a type of radiation that gets emitted after a nuclear blast.

Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Roachor on November 22, 2012, 02:22:55 am
EMP is an electromagnetic field that can fry electronics its a type of radiation that gets emitted after a nuclear blast.

Yes I know that, I've just never heard of emp causing harm to biological entities.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Fat Man on November 22, 2012, 02:55:25 am
Yes I know that, I've just never heard of emp causing harm to biological entities.

I think what marko was trying to say that the radiation can penetrate metal and would cook a person alive from trapping in the heat, than opposed to a guy who is outside of the tank would probably still get radiated but wouldn't die as quick. Kind of stupid if you ask me inside the tank or outside going to die anyways. Guy outside tank may not die right away but would probably die of other health problems.

But anyways while on the subject, I read somewhere taking potassium iodide will help with the damaging affects of radiation.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Marko on November 22, 2012, 06:03:09 pm
I read that 20 years ago in a science magazine handed to me by my marine corps college room mate, so i don't have a link lol.

The article was not necessarily about heat. It had to do with deadly rays produced as EMP waves pass through steel. The waves outside are not exactly healthy, but the rays produced inside the tank are deadly. Hence they were showing how the guys inside a tank, though they might expect to be better protected, would be more impacted by EMP. The whole article was about EMP.
Title: Re: Rural Civil Defense TV
Post by: Horatio on November 23, 2012, 11:42:49 am
They don't get generated by passing through steel, they bounce inside from walls thus increasing the exposure of the crew to microwave radiation, while the guys outside get exposed to it just once.
The tank crew get cooked.