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Title: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: foonlinecurious on August 22, 2012, 06:44:34 pm
Please make it so there are more upgrades for more of the weapons,
especially weapons like the 9mm pistol, mauser, shot gun, these weapons are pretty useless and not used later in the game, why not make it so you can do a heavy upgrade on a pistol, and increase its damage?
The crafting recipes can be extensive, lets say for example you want to upgrade 9mm pistol to either do more damage, or make it have a 10 round burst ( using more ammo but doing significantly more damage so it is useful, even at level 24)

it could cost 10 metal 2 HQ metal 4 HQ Alloy, microchips  etc etc.

and why not put extended clip upgrade on any weapon? just have high craft requirements.

I think this will
1: Promote diversity as there are more viable weapons in later levels
2: Give you more things to craft
3: Make the game more interesting, and realistic.


P.S. if this was already posted somewhere i apologize, I didn't see it anywhere.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: S.T.A.L.K.E.R on August 22, 2012, 06:51:49 pm
9mm pistol? Is that a new gun? and the mauser and shotgun are good for killing moles for low lvl chars
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Malice Song on August 22, 2012, 09:25:43 pm
At this point I can't say whether I'm for or against this, but one thing I'd like to point out here is that you have to keep possible applications in mind when trying to determine usefulness and the guns you listed are actually far from useless. Especially the Mauser is one of the more useful weapons in the game, mostly due to its utter abundance, both in the gun itself and in its ammo, and the inherent accurate perk compensating a bit for low skill, which I think Stalker already hinted at. From an outsider's perspective the Mauser actually seems way more useful than a Gauss Pistol, no contest. Of course, afaik the latter is the unsurpassed (or at the very least top tier) choice for SG in PvP, but unless you want to blow its ammo and condition on rats, the Mauser seems to be a more prudent choice for the majority of engagements.

I'm not suggesting everyone should switch to Mausers, coz they pwn everything else, far from it, but maybe you're already so comfortable in acquiring your main gear, that the inherent qualities of the cheaper weapons (easier to obtain/maintain for one) aren't apparent to you.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Haraldx on August 22, 2012, 10:22:07 pm
Low-tech weapons are called low-tech for a reason. And you are surprised about low-tech weapons not used in later game... Makes sense? Totally not!
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Cyber Jesus on August 22, 2012, 10:54:27 pm
there should be an upgrade to make m60 shoot all rounds at once
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Roachor on August 22, 2012, 11:15:09 pm
I want a laser sight on my sledgehammer
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Brujah on August 23, 2012, 05:22:13 am
I want to upgrade my rock.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Haraldx on August 23, 2012, 12:40:00 pm
I want a bayonet on my combat knife, a scope on my crowbar and a 9mm mauser with an underbarrel LSW.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: jossi on August 23, 2012, 01:04:25 pm
I want to upgrade LSW with Rubber Doll... fuck yeah
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Cyber Jesus on August 23, 2012, 01:07:35 pm
I want to be able to burst with rocket launcher.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Andr3aZ on August 23, 2012, 01:12:35 pm
Quote from: Brujah on August 23, 2012, 05:22:13 am
I want to upgrade my rock.

Almost misread that one
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: manero on August 23, 2012, 01:30:22 pm
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on August 23, 2012, 01:07:35 pm
I want to be able to burst with rocket launcher.

It doesn't work like that... Make rocket eyeshot possible  ;D
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: T-888 on August 23, 2012, 01:54:25 pm
I want power armor in the game.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Cyber Jesus on August 23, 2012, 02:24:00 pm
I want fat man in the game.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Brujah on August 23, 2012, 04:07:55 pm
Rocks need buff, everything else is too OP.


We need Rocks MKII for TC.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Alexandrite on August 23, 2012, 06:13:53 pm
Orange flares need a buff too, to make people on fire when you throw it at them...
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: naossano on August 24, 2012, 01:49:03 pm
Quote from: Brujah on August 23, 2012, 05:22:13 am
I want to upgrade my rock.
This topic is great.
When could we find the explosive spear, the gold nuggets burster or the boomerang grenade ?

More seriously, it would be great to have poisoned or radiated weapons.
Or a weapon that deliver as much damage as the ennemy has AC... ::)
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Johnnybravo on August 24, 2012, 01:57:20 pm
What's wrong with explosive spear?
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: naossano on August 24, 2012, 04:04:57 pm
You can't pick it up after explosion. :'(
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Gimper on August 24, 2012, 06:26:07 pm
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on August 23, 2012, 02:24:00 pm
I want fat man in the game.
I want a fat woman in game!!!
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Jotisz on August 25, 2012, 09:41:24 am
On a serious note it would be nice to see more type of weapons for certain types of ammos.
9 mm, needler ammo, 14 mm (22 cal is similar since its used in hunting rifle and its scoped version only) they are used by only one weapon. It would be good if there would be 2 type of weaponry for every ammunition. Maybe a rifle version for all these pistols with same stats.


2 min of Gimping yeah its quite shitty but maybe something similar for a needler rifle.
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5590/riflei.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/riflei.png/)
I should have modeled something its quite an obvious copy paste rifle...
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Brujah on August 25, 2012, 10:19:14 am
Will I be able to distress with my Rock MKII?
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Redivivus on August 25, 2012, 11:08:43 am
Quote from: Jotisz on August 25, 2012, 09:41:24 am
On a serious note it would be nice to see more type of weapons for certain types of ammos.
9 mm, needler ammo, 14 mm (22 cal is similar since its used in hunting rifle and its scoped version only) they are used by only one weapon. It would be good if there would be 2 type of weaponry for every ammunition. Maybe a rifle version for all these pistols with same stats.

Yeah, make 14 mm bursting gun! :b
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Jotisz on August 25, 2012, 11:29:55 am
I though for exact copies same stats just rifle version I think that would take less time then to tweak around with damages for burst attacks and would give chance to have more type of weapons that could use up those ammos.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Redivivus on August 25, 2012, 12:22:41 pm
Quote from: Jotisz on August 25, 2012, 11:29:55 am
I though for exact copies same stats just rifle version I think that would take less time then to tweak around with damages for burst attacks and would give chance to have more type of weapons that could use up those ammos.

Don't you think it's a bit pointless just to add gun that has the same stats as existing, but requiring more ST and 2 hands for using it?
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Horatio on August 25, 2012, 12:30:04 pm
Speaking of Mausers, i heard that version with a stock was quite useful as rifle replacement. In game it would probably eat a AP more, but increase its range.

(http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/KucerMauserStk.jpg)

Also, any ideas for low-tech BG snipers? Because Bozar is as rare weapon unsuitable for PvP, but it can be buffed.(with a clip and some damage.)
As a low-tech craftable solution, i'd like to suggest PTRD-41 or its postapoc barn replica. (rechambered rifle with longer barrel)
(http://ois.org.ua/club/guns/aaa-2003/ptrd41_01-506-150.jpg)

Look at this bugger. So simplicistic yet so deadly against armor.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: T-888 on August 25, 2012, 01:30:41 pm
Well they could make bozar not rare, i don't see a problem with that. It deals higher amount of damage than sniper rifle by consuming 1 more AP, it is a balanced weapon already.

Okay, it has larger magazine/ammo capacity, but higher requirements.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Johnnybravo on August 25, 2012, 06:20:53 pm
I think at this point it's already pretty flawed. I mean there shouldn't be too many similar weapons. And more importantly every type of weapon should do different roles, otherwise you get into the position where you need to alt just to exchange stats and sprites only a bit. And then it's ridiculous that expert marksman is not going to hit a barn with just a bit higher caliber...

As for cleanup I'd suggest removing some weapons instead or making their roles different. Stuff like thompson don't even need to exists (not that it's completely ridiculous to have that kind of weapon there, but it also does very little to actual gameplay as well).
In fact the suggestion is offering something really more interesting, if you could have multiple mutually exclusive upgrades to single weapon, you could make base items matter more and to some degree create fun way to get stuff.
Giving some example: 10mm SMG could replace role of grease gun (again totally retarded joke by F2 devs) by being more or less basic, but then you could just with basic cheap, but not free crafting (or farming) turn it into something better. And with some high end stuff make it ultimate one (instead of P90).

It also should work just as fine for some already existing items - 223 rifle - scoped rifle or 223 pistol. 2 upgrades from one.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Haraldx on August 25, 2012, 07:48:07 pm
Quote from: Horatio on August 25, 2012, 12:30:04 pm
Mausers... rifle stock... increase range...
Makes sense? Totally not. A stock is used to make the recoil go downward your whole body, so you can control the weapon easier. However, I heard there was a mod once made to the mauser pistols so they could fire full auto and , when this mod was added, occasionally special SMG-like stocks were added to the pistol. However, now as I think about it, I can't remember wether it was for the mauser pistols or the walther pistols.
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Jotisz on September 06, 2012, 07:54:37 pm
Some digging
Yeah there was an smg version of mauser pistols it was a Brazilian made weapon that were used by police forces. I had a little time and though about making a few of these well they are quite a work of copy paste anyway I have even though of some stats, although I think devs shouldn't implement anything like this till they feel the other weapons work as they should I mean making new weapons would highly make things a bit unbalanced.
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6899/weaponss.png)
Title: Re: More Weapons upgrades, make those useless weapons useful again
Post by: Swinglinered on September 08, 2012, 07:15:24 am
(https://i.imgur.com/QlICb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4t1Le.jpg)

With high str, maybe make it 1-handed. (In sawed-off form.)