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Title: new GMs
Post by: FrankenStone on September 24, 2012, 01:03:55 am
please devs make soe more gms , i havent seen an gm since january or so we need help ingame so please let some active players become one ...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Alexandrite on September 24, 2012, 01:22:25 am
dude, jovankaB and a lot of others have been on more than just January, and its a no if you are asking for GM position
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: ronon dex on September 24, 2012, 01:23:21 am
please devs make soe more gms , i havent seen an gm since january or so we need help ingame so please let some active players become one ...
consent. few GM's in the game.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: chocolate_chip_cookies on September 24, 2012, 01:26:34 am
Jovanka isn't GM anymore. What others? I haven't seen anyone else. And he isn't asking for GM position, not alot of people would want to be GM, you can't enjoy the game anymore. I would not want to be GM.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: falloutdude on September 24, 2012, 01:47:33 am
we need more active gms, there are very few active gms and the actives ones come on once a week for a couple hours.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: racoon on September 24, 2012, 10:31:56 am
what is your problem? they are active all time. just ask via irc. rusty and Voland are on irc all time. they will reply and help you.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Killy on September 24, 2012, 12:36:59 pm
dude, jovankaB and a lot of others have been on more than just January, and its a no if you are asking for GM position

troll detected

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what is your problem? they are active all time. just ask via irc. rusty and Voland are on irc all time. they will reply and help you.
since when does he need IRC ? isnt in game help request?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 24, 2012, 02:29:52 pm
what is your problem? they are active all time. just ask via irc. rusty and Voland are on irc all time. they will reply and help you.
Yeah, they in IRC but not ingame, and some people don't even know what IRC is, so they requesthelp and says no one online

And I never seen nexxos in-game as GM, he's always talking to someone in IRC and does nothing ingame
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: HertogJan on September 24, 2012, 02:35:06 pm
I don't know about Rusty and Voland, but I've seen both Jovanka and nexxos in-game. IIRC both helped me out with an issue in-game this session.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: racoon on September 24, 2012, 05:59:17 pm
this is what gm's are doing in game

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2zipyio.jpg)
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: DeputyDope on September 24, 2012, 06:34:44 pm
yeah and maybe tell the GMs to stop spawning items for their friends.

**cough**jovanka**cough**
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: chocolate_chip_cookies on September 24, 2012, 09:08:15 pm
Make Kitty GM!
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: dmking on September 24, 2012, 09:10:36 pm
Make Kitty GM!
Get the fuck out of here, Kitty begs for items all the time.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: chocolate_chip_cookies on September 24, 2012, 09:12:56 pm
So?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Grizzan on September 24, 2012, 09:13:41 pm
chill, chocolate likes suck too so it doesnt matter that kitty do that
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: DeputyDope on September 24, 2012, 09:18:45 pm
Make Kitty GM!

lol she can't even speak proper english and you want her to be a GM? lick someone else's arse please. jovanka's spawning items for her anyway.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: chocolate_chip_cookies on September 24, 2012, 09:28:14 pm
U mad ;)
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Horatio on September 24, 2012, 09:52:11 pm
Being a GM sucks.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: TKs-KaBoom on September 24, 2012, 10:13:38 pm
Yes Kitty for GM!  I would like to see her go MAD with power!  Think of awesome random skin giveaways, eggs falling from the skys, teddy bears coming alive with hugstorm attacks!  Roving bands of sentient fire breathing sweet hearted geckos, flower field gardens in ncr, spontaneous pajamma pillow fights.  Ah the pandemonium would be most refreshing!



KITTY FOR GM!!!!
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: OG on September 24, 2012, 10:19:01 pm
If you want to be a GM then you must have the skill to make up things on the fly and act as if you know what is going on at all time.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Horatio on September 24, 2012, 10:34:17 pm
You've been a GM or do just trying to look smart?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: OG on September 24, 2012, 10:44:59 pm
Have been here for more than 4 years have talked with gms a lot.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Pryszczu666 on September 24, 2012, 11:14:39 pm
There is no better man suited for the job than me, so make haste while I'll await forward instructions !
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: FrankenStone on September 25, 2012, 02:22:42 am
lolo all i see here are trollposts and its sad thats its true that some players get favors from some gms like kitty and then they tell him to dont talk about it but they do rofl , where is gorlak by the way wasnt he announcing that he will be back i havent seen him ingame though ...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Alexandrite on September 25, 2012, 02:46:02 am
troll detected

Dude, I wasn't trolling...

JovankaB, Voland, and some other GMs were on after January... (duh)

And most people who say "We need more of this and this, and more people in charge of those..." most likely are asking about being a GM or something like that... nd yes, I know he wasn't asking that, but it sounds like it...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: FrankenStone on September 25, 2012, 03:05:02 am
i know that they are online at irc but what about ingame gms that was the question , i would luv to see some new events something fresh that we can see that something is going on ...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: dmking on September 25, 2012, 03:53:46 am
I said this once but it was deleted hehe, Kitty would be a terrible GM all she does is beg for items.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 25, 2012, 04:26:04 am
I said this once but it was deleted hehe, Kitty would be a terrible GM all she does is beg for items.
She would be perfect GM (http://fodev.net/forum/Smileys/classic/grin.gif)
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Roachor on September 25, 2012, 04:53:01 am
Being GM sounds like a nightmare, imagine to have to play this game. It's like purgatory filled with whining souls.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Alexandrite on September 25, 2012, 05:21:29 am
Being GM sounds like a nightmare, imagine to have to play this game. It's like purgatory filled with whining souls.

There's always that ban key those GMs have that we don't...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Dequ on September 25, 2012, 10:28:46 am
I vote for new GMs

New GMs might make game more interesting and more enjoyable.
GMs for not just to request help, but GM that will make some adventures or recording and making videos, observing, doing random events, spawning random number of enemies to some towns, Hiding some stuffs in lockers, help poor souls they face in their journeys... etc. Thats what i hope more.

I know that organizing event is pain in the ass and really need lots of investment and time.

Current GMs will help you if u request some help via irc and thats works well.
People who dont use irc/forum dont even know how to ask help and they will piss off.

GMs actions might bring more people toward Fonline
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on September 25, 2012, 01:14:08 pm
i can be a gm.
vote for me for ex garlic gm and i can offer you free hq stuff for best begger, supprises for tb pvp (spawning agresive muties with m60 and vindicators), new features in tc pvp (blocking whole party in closed hexes trap :D and other troll festival stuff
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Dequ on September 25, 2012, 02:34:10 pm
i can be a gm.
vote for me for ex garlic gm and i can offer you free hq stuff for best begger, supprises for tb pvp (spawning agresive muties with m60 and vindicators), new features in tc pvp (blocking whole party in closed hexes trap :D and other troll festival stuff

U serios bro?!?. Thats not what i meant, You would ruin the whole game and make everyone pretty angry.  I meant that GM should use their abilities in good sense, not to cause any harassment for anyone.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jan0s1k on September 25, 2012, 02:58:46 pm
i can be a gm.

Yeah sure  ::)
You made my day  ;D
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Tomowolf on September 25, 2012, 02:58:59 pm
U serios bro?!?. Thats not what i meant, You would ruin the whole game and make everyone pretty angry.  I meant that GM should use their abilities in good sense, not to cause any harassment for anyone.
You seriously didn't get the irony of his post :P.

GM job is a shit job, everytime you do something with comman,d you got accused for spawning items for x or y, and whoel bunch of shitthreads at forums, you wanna that? And you can't just ban like that because "they wrote at me", or you'll get same as above.
Hope 2238 Dev team finds some proper person for a GM (best would be someone from MLP).
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Fat Man on September 25, 2012, 03:26:45 pm
I vote for new GM that isn't friends or affiliated with any of the PvP factions, and doesn't give a shit about Pk or anti-pk. No unfair advantages.

I am one to believe if GM spawns a power armor for their friend, then everybody in the server deserves a set of power armor or no power armor spawns for anybody.

No favorites, if one is to be favored then everybody in the game must be favored, or no nobody favored at all.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Nexxos on September 25, 2012, 03:59:14 pm
I am currently on a long vacation, so totally not thinking of this game during that time. But wait, why am I writing this bullshit anyways? Anyways, see ya all in some weeks, you know. I\ll promise to bring a ban wave with me when I come back.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: racoon on September 25, 2012, 04:12:20 pm
everytime you do something with comman,d you got accused for spawning items for x or y, and whoel bunch of shitthreads at forums, you wanna that?

i begged tons of items from gm's and noone cares and cries on forums. myth busted
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: DeputyDope on September 25, 2012, 04:58:46 pm
GM job is a shit job, everytime you do something with comman,d you got accused for spawning items for x or y, and whoel bunch of shitthreads at forums, you wanna that?

because they DO spawn items for x and y? open your eyes and stop bullshitting people on the forum. you and kitty and probably many others are living proofs that this bullshit is happening. and you know  damn well that it's not necessarily about spawning 1 or 2 rare/useless items for a tent/base.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Tomowolf on September 25, 2012, 05:18:02 pm
because they DO spawn items for x and y? open your eyes and stop bullshitting people on the forum. you and kitty and probably many others are living proofs that this bullshit is happening. and you know  damn well that it's not necessarily about spawning 1 or 2 rare/useless items for a tent/base.
I don't care if its happening or not, so it doesn't care about that very much, those are just in-game items, not real life lol.

For me they can spawn unlimited amount of items to their friends, I do not care, but I at least want them to work in game also for something, not just banning people around for dualogging to give brahmin...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on September 25, 2012, 05:35:13 pm
Vote for me and i can guarantee tons of rage topic on irc and forum. I will set one new rule. Every 2h on serv you will Have to spend at least 15min in north towns or pack of muties will raid ur base.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Wipe on September 25, 2012, 06:15:10 pm
There is no better man suited for the job than me, so make haste while I'll await forward instructions !
Here you go (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,22678.msg188126.html#msg188126).
Second thing, linked by one of our GMs months ago, about this "job", can be found here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibcSNIOk9F4).

Make Kitty GM!
Who the hell is Kitty?

i know that they are online at irc but what about ingame gms that was the question
It will be suprising, but GMs are playing on regular char(s) too, which can't see +reqs. And that's why many stay on IRC to fill that gap.

GM that isn't friends or affiliated with any of the PvP factions
Are we still talking about 2238, which is also called factions mod?


Anyway, to put some sense in this thread, people we asked not so long ago said "no", and currently there is no other candidates.


As a sidenote, Killy posting "troll detected" makes me laugh :]
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: DeputyDope on September 25, 2012, 06:25:10 pm
Who the hell is Kitty?

the one who jovanka spawns/was spawning items for.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: racoon on September 25, 2012, 07:32:40 pm

Who the hell is Kitty?


the one who devs and gm's are "roleplaying" fire gecko gang instead of help players (in gm case) or do something with server (eg: change 1 line of code to limit ac)
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: DeputyDope on September 25, 2012, 08:05:07 pm
I don't care if its happening or not, so it doesn't care about that very much, those are just in-game items, not real life lol.

For me they can spawn unlimited amount of items to their friends, I do not care, but I at least want them to work in game also for something, not just banning people around for dualogging to give brahmin...

 it's easy NOT to care when you get shit handed to you on a plate. bugger off ya fuckin' hypocrite.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Tomowolf on September 25, 2012, 08:07:51 pm
it's easy NOT to care when you get shit handed to you on a plate. bugger off ya fuckin' hypocrite.

Explain me your problem kind sire.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: T-888 on September 25, 2012, 08:19:08 pm
I rather see someone changing one line in some code and be thankful for that, but not just few permanent bans given that serve no real purpose in the grand scheme of things, rules are just arbitrary restrictions that aren't enforced daily here in this game and can't be taken seriously because some developer got bored and decided to give some permanent bans out of blue, thanks for nothing for the countless time.

There is always the option to replace "cheating" and discourage it by smart features, we wouldn't need more game masters if developers of this game actually worked upon existing issues. Like who wants to be a game master? It's utterly pointless in every imaginable way. Player stuck? Might be a smart idea to implement some command for the player to deal with that himself. Gangs use multiple logs and sneakers all over the map? Implement something a bit more easy to replace those sneakers than level up them as a necessity, so others can have a similar advantage without breaking the rules nobody takes seriously anyway if others still use those sneakers ... http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,25356.msg213632.html#msg213632

Basic common sense, we don't need more game masters, we need more people who works on the server itself. More game masters is like adding more duct tape to an already fixed mechanical device that is holding with duct tape, temporary fixes the problem, but doesn't really solve it. More smart features, less need for duct tape.

Did it broke again? Currently only more duct tape is applied.

Dual log partially allowed to what it was in previous session, now duct tape is used a lot less because there is less need for it.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: avv on September 25, 2012, 08:32:20 pm
I rather see someone changing one line in some code and be thankful for that, but not just few permanent bans given that serve no real purpose in the grand scheme of things, rules are just arbitrary restrictions that aren't enforced daily here in this game and can't be taken seriously because some developer got bored and decided to give some permanent bans out of blue, thanks for nothing for the countless time.

It might seem unjust for you but those who don't cheat see that someone still cares about them. Banning cheaters is respectful action towards those who don't cheat.

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Implement something a bit more easy to replace those sneakers than level up them as a necessity, so others can have a similar advantage without breaking the rules nobody takes seriously anyway if others still use those sneakers ... http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,25356.msg213632.html#msg213632

It's generally recognized that sneaks are used as dual logs so feature needs to replace the cheat. It would be all the same if we all had 56 sight and could see through the walls.
It's just a bit hard to suggest something big because we have no clue how busy devs are working on something else.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: DeputyDope on September 25, 2012, 08:35:29 pm
Explain me your problem kind sire.

ok.
1. i have problem with cheaters.
2. i have problem with GMs that give items to certain people, thus another form of cheating.

hard to get, innit?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: T-888 on September 25, 2012, 08:38:41 pm
It might seem unjust for you but those who don't cheat see that someone still cares about them. Banning cheaters is respectful action towards those who don't cheat.

That sure works towards the quality of the server and solves the issue why the ban was delivered in the first place.

So you are saying game masters do it to look cool in a game and be respectful in other eyes?

More or less i don't see it as unjust, just pointless and irrational.

It's generally recognized that sneaks are used as dual logs so feature needs to replace the cheat. It would be all the same if we all had 56 sight and could see through the walls.

No, it wouldn't be the same, it would have affect on other values of the game.

It's just a bit hard to suggest something big because we have no clue how busy devs are working on something else.

Busy working on ... are you trolling me or something?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: chocolate_chip_cookies on September 25, 2012, 09:26:53 pm
T8, having more GMs would be nice because of events and other fun things that refresh the game when it's boring, not just about cheating
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on September 25, 2012, 10:38:27 pm
so vote for me
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Bulldog on September 25, 2012, 11:03:53 pm
We really need more GMs. Have been trying the in-game command for a few months now, no reply, although sometimes someone got my requests but never answered. Yeah-yeah, I know "use the IRC" blah-blah.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: FrankenStone on September 26, 2012, 12:12:13 am


Anyway, to put some sense in this thread, people we asked not so long ago said "no", and currently there is no other candidates.


As a sidenote, Killy posting "troll detected" makes me laugh :]

lol who have u asked by the way ? i dont think that u have asked players that have their own hex at ncr lmfao :P say some names , man even players who coud it wouldnt accept it thats harsh not wasteland man , like i have said befor it would be better to see more events and shit like this like others did said it here more presence = more fun ...
but at this whole thread i finally recognize that more than half of fonline players are really trolls imo...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Wipe on September 26, 2012, 01:00:51 am
lol who have u asked by the way ?
It doesn't matter who - they answered already, i see no reason to make them answer again, this time to players. Until they want to, but then again i see no reason to confirm if given person really was asked or not.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on September 26, 2012, 02:32:30 am
Wipe when wipe or update?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Eternauta on September 26, 2012, 03:43:49 am
I saw avv and 3x8 arguing and thought this would be another popcorn-worth epic war but it wasn't so bad. Anyway, just here to add "+1" to something avv said:
It might seem unjust for you but those who don't cheat see that someone still cares about them. Banning cheaters is respectful action towards those who don't cheat.

And I also agree with this:
T8, having more GMs would be nice because of events and other fun things that refresh the game when it's boring, not just about cheating

I personally think the game is not perfect but I can have a lot of fun from it. Having more GMs and therefore more events and even some weird/funny but not abuse-related situations from time to time would be awesome for me. Dear hardcore PvP players, I am sorry to read everyday about how much the game sucks for you. Imho you are part of it with your classic "the game forces you to..." - this is an online game and "the game" here means the game features + the rest of players. So as said, I think you're all part of what you complain about.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Alexandrite on September 26, 2012, 03:50:44 am
Wipe when wipe or update?

"Soon"
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Horatio on September 26, 2012, 03:37:18 pm
I suggest people to think thoroughly a event concept, catch a GM in IRC and ask him to help out with material by demonstrating the plan.

A nice feature will be for GMs to grant the event organisator temporarily powers to throw scenery around on defined map without possibility to leave until end of event. (special items in containers), so the organisator can actually help a GM to decorate the event.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on September 26, 2012, 05:51:49 pm
And what if u are banned on irc?;)
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Surf on September 26, 2012, 06:00:11 pm
Then it is probably your problem having behaved stupid in the past. Besides, there is always the /query command to directly message a GM.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on September 26, 2012, 06:30:50 pm
I can be a gm. Give me ur gm client and i will be best what happen to 2238 since 2238 (i5 comercial logo)
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Surf on September 26, 2012, 06:40:10 pm
How about you stop spamming, filling this thread with even more inane posts and use proper grammar as per the forum rules?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on September 26, 2012, 06:51:10 pm
Spamming in spam/trash topic. Come on...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Horatio on September 26, 2012, 11:19:07 pm
Get a proxy and dont be a jackass anymore.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Fat Man on September 27, 2012, 05:39:56 am
Here you go (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,22678.msg188126.html#msg188126).
Are we still talking about 2238, which is also called factions mod?

I am saying that GMs shouldn't favor any PvP factions to give an advantage over another by spawning them items, putting stuff in their bases, or giving them builds.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Roachor on September 27, 2012, 06:05:08 am
I am saying that GMs shouldn't favor any PvP factions to give an advantage over another by spawning them items, putting stuff in their bases, or giving them builds.

lol like factions need builds from gms who don't pvp
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Bulldog on September 27, 2012, 06:06:44 am
I am saying that GMs shouldn't favor any PvP factions to give an advantage over another by spawning them items, putting stuff in their bases, or giving them builds.


Especially the builds! Every time I go to the world-map a GM or two are pushing me into making the build they want to see. They are  threatening me with raining frogs and lag-spikes, so I have to take their builds  :-[  (Cause I hate it when it's raining frogs!)
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Fat Man on September 27, 2012, 06:11:38 am
I heard rumor tttla had characters that GM's modified, but it was rumor and they used to be dominate faction last wipe so who knows. It was rumor.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Eternauta on September 27, 2012, 06:36:25 am
I heard a rumor according to which a very corrupt player was made GM just for one day because devs liked the faction he belonged to. This GM was able to reset the server back to last session but only for the guys in his gang. He later spawned 9999 APA's for every alt of every member, as well as a robot NPC that gave you 5mm AP through dialogue. I don't know, it's what I heard.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Fat Man on September 27, 2012, 06:45:08 am
I heard a rumor according to which a very corrupt player was made GM just for one day because devs liked the faction he belonged to. This GM was able to reset the server back to last session but only for the guys in his gang. He later spawned 9999 APA's for every alt of every member, as well as a robot NPC that gave you 5mm AP through dialogue. I don't know, it's what I heard.

^ my point we don't need GMs that do this even if this is just trolling as usual.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Eternauta on September 27, 2012, 06:50:34 am
Was it not a bit too obvious that I was posting a parody of such "rumors" like the one you mentioned?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Fat Man on September 27, 2012, 07:02:39 am
Was it not a bit too obvious that I was posting a parody of such "rumors" like the one you mentioned?

No I thought you were speaking truth ::), was about as funny as recieving news that your mother died of cancer.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Redivivus on September 27, 2012, 07:02:56 am
Was it not a bit too obvious that I was posting a parody of such "rumors" like the one you mentioned?
'Many a true word is spoken in jest', Eternauta.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Horatio on September 27, 2012, 07:45:04 am
Only autistic people cant, physically seen, to recognise sarcasm. What's your excuse, Fat man?
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Fat Man on September 27, 2012, 07:49:39 am
Only autistic people cant, physically seen, to recognise sarcasm. What's your excuse, Fat man?

It seems you are autistic and can't physically see and recognise my sarcasm :D LOL...
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Horatio on September 27, 2012, 06:04:07 pm
If autistic meant spend time in front of computer browsing 2238 forums, invest most of your free time in discussions with trolls and GRIND then probably yes. Yet, i'm not the worst case of this. ;D
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Wind_Drift on September 29, 2012, 05:18:03 am
I heard a rumor according to which a very corrupt player was made GM just for one day because devs liked the faction he belonged to. This GM was able to reset the server back to last session but only for the guys in his gang. He later spawned 9999 APA's for every alt of every member, as well as a robot NPC that gave you 5mm AP through dialogue. I don't know, it's what I heard.

What's funny, is that later someone will probably repeat this as if it's truth, and say "A GM said this happened."

If the idiots actually knew they were stupid, it would be much easier to ignore them.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: The Lost Children on October 07, 2012, 09:12:35 pm
The game is shit, and the GMs are just super-players who have the ability to spawn itemz.
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Fettel on October 07, 2012, 10:54:57 pm
Vote Racoon plox
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: Crab_people on October 08, 2012, 12:40:48 am
i dont want racoon to be a gm
Title: Re: new GMs
Post by: jacky. on October 08, 2012, 02:05:34 am
This topic is usless