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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Roachor on October 03, 2012, 09:00:52 pm
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Just look at vietnam. Viet cong (dudes in pyjamas) using stealth and deadly hth combat defeated the arrogant, better equipped americans (pvp apes). So yeah, stealth and tactics has its place in combat.
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Are you saying jungle tactics work just as well in a desolate, post apocalyptic desert?
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Melee was way cooler when u needed armor and some kind of fist weapon/Super Sledge.
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Are you saying jungle tactics work just as well in a desolate, post apocalyptic desert?
Im saying that guerrilla tactics will allow you to overcome more powerful enemies, most combat is in urban areas anyways. California isn't all desert buddy.
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Just look at vietnam. Viet cong (dudes in pyjamas) using stealth and deadly hth combat defeated the arrogant, better equipped americans (pvp apes). So yeah, stealth and tactics has its place in combat.
Dude you really should stop watching some kinds of films and should get back into reallity
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Dude you really should stop watching some kinds of films and should get back into reallity
Oh are you from an alternate universe where the americans won?
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Oh are you from an alternate universe where the americans won?
No, but they had much lower losses.
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Lol I can't recall the viet cong fighting with their fists
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Apparently the viet cong were all lvl 27 monks.
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Welcome to jungle..
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I think you really need to understand vietnam before you make the stupid assumption the big bad super power USA lost to vietnamese farmers.
The U.S. also had a higher kill ratio, the Americans killed 10 vietcong to every 1 American soldier. Also the war ended not because "they won" but becuase it had very unpopular support amongst the American people so the politicians decided to leave or "pull out". Vietnam was a strange war it was not a war to take terroritory, the Americans got into that war becuase an American base got bombed which was an act of war, and we were originally just there to support the south vietnamese becuase they were going to get overthrown by communist north vietnamese which were killing anybody including woman and children in south vietnam.
So your logic is false and somehow I think this is an arguement so you can keep playing your blue suit trolls without farming and crafting powerfist.
But anyways glad this stupid cold war crap and communist fear is over. Now we can all play fonline together.
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bluesuits have high casualties but we wear you down till you leave, also we pop out of underground tunnels
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bluesuits have high casualties but we wear you down till you leave, also we pop out of underground tunnels
Very nice anology.
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roacher stop trying to justify your reasons for being a troll and why your alt trolls should not be changed. you know they are OP for bluesuits and they need to change. get over it.
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I agree, Melee/Unarmed was way more fun the previous way. Now it may be fun, but it just ruins the game, remove this crap ffs.
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GP > realism
HH/Kamikaze/jinxed is fun.
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GP > realism
HH/Kamikaze/jinxed is fun.
I think its too much, AC = no damage or only 10-20 damage when moving, and with jinixed causes weapons drops, weapons to blow up, and -ap from critical misses. In your face = cannot be one hexed it seems to miss every shot not just 1/2 the time as stated. And then there is a knock down every punch. The only way to kill is if they are standing completely still, and by the time they are standing completely still they are going to knock down your big gunner over and over until you are dead. This is 1v1 that is, if you are playing in group then of course the heavy hander is going to get killed.
I mean really if you think about if you do a 10vs10 fight, 10 fully geared average PvP characters, without 300% skill which is 99% of pvp builds, 10 blue suits with no gear can kill 10 fully geared characters and not get killed. I know the game isn't played this way most of the PvP community prefers to fight with fully geared characters vs other full geared characters but still. The least they can do is make it where you risk something such as a power fist.
I think that is fair, it requires an extra step like farming around san francisco or crafting like its suppose to be because all the full geared characters have to spend way more time to get their top noche stuff than some guy who punched molerats for 20 hours and then runs around and annoys people.
How is it fair that some guy who spent weeks if not months to find the blue prints, spent hours farming to be defeated by some guy who is next to damn near impossible to kill that goes in with no gear, no super stimpacks, no guns armors just nothing? Hell at least back in good old days the blue suits would at least use crappy small guns, and it actually took skill to kill somebody with unarmed/melee.
Roacher I was really mad and fought the same way when they nerfed stealing, they are just going to say tubad deal with it and the rest are just going to troll your angry post and complaints until all your teeth are grinded down to your gums. Then it boils down to, should I quit this game or continue playing and adjust to the changes?
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dont you see he's trolling?
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Roachor, if you poo on your mega powerfist, you'll be able to inflict diseases too.
Sorry couldnt resist.
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HH, AC+jinxed will be nerfed (hopefully even sneak will require gear) and threads like this with "pseudo-realism" arguments are not gonna change that.
I was wearing blue pyjamas for 30% of my entire life and I can say from my own experience that their camo is over-rated.
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You better prepare for the era when your former AC immortals will suffer, Roachor. And in case Heavy handed will be nerfed or better, removed, i wish you to stop your play :>
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You better prepare for the era when your former AC immortals will suffer, Roachor. And in case Heavy handed will be nerfed or better, removed, i wish you to stop your play :>
hahaha these builds weren't viable before and once they get nerfed it will just narrow your options, idgaf I'll just use whatever build is most effective. Your whining will eventually nerf everything out of existence until the game is "balanced" where apes are untouchables murdering bluesuits on sight like every other season. AC to be honest is crap already, its barely useful at 220. HH is only good 1v1 or against npcs, its more for farming than anything else. If you guys had your way rock would always win in rock paper scissor too, you think that by having gear you should be able to buy victory.
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hahaha these builds weren't viable before and once they get nerfed it will just narrow your options, idgaf I'll just use whatever build is most effective. Your whining will eventually nerf everything out of existence until the game is "balanced" where apes are untouchables murdering bluesuits on sight like every other season.
Wasteland is harsh, blue suits are supposed to be murdered or die quick because they are gearless and not suppose to have better defense than a guy wearing combat armor.
AC to be honest is crap already, its barely useful at 220. HH is only good 1v1 or against npcs, its more for farming than anything else. If you guys had your way rock would always win in rock paper scissor too, you think that by having gear you should be able to buy victory.
RPGs have always been about having the best gear to be the most effective. You don't go fight the dragon with level 1 noob gear it is contrary to all RPG logic.
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RPGs have always been about having the best gear to be the most effective. You don't go fight the dragon with level 1 noob gear it is contrary to all RPG logic.
Not really true Role playing was about immersion and choices... Btw in many role playing games it was possible to stick to lower level gears till the end and still defeat stronger enemies. Well anyway it doesn't really matters as dev said Heavy Handed and AC will change so no need to fuss about it anymore in my opinion from either side.
Also even without heavy handed unarmed is a good skill it won't be less viable. (Almost won around the beginning against a big gunner using a shovel only died only cause he reloged to another char)
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Not really true Role playing was about immersion and choices... Btw in many role playing games it was possible to stick to lower level gears till the end and still defeat stronger enemies. Well anyway it doesn't really matters as dev said Heavy Handed and AC will change so no need to fuss about it anymore in my opinion from either side.
Also even without heavy handed unarmed is a good skill it won't be less viable. (Almost won around the beginning against a big gunner using a shovel only died only cause he reloged to another char)
Maybe in newer games it is that way majority of RPG's I played over my life time shitty gear = makes the game more difficult. But this isn't a game with level 1 rags and level 9999999999999999999999 orge plate mail made out of the bones of elven virgins. Its the point where no gear what so ever can defeat somebody with gear. From my experience playing MMOs RPGS MMORPG RPGMMOFPSWTFBBQSUV games that gear is very important. I mean sure there are games that had unarmed classes, and RPGs where certian classes would get bonuses from not wearing armor. Each game is differnt, but you are right there isn't any point in argueing about it since they announce they would nerf it next update soon.
And yes roleplaying games are about choices and making a character to suite your playstyle or what you want to roleplay as, but this isn't really a roleplaying issue it is more a PvP issue. The reason why people are complaing is because they go in with best gear and then lose it to some guy that has an empty inventory.
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Fat Man needs to buy his victories because he lacks skill
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This is a PvE issue just as much as a PvP one. As it is, it's still very hard to farm high value encounters e.g. press gang and unity/bos patrols. With a 24level HtH using power fists I still get killed 1/4 times (albeit I am not the best player as I only play this casually- but still its not easy). We are also not talking about level 1 chars; we are talking about fully leveled HTH chars. The build is barely viable for solo PvE right now (and team PvE is non-existent in this mod so there is little choice but to go solo). Devs should focus on fixing game breaking problems i.e. multi logging/proxy using- also not fun risking ones gear against a player that is going to log in 15 chars against your one char.
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GP > realism
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Are you saying jungle tactics work just as well in a desolate, post apocalyptic desert?
Just dress yourself with desert spider pajamas and no one will notice you.
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Roachor, if you poo on your mega powerfist, you'll be able to inflict diseases too.
Sorry couldnt resist.
Pungi Knuckles?
Ahh... yeah, and the US had about 60k KIA, and about 300k WIA... while the VC/NVA was around, oh a million KIA.
Their AC trolls got nerfed too, man.
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Pungi Knuckles?
Ahh... yeah, and the US had about 60k KIA, and about 300k WIA... while the VC/NVA was around, oh a million KIA.
Their AC trolls got nerfed too, man.
And america was all "zomg we lost expensive gear to naked bluesuits?" /ragequit
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He's lost it he's comparing real life wars to blue suit trolls.
Insulting vetnam veterans isn't going to change the fact that they are going to change the mechanics of heavy handed.
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And america was all "zomg we lost expensive gear to naked bluesuits?" /ragequit
nah they said hmm we got merc wm, lets use or wm arty on them.
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nah they said hmm we got merc wm, lets use or wm arty on them.
Actually it was more like small gun sneakers with assault rifles vs big gunners and merc leaders ;d
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US had vertibirds.
NVA/VC had fast relog and infiltrators and sneaks.
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US had vertibirds.
NVA/VC had fast relog and infiltrators and sneaks.
They also retreated to world map alot.
If you don't get reference there was treaty agreement with cambondia (or some other country think it was cambondia) where the U.S. was not allowed to engage the vietcong in their boarders. Basically the U.S. knew where they were and could have killed them easily but had peace agreement or some treaty agreement not to go into that country. And the vietcong knew this and always retreated to this country.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8
But i sense shitload butthurt and ragekid fighting over something very dumb :)
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I still think the bluesuits nowadaways wear ninja suits.
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They also retreated to world map alot.
If you don't get reference there was treaty agreement with cambondia (or some other country think it was cambondia) where the U.S. was not allowed to engage the vietcong in their boarders. Basically the U.S. knew where they were and could have killed them easily but had peace agreement or some treaty agreement not to go into that country. And the vietcong knew this and always retreated to this country.
and the us fought in Cambodia illegally anyways
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and the us fought in Cambodia illegally anyways
Honestly what is your issue with the United States? I think you are jelly that buttermilk syrup is way better than maple syrup.
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Honestly what is your issue with the United States? I think you are jelly that buttermilk syrup is way better than maple syrup.
First off buttermilk is for poor people, secondly it has nothing to do with me not liking america. It has to do with using a military example that you chose to believe ended differently because of your susceptibility to propaganda. I bet you think they won in afghanistan too.
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First off buttermilk is for poor people, secondly it has nothing to do with me not liking america. It has to do with using a military example that you chose to believe ended differently because of your susceptibility to propaganda. I bet you think they won in afghanistan too.
So you are telling me that a person who lives in their own country doesn't know their history better than somebody who doesn't?
Do you not know that our evil brainwashed by propaganda American citizens during the time of vietnam war were protesting it and this war had like no approval rating which had a big infuence on withdrawling from this war? But go ahead continue with the bull shit and the childish remarks about this war. The Americans who fought in this war had no choice in the matter, they were drafted and came back home got spat on and trashed and nobody showed any respect for them when they got back home. Some how I think you think this is funny to make fun of people who died in this conflict. War is not something to be makeing jokes about.
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But i sense shitload butthurt and ragekid fighting over something very dumb :)
Perteks at his best
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So you are telling me that a person who lives in their own country doesn't know their history better than somebody who doesn't?
Do you not know that our evil brainwashed by propaganda American citizens during the time of vietnam war were protesting it and this war had like no approval rating which had a big infuence on withdrawling from this war? But go ahead continue with the bull shit and the childish remarks about this war. The Americans who fought in this war had no choice in the matter, they were drafted and came back home got spat on and trashed and nobody showed any respect for them when they got back home. Some how I think you think this is funny to make fun of people who died in this conflict. War is not something to be makeing jokes about.
American education is painfully one sided when it comes to their own history, it's about as truthful as a soviet history class. Yes it was a war america had no place in, yes they treated their own soldiers like shit when they came home. Doesn't change the fact that men in pyjamas with no resources beat an enemy that had them insanely outgunned using stealth and fastrelog.
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It is over, pyjamas not so powerful.
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men in pyjamas with no resources beat an enemy that had them insanely outgunned using stealth and fastrelog.
Now for the critical rocket snipers, since VC won't be able to get close anymore.
Just a RL, a few (preferably AP) rockets, and many clones, especially logged out in strategic spots in TC area.
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American education is painfully one sided when it comes to their own history, it's about as truthful as a soviet history class. Yes it was a war america had no place in, yes they treated their own soldiers like shit when they came home. Doesn't change the fact that men in pyjamas with no resources beat an enemy that had them insanely outgunned using stealth and fastrelog.
At least USA and Soviet Union has their legecies of being super powers in their prime. Its called nationlism when you think your country is the best, seems Canadian nationalism is no differnt.
And no shit, you don't think the citizens didn't realize they had no business there and which is why there was so much protest during the time?
Its not so much making 2238 anologies about wars. Its more so your attitude about Americans. You come onto our mumble and started talking all this shit about how America sucks and how everything in canada is so much better.
I respect anybody from any country. And you may not realize it but international games like this is a step foward because we have people from all over the world who plays this game. Sure we may be trolling jackasses at times and doesn't seem like we get along but still. I was an American who played in a russian faction last session and nobody felt the desire to say stupid shit about eachother's countries and their wars.
The cold war ended in 1991, I was only 4 years old, and for us who are in this age group to grow up and be able to communicate with eachother and play video games, communicate and having fun is probably what our parents and grandparents wanted for us when they end these sort of conflicts. The world is better off when we don't live in fear because of our differences, our nationalities, our political systems. And that is generally what Americans believen and why they fight in the wars they do becuase we think there is a better way of life for people than being forced to work at gun point, or being brutally killed and tortured because you have differnt political idealogies, which essentially starts alot of wars in the first place.
And if somehow you think that the world is better off where people brutally kill people because of their differences and if that is what they teach in canada, which seems to be your opinion, canada is better at everything including the educational system. If this is what they teach people in canda then that is total shit.
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That was a good post, Fat Man. :)
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Roachor just got pwnt, I await his reply that will either be angry or take 2 hours for him to formulate ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OisvnSaHbRU
I think all that animals can count as bluesuits
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I was going to say, that i liked the Fat Man's idea of intercultural friendship, but Surf was first to reply, so that would look as if i parrot everything he says.
I like it anyways.
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I think all that animals can count as bluesuits
so this is the source
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Haha America is a hostile christian empire bent on gutting the rest of the planet to keep its own excessive consumption going. Nationalism is just another name for arbitrary claims of superiority like racism or religious fundamentalism. Canada isn't perfect but we don't go around bombing civilians and propping up dictators and assassinating people(a practice that continues to this day). You're a nation of obese mindless cattle that isn't even aware your leaders have sold you out to multinationals decades ago, go wave your tiny flag and eat your deep friend battered bacon wedges while you crumble into ruin. You live in a fantasy of world peace that only is possible because you don't read the news.
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Operation Medusa, Canadian led offensive in Afghanistan, did indeed involve the bombing of civilians.
Battle of Panjwaii, another Canadian lead operation which did indeed involve civilians being bombed
Let us also not forget Canada's treatment of POW's
Yes, the U.S. has caused quite significant civilian casualties but then again they could be much worse if they decided to simply saturate the area with 500lb unguided bombs that cost less than 400$ compared to the much more often used guided bombs that cost 50x+ that amount. Also you can indeed say Americans are obese as around 1/3 are but then again 1/4 of Canadians are.
Facts are fun Roachor please read more than just the news. ;D
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Can't we all just agree that USA is #1!
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USA is shit , China and the UdssR will be tha new world order
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If there were a variant of flesh eating fungus that would target fat and convert it to mycotoxin...
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Operation Medusa, Canadian led offensive in Afghanistan, did indeed involve the bombing of civilians.
Battle of Panjwaii, another Canadian lead operation which did indeed involve civilians being bombed
Let us also not forget Canada's treatment of POW's
Yes, the U.S. has caused quite significant civilian casualties but then again they could be much worse if they decided to simply saturate the area with 500lb unguided bombs that cost less than 400$ compared to the much more often used guided bombs that cost 50x+ that amount. Also you can indeed say Americans are obese as around 1/3 are but then again 1/4 of Canadians are.
Facts are fun Roachor please read more than just the news. ;D
Lol canada is in afghanistan because the US randomly decided they were to blame for 9/11, it's not like it was our war. Maybe western canada is skewing the demographics because you go to america EVERYONE is fat, people here are generally fit.
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Okay time for this guy to post on forum agin- someone(i didnt bother to memorize his name)on the first page writed: California isnt all desert... Well sir,after the nukes whole world is desert so...umm,lost my point
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Haha America is a hostile christian empire bent on gutting the rest of the planet to keep its own excessive consumption going. Nationalism is just another name for arbitrary claims of superiority like racism or religious fundamentalism. Canada isn't perfect but we don't go around bombing civilians and propping up dictators and assassinating people(a practice that continues to this day). You're a nation of obese mindless cattle that isn't even aware your leaders have sold you out to multinationals decades ago, go wave your tiny flag and eat your deep friend battered bacon wedges while you crumble into ruin. You live in a fantasy of world peace that only is possible because you don't read the news.
Don't you belong on WWE or something with talk like that? ;)
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Don't you belong on WWE or something with talk like that? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FRW7PU65jE
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Roachor, imho you are having a very wrong attitude. I don't like many things the USA has done and does around the world, but that must not make you troll and fight against random people from that country. Same applies to any other country, USA is what you were talking about here). I think my country for example has historically lacked sovereignty and that some European nations first and then the USA had a major influence on it. But that doesn't mean I'll go around accusing every European and American person I "meet" in this game, for example.
I usually notice players from other parts have really different views of the world but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy talking to and playing with people from any country, and I agree with Fat Man in that this small thing -us playing together- was something the people who has died in all wars fought wanted for the future (not sure about that specific "it's what America fights for" part, but still...).
You can love your country but that should never turn into hate against others. You might think you have reasons to hate like that, but such a shallow and silly hate never puts an end to those reasons, instead it makes you move in circles around them and having a bad time.