fodev.net

Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: flame2014 on September 20, 2012, 08:03:23 pm

Title: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 20, 2012, 08:03:23 pm
I would like to ask if this is also included in "Wasteland is harsh"
(http://s11.postimage.org/3w1aleswf/screen_2012_09_20_19_53_47.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3w1aleswf/)
 and if so, what can i do about it?
Beacuse i thinks this is abusing of features (or maybe not beacuse you can enter in power armor and kill em all?)
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: JovankaB on September 20, 2012, 08:17:24 pm
I would like to ask if this is also included in "Wasteland is harsh"
(http://s11.postimage.org/3w1aleswf/screen_2012_09_20_19_53_47.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3w1aleswf/)
 and if so, what can i do about it?
Beacuse i thinks this is abusing of features (or maybe not beacuse you can enter in power armor and kill em all?)

You can bring a couple dozen slaves with frag/plasma and auto-attack nades and clean it.
Also explosives might be help, some of the mercs are near spawn.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: T-888 on September 20, 2012, 08:21:01 pm
Doable, need some friends, some strategy and good builds.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 20, 2012, 08:22:22 pm
So nothing can be done because i have 1 low lvl build and one crafter.

Thx for reply
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: JovankaB on September 20, 2012, 08:25:24 pm
So nothing can be done beacuse i have 1 low lvl build and one crafter.

Thx for reply

There is 5 locations with advanced workbenches, if that's why you want to go there.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 20, 2012, 08:47:26 pm
There is 5 locations with advanced workbenches, if that's why you want to go there.
Very simple
SAD - inaccessible
Glow - no chance to get to Aworkbench
Klamath toxic caws - same as Glow
Gun runnes - have not tried yet, but need reputation and without combat skill not sure how to reach
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Roachor on September 20, 2012, 08:56:18 pm
Level a sneaker with science and you can use SAD without problems
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Tomowolf on September 20, 2012, 09:02:01 pm
SAD - inaccessible
Thats the easiest way to craft adv. workbench stuff, but if you can't... Sorry, but then I need to call you noob.

Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 20, 2012, 09:04:58 pm
Thats the easiest way to craft adv. workbench stuff, but if you can't... Sorry, but then I need to call you noob.


Thanks for nice advice :) maybe when i will have more than few hours per week i will create another build :)

PS: i was hoping that its possible to play f2238 without 10 different builds
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Roachor on September 20, 2012, 09:06:53 pm
Fonline is a massive time sink, as a mostly solo player I've dumped hundreds of hours into lvling alts to be self sufficient
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: chocolate_chip_cookies on September 20, 2012, 09:11:34 pm
It doesn't matter if you're solo player or not. In gang you go level up alts yourself as well
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Roachor on September 20, 2012, 09:41:03 pm
yeah but multiple people stockpiling items and making builds vs one obviously is easier
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: racoon on September 20, 2012, 10:05:00 pm
lol, all those traps started since i made first with deputy dope. since then they do these traps all time.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: T-888 on September 20, 2012, 10:59:32 pm
Fonline is a massive time sink, as a mostly solo player I've dumped hundreds of hours into lvling alts to be self sufficient

Hundreds of hours? I've wasted like 25-30 roughly by my estimations on pure leveling, in comparison to other games out there that is not a lot, including some useless melee build, deleted, obsolete level capped build for nickname etc. etc.

I would believe you wasted hundreds of hours farming equipment, unless you are leveling with some BB gun on molerats to be self sufficient despite wasting very much time.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Roachor on September 20, 2012, 11:04:22 pm
Hundreds of hours? I've wasted like 25-30 roughly by my estimations on pure leveling, in comparison to other games out there that is not a lot, including some useless melee build, deleted, obsolete level capped build for nickname etc. etc.

I would believe you wasted hundreds of hours farming equipment, unless you are leveling with some BB gun on molerats to be self sufficient despite wasting very much time.

I get stoned and level builds, you can never have enough slavers. I've been playing a lot longer than you it's obvious that I'd have logged more hours.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Giftless on September 21, 2012, 01:16:09 am
Very simple
SAD - inaccessible
Glow - no chance to get to Aworkbench
Klamath toxic caws - same as Glow
Gun runnes - have not tried yet, but need reputation and without combat skill not sure how to reach

Gunrunners is easy, all you need really is two bases and vehicle (to deliver the Gunrunners package and maintain your rep).
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: TKs-KaBoom on September 21, 2012, 01:27:54 am
Very simple
SAD - inaccessible
Glow - no chance to get to Aworkbench
Klamath toxic caws - same as Glow
Gun runnes - have not tried yet, but need reputation and without combat skill not sure how to reach
WEak argurment, please no more NERFS to accomodate panty hose wearing noobs that want fonline to be a walk in candyland.  Adv Workbenches being in out of the spot places is one of the GOoD things done this session, as it forces some interaction between players to actally leave the confines of the saftey of there bases.  Risk should be the compliment to reward.  In this case the risk is encountering blood thirsty murderous bandits in contrast of being able to craft cool new goodies, I don't see a problem with that.   

Sad - inaccessible?  Really?  I never have any trouble getting in there, I must be super kool guy, true story...
Glow - who goes to the Glow to craft?
Toxic caves - Yeah geckos are super hard to kill :/ 
Gunn runners - Uh yeah the quest is the whole idea to get your rep up to basically a safe adv workbench for you, sounds like heaven for you right?  Oh, your too lazy to do it.... got it, sry, well I erm, I don't know what to tell you then.....  Oh you only have a few hours a week to play but expect to have the game accomodate your needs, maybe play World of Warcraft?  They accomodate for everyone.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: falloutdude on September 21, 2012, 02:39:23 am
toxic cave is no where as bad as glow, all you need to do is take a bger or a heavy handed troll and kill the robots and a couple geckos. ohhh noes i might be a little bit poisoned. (take antidote)
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Swinglinered on September 21, 2012, 02:55:05 am
Gunrunners is easy, all you need really is two bases and vehicle (to deliver the Gunrunners package and maintain your rep).

The payments seem enough to just use the trains- NCR/Boneyard.
Back and forth.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: TrashCan on September 21, 2012, 03:23:07 am
As far as I agree that the military base shouldn't be a place for a loner to use an advance workbench I still understand the flame's point. I have seen this guy camping there constantly for a long time (probably on multilog doing something else while the mercs autokill everyone appearing in the spawning point), and I wouldn't call this situation as encouraging interaction beetween players, on the contrary, less people go there beacuse its almost immposible to get on the 4th floor even with fully armed group, because elevator allows only 1 person at a time and after you get there you immediately get shot by 30+ mercs. I don't believe he does it for loot, because most people sends scouts before coming in with the actual crafting resources and I don't see how this is a matter of "harshness" because he clearly exploits the bottleneck created by a mechanics that were designed with a single player game in mind for a pure purpouse of griefing. Funny enough simmilar case (resolved by Jovanka) happened few days ago in the Gecko Mine, where everyone were spawning in the location already dead due to mercs killing them even before they were able to fully load a game.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Swinglinered on September 21, 2012, 05:49:51 am
I cleared a batch of plasma-nade slaves at Mariposa a few days ago- are they back again?
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Bulldog on September 21, 2012, 06:33:26 am
I believe it is a good idea for such people like the guy with 30 mercs to camp the grid of the forth floor. When the crap with mercs started, I went to Gun Runners with mentats every time I went for a ride to get the rep. Now, due to some wierd "?bug?" I can't craft there too, the guard doesn't let me thrue. I am gonna use Siera or caves, and encourage other loners to do the same, and not whine about "no-freebies" at Mariposa. It's pretty easy already, with fast relog and all the crap.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: JovankaB on September 21, 2012, 07:41:35 am
Funny enough simmilar case (resolved by Jovanka) happened few days ago in the Gecko Mine

Just a little clarification, I didn't resolve anything there. I just was around on my character when it happened,
that's all. All credits for cleaning the Gecko mine should go to the brave and nice warriors from the SoT gang.
Crafters are lucky that there are good people out there on the wasteland.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Horatio on September 21, 2012, 08:38:07 am
The answer "level more alts" can solve every gameplay problem in 2238.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Swinglinered on September 21, 2012, 02:29:34 pm
Rep expires with Gunrunners- have to get it back.

And it is only "safe".
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: avv on September 21, 2012, 04:23:07 pm
WEak argurment, please no more NERFS to accomodate panty hose wearing noobs that want fonline to be a walk in candyland.  Adv Workbenches being in out of the spot places is one of the GOoD things done this session, as it forces some interaction between players to actally leave the confines of the saftey of there bases.

Interaction eh?
Crafting is farming and farming needs to be safe so that it's profitable. If there is a high risk of meeting dangerous players in crafting area, a good farmer stays away and chooses alternative farming method. Players repel players. Nobody goes do the slavery quest or craft at advanced workbench if there are dangerous campers there. Nobody is in such hurry that he needs something right now. He can wait hours, even days. That should outlast even the most patient camper. Best way to defeat enemy and achieve what you want is actually not to fight.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: TKs-KaBoom on September 21, 2012, 04:55:55 pm
Interaction eh?
Crafting is farming and farming needs to be safe so that it's profitable. If there is a high risk of meeting dangerous players in crafting area, a good farmer stays away and chooses alternative farming method. Players repel players. Nobody goes do the slavery quest or craft at advanced workbench if there are dangerous campers there. Nobody is in such hurry that he needs something right now. He can wait hours, even days. That should outlast even the most patient camper. Best way to defeat enemy and achieve what you want is actually not to fight.

Uh, why does it need to be safe?  oh so it can be profitable, that should be 2238's mission statement.....  lets see you have 4 countem adv workbenches and you need to go to that one?  You don't like glow, don't like geckos, don't like doing gunn runner quest and are afraid of turrets......  You must have free access to Maripossa, be able to +requesthelp and have a GM led escort to guide you to level 4 so that you may make your PvP gear so you can .......  uh, oh ok......  Maybe you do need adv workbenches at home so you can craft in your pajammas and furry bunny slippers.  Yeah this game is sooo hard and unfair.  The amount of time and energy avoiding confrontation in this game makes me sick.  "NO it doesn't im uber super duper ape, I goes ape shit!  just not when I'm on my crafter with glasses please don't hit me!", thats just sorry and oh so sad......I would think you of all people would have an appreciation for having in the back of your head that there might be a jackass with a minigun around the next corner, just not when your doing TC?  What you don't have 10 alts over WM and your whole team of buddies so this end of the rapestick isn't so fun for you?


Crafting is farming and farming needs to be safe so that it's profitable.

Yeah!


Please free Villian from Jail and remove this mod approval
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: avv on September 21, 2012, 05:07:57 pm
Crafting is farming and farming needs to be safe so that it's profitable.

I never said it needs to be. Only said how good farmers do things: they avoid trouble.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: TKs-KaBoom on September 21, 2012, 05:28:03 pm
I never said it needs to be. Only said how good farmers do things: they avoid trouble.

What?  Are you running for the Republican National Convention?  It's like two posts up....
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Roachor on September 21, 2012, 08:41:19 pm
Yeah because if you spend the time to get mats to make tier 2 gear you totally want to lose it to a couple of sneakers to promote "interaction"
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 21, 2012, 08:44:54 pm
As far as i read  there are many good ideas how to overcome / bypass my trouble (and maybe others).
I have also read several post from kids with a lot of complexes and a lot of spare time (right TKs-KaBoom) but im sure strong pills will help...
But what i was trying to pinpoint was another bug / inconsistency in game which is annoying (at least for me) and is misused by lame players which think that "I AM GOD beacuse i can kill you" ... (really kiddish)
For those who think i should play Wow, i have only 1 answer: I used to play but it's not fun. But also its not fun to play game full of bugs which are exploited by kids ... (which at least I think is abusing game principle)

And for flaming kids i have only one thingy. Say what you want, you will be always laughed on no matter how much will you try. Get a real life and maybe once you will understand...
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: TKs-KaBoom on September 21, 2012, 08:53:59 pm
Yeah because if you spend the time to get mats to make tier 2 gear you totally want to lose it to a couple of sneakers to promote "interaction"

Then you really don't deserve to have that tier 2 gear now do you?  Only crappy farmed gear for you!
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Tomowolf on September 21, 2012, 08:54:49 pm
I see someone find a wrong game, really, FOnline have enough whiners and noobs, if you fidn the game too hard for your, just quit out, or find some friends to play, (hurr if you have any, if you talk so big about real life).
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Horatio on September 21, 2012, 09:15:47 pm
How about playing TLAmk2?
I heard that leveling and getting stuff is a piece of cake compared to 2238. And it's translated in English to 90%.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 21, 2012, 10:07:31 pm
I see someone find a wrong game, really, FOnline have enough whiners and noobs, if you fidn the game too hard for your, just quit out, or find some friends to play, (hurr if you have any, if you talk so big about real life).

Seems you found yourself in my post but i dont mind people like you because they are needed too.. (but dunno for what)
And i have never said this game hard. This game is very simple, its just im pointing on something what i think is abusing / not wanted / expected (and if you or anybody else still dont understand then I am trully sorry about you disability, but your mum / dad should have learnt you to understand written text)

How about playing TLAmk2?
I heard that leveling and getting stuff is a piece of cake compared to 2238. And it's translated in English to 90%.

No, thanks. I really enjoy 2238 and its system (and also i dont understand russian :) )
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Tomowolf on September 21, 2012, 10:28:03 pm
You really don't get this is wasteland not pussyland, if you can't stand fact you got raped, by some slaves/bluesuits/anything thats not failure of devs, but just of you.
Afaik there are no exploits that hurt butt of newbies, but it seems that some features you call by using "exploit" word so that is wrong, just learn that.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: avv on September 21, 2012, 10:28:05 pm
I see someone find a wrong game, really, FOnline have enough whiners and noobs, if you fidn the game too hard for your, just quit out, or find some friends to play, (hurr if you have any, if you talk so big about real life).

I happen to know that you don't play the game at the moment. So in my opinion you don't have the standing to tell others to quit if you're not personally dealing with the ingame hardships they are dealing with.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Tomowolf on September 21, 2012, 10:32:15 pm
I happen to know that you don't play the game at the moment. So in my opinion you don't have the standing to tell others to quit if you're not personally dealing with the ingame hardships they are dealing with.
I play,  and meaning that one does not show in NCR, does not mean that one ain't playing, keep that in mind :P.
I know about those uber pr0 mega slaves camps, I've even reported that bug with hoarding slaves, and Devs said it will be repaired after update, but you see...
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 21, 2012, 10:42:40 pm
You really don't get this is wasteland not pussyland, if you can't stand fact you got raped, by some slaves/bluesuits/anything thats not failure of devs, but just of you.
Afaik there are no exploits that hurt butt of newbies, but it seems that some features you call by using "exploit" word so that is wrong, just learn that.
As far i mentioned, i have 2 points to understand what i had written.
1. Please read my last post about understanding written text.
2. If you dont understand it go to step 1.

PS: If you ever did anything in IT you must know this
(http://liferaycms.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/bug-feature.jpg)
and if you dont understand image above, use my simple guide to understand written text.

Best regards
Flame :)
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Bulldog on September 22, 2012, 04:39:19 am
TS, if you don't like mariposa, you can always craft your GG stuff at some other places. IMHO Mariposa is and has always been a great location, if you want to take the 4th floor into your private property, get a gang, a couple of slavers and 3-5 pvp apes would easily clear out the floor of that crap. What the people in this thread have been trying to tell you is that it is unreasonable for a loner to be able to get GG stuff without high chances of death, if to get it at all... And still, you have some other options, one of them is even pretty safe (Runners).

PS I wouldn't go calling people "kids with plenty of time to play" unless you know them. Most of these "kids" have jobs, gf's and other crap, and prefer spending some of their free-time playing old-school games and doing weird crap such as raping tents and killing blue-suits.  ::)
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 22, 2012, 11:20:23 am
TS, if you don't like mariposa, you can always craft your GG stuff at some other places. IMHO Mariposa is and has always been a great location, if you want to take the 4th floor into your private property, get a gang, a couple of slavers and 3-5 pvp apes would easily clear out the floor of that crap. What the people in this thread have been trying to tell you is that it is unreasonable for a loner to be able to get GG stuff without high chances of death, if to get it at all... And still, you have some other options, one of them is even pretty safe (Runners).
Yes, those are answers i marked as usefull

PS I wouldn't go calling people "kids with plenty of time to play" unless you know them. Most of these "kids" have jobs, gf's and other crap, and prefer spending some of their free-time playing old-school games and doing weird crap such as raping tents and killing blue-suits.  ::)

I dont call them kids because of weird habits of killing random people.
I was this offensive because calling somebody lame or noob (even if i dont care) is at my point of view childish and acceptable for kid (this kind of answer i sometimes hear from my friend's 13 years old son) and has no meaning in resolving any problem or giving advice.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: racoon on September 22, 2012, 11:59:25 am
How about playing TLAmk2?
I heard that leveling and getting stuff is a piece of cake compared to 2238. And it's translated in English to 90%.

haha good joke :D
yes it is translated into english in 90%, but only starting location. good luck playing further
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Wire on September 22, 2012, 03:17:57 pm
Quote
(http://s11.postimage.org/3w1aleswf/screen_2012_09_20_19_53_47.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/3w1aleswf/)
It was stated before, it is stated by me again.
Do not do this.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: Dark Angel on September 22, 2012, 04:12:57 pm
What wrong with this? Why did u banned IP and characters? It's not so hard to solve this.
What point of rules say something about it, did anyone warning them before ban?
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: manero on September 22, 2012, 04:22:02 pm
Bad things happen to bad people  ::)
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on September 22, 2012, 04:28:37 pm
(http://liferaycms.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/bug-feature.jpg)
Best regards
Flame :)
Feature reminds me of slender man, and I don't get why people put there name after they said stuff, it's right there when you post.

How about playing TLAmk2?
I heard that leveling and getting stuff is a piece of cake compared to 2238. And it's translated in English to 90%.
TLAmk2 is hard to get stuff and WM is weird, you see all locations, and for some reason, all of them have raider buggies in them
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: McLooter on September 22, 2012, 04:36:27 pm
haha good joke :D
yes it is translated into english in 90%, but only starting location. good luck playing further
Incorrect, I have played the whole test session for my gang. About 80%-90% is translated.
Most town dialog is translated, quests and stuff.
Only simple things are not translated, like some perks and traits. Then the ~lut box, which is temporary.
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: flame2014 on September 22, 2012, 05:34:40 pm
Feature reminds me of slender man, and I don't get why people put there name after they said stuff, it's right there when you post.
heh :) sometimes i forget that forum is not email and I am too lazy to remove it,
in this case it was meant to add irony / satire to post, seems didnt work :D
Title: Re: Meriposa
Post by: -DANTE- on September 22, 2012, 07:20:38 pm
Maybe this ghoul was the last slave, this session the mariposa level 4? hehe

(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/120922/9707541402_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

The underground is always possible to find interesting things

(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/120922/12125103423_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)