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I'm gonna make a char for bp-hunting. I'm thinking SG-Burster with aprox 200 lockpic. But i really need to know if luck is factored in when the game "rols" for a locker in the encounter and how it affects the content of said container!?
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Good question. I have hunted many BP over 4 months and I am convinced of certain things:
1) Yes Luck matters though i don't know fully how it factors in
2) Contents of footlockers is determined when map loads, not when container is opened
3) The Treasure Hunter perk is to be avoided now, until the next update. Players with TH are finding far less caps in containers than players without TH, which is backwards from intended
4) Lockpick skill 300 is extreme overkill and some guys say 150+picks is fine
5) Some lockers just don't open, no matter what
6) Even with LK 10 + AG 10 + PE 10, Lockpick 300 + lockpicks, some lockers open on 2nd (or 3rd) try
7) Sometimes it seems like BP act like resources as we go for 2 hours without a single find, while other times we find the exact same blueprint twice in a row within 10 minutes. This has happened too many times for it to be mere coincidence, giving rise to the "blueprint come in waves" theory.
8) Location on the world map doesn't seem to be a factor but do not take that from anyone - prove it for yourself
9) Trapped lockers don't seem to be any more consistently valuable than non-trapped lockers
10) There is no support group if you get addicted to hunting blueprints, nor a chewing gum to help you break the habit so be careful out there
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wow nevery seen such a helpfull comment thx ;D
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Good question. I have hunted many BP over 4 months and I am convinced of certain things:
1) Yes Luck matters though i don't know fully how it factors in
2) Contents of footlockers is determined when map loads, not when container is opened
3) The Treasure Hunter perk is to be avoided now, until the next update. Players with TH are finding far less caps in containers than players without TH, which is backwards from intended
4) Lockpick skill 300 is extreme overkill and some guys say 150+picks is fine
5) Some lockers just don't open, no matter what
6) Even with LK 10 + AG 10 + PE 10, Lockpick 300 + lockpicks, some lockers open on 2nd (or 3rd) try
7) Sometimes it seems like BP act like resources as we go for 2 hours without a single find, while other times we find the exact same blueprint twice in a row within 10 minutes. This has happened too many times for it to be mere coincidence, giving rise to the "blueprint come in waves" theory.
8) Location on the world map doesn't seem to be a factor but do not take that from anyone - prove it for yourself
9) Trapped lockers don't seem to be any more consistently valuable than non-trapped lockers
10) There is no support group if you get addicted to hunting blueprints, nor a chewing gum to help you break the habit so be careful out there
Thanks!
So what do you guys think about something like this?
Single char BP-finder
Stats:
ST - 05
PE - 06
EN - 06
CH - 01
IN - 06
AG - 08
LK - 08
Traits:
?
?
Tag skills:
-Small Guns (181% at lvl 24)
-Lockpick (206% at lvl 24)
-Outdoorsman (100% at lvl 24)
Perks:
LVL3 – Pack Rat/More Criticals/Other (?)
LVL6 - Toughness
LVL9 - Even Tougher
LVL12 - Lifegiver
LVL15 - Actionboy
LVL18 - Bonus Rate of Fire (Two bursts with grease gun)
LVL21 - Bonus Ranged Damage
LVL24 - Bonus Ranged Damage+/Other (?)
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Thanks!
So what do you guys think about something like this?
Single char BP-finder
Stats:
ST - 05
PE - 06
EN - 06
CH - 01
IN - 06
AG - 08
LK - 08
Traits:
?
?
Tag skills:
-Small Guns (181% at lvl 24)
-Lockpick (206% at lvl 24)
-Outdoorsman (100% at lvl 24)
Perks:
LVL3 – Pack Rat/More Criticals/Other (?)
LVL6 - Toughness
LVL9 - Even Tougher
LVL12 - Lifegiver
LVL15 - Actionboy
LVL18 - Bonus Rate of Fire (Two bursts with grease gun)
LVL21 - Bonus Ranged Damage
LVL24 - Bonus Ranged Damage+/Other (?)
If you're just going to be using grease gun or other SMGs I recommend dropping ST to 4, taking small frame and putting the two extra points into either agility or luck, pack rat will compensate for the lower CW.
I'd personally choose to sink those points into agility, since more AP is always better.
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I agree with Senrain about Agility. And ST 5 is way over the top for a small guns guy. My newest lockpicker has ST 1 actually, with Weapon Handling. Use Small Frame to get boost to Agility, plus your Action Boy to end with AP 11 or two Action Boys to end with AP 12 is even better.
Mine is 1.6.10.1.3.10.10 with Small Frame + Fast Metabolism
I tagged Small Guns, Lockpick and Doctor (so i can heal some leg cripples on the go)
This IN is rather low but i did not plan to end with LP skill as high as yours. The way i do builds now makes starting one out very tough, but i keep my eyes on the end goal: what does he need when he's done at level 24? A goals-oriented build is tougher to level but more handy afterwards.
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I would also like to add that you are better off dropping outdoorsman because if this char is to be used purely as a lockpicker then you want more encounters...not less. Better off tagging Traps to be able to at least deal with bear traps.
Bonus move is always nice as well, if you are hunting lockers in turn based.
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Stats:
ST - 04
PE - 06
EN - 06
CH - 01
IN - 06
AG - 10
LK - 08
Traits:
Small frame
Fast Metabolism
Tag skills:
-Small Guns
-Traps
-Lockpick
Perks:
LVL3 – Pack Rat
LVL6 - Toughness/Bonus move if blueprint hunting in TB
LVL9 - Even Tougher
LVL12 - Lifegiver
LVL15 - Actionboy
LVL18 - Actionboy
LVL21 - BroF
LVL24 - Bonus Ranged Damage+
This seems like the ideal build to use. 1 ST just seems to be far too low as you need decent CW to be able to carry anything. Though I haven't gone BP hunting much so I'm not sure how heavy the loot usually is.
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The reason i didn't go for less strenght and small frame is because i figured that it would be a lot of pve fighthing betwen the actuall BP-Findings and that i could rake in on some loot in the meantime without having to run back to camp as often. Bad strategy? I haven't gone strictly for BP's yet so i'm not familiar with the tactics.
Also. I don't really se the need for those two extra AP's from actionboy if i go for 10AG. I mean, they could be usefull. But i will still be able to doubleburst without them and they would "only" ad an opportunity to walk two hex or do a reaload every now and then. I'm thinking some extra damage or some lifegivers would be a better choise for this build? Or am i missing something?
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Heh, I like how urban legends about needing specific SPECIAL for a particular job spread :)
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Heh, I like how urban legends about needing specific SPECIAL for a particular job spread :)
You think that Luck has nothing to do with it?
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mil, you're thinking right. Your plan sounds good. I lean toward A-Boy for my own reasons and i find most people are friendly when i meet them hunting bp. Not all, but most.
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am i right in assuming that lockers only apear in encounters with enemies. Its frustrating to be have encounters with two arge enemy groups (mauraders and podwer gangers for exmeple) and to see a juciy chest lying just there. :(
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Oh yes that's a good one i forgot! The footlockers only appear in populated encounters. Thus due to the level of threat, some lockers might in deed be juicy, but inaccessible. As they say...hasteland is warsh.
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http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,23100.msg191739.html#msg191739
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,21998.msg182088.html#msg182088
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Tweaked it a bit
BP-Finder/"Glass canon"
Stats:
ST - 04
PE - 06 (7 with Cigarettes)
EN - 06
CH - 01
IN - 06
AG - 09 (10 with Nukacola)
LK - 08
Traits:
Chem Reliant
?
Tag skills:
-Small Guns (201% at lvl 24)
-Lockpick (199% at lvl 24)
-Traps (45% at lvl 24)
(ARE THERE ANY DIFERENCE BETWEEN 199 AND 200%? BREAKPOINTS OR SUCH?)
Perks:
LVL3 - Pack Rat
LVL6 - Toughness
LVL9 - Even Tougher
LVL12 - Bonus Ranged Damage
LVL15 - Bonus Ranged Damage+
LVL18 - Bonus Rate of Fire
LVL21 - More Ranged Damage
LVL24 - Lifegiver
And is there any way to really confirm if luck has any influence?
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As far as remember a locker on encounter is always visible no matter how many PE you have, so I would take 1 PE a add it to LK and INT.
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yeah, you can see it at any distance, assuming its not behind a wall
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luck absolutely does not matter
its good to increase chance of finding FCC in cars but that's it
lockpick 300 is not a overkill..when you are making locpicker,why not get max chance available..i have lp 200 and my team mate 300 and there has been numerous times i couldn't open chest,called him in and he did it( this happened while finding CA bp too)
treasure hunter is bugged,but not completely.if your sole purpose is to find BP,do take it.it will cost you some caps but chances of finding BPs ARE bigger
cheers
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luck absolutely does not matter
its good to increase chance of finding FCC in cars but that's it
lockpick 300 is not a overkill..when you are making locpicker,why not get max chance available..i have lp 200 and my team mate 300 and there has been numerous times i couldn't open chest,called him in and he did it( this happened while finding CA bp too)
treasure hunter is bugged,but not completely.if your sole purpose is to find BP,do take it.it will cost you some caps but chances of finding BPs ARE bigger
cheers
Can you provide any evidence to prove that luck does not factor into locker finding at all?
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Traits:
Chem Reliant
?
Tag skills:
-Small Guns (201% at lvl 24)
-Lockpick (199% at lvl 24)
-Traps (45% at lvl 24)
only 45% traps? You gonna need at least 125% to disable them all without triggering them
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In my opinion, you should drop small guns to a usable 120% (For leveling purposes only, as a BB gun is all you will need if you take a couple of crit perks) as you should not really consider fighting the critters in the encounters, it's inefficient (a much slower way to hunt BP) and the XP is barely worth it so stick to mutated mole rats to level and go hunting lockers unarmed with no armor.
Pile a lot more into Lockpick. It really doesn't make sense to put equal amounts into LP and SG if you want a chance to actually find a blueprint and also consider the skilled trait to get your Traps and Lockpick skills as high as possible.
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as you should not really consider fighting the critters in the encounters, it's inefficient (a much slower way to hunt BP)
? but you have to take them out first right before you can lockpick?
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? but you have to take them out first right before you can lockpick?
No, if you hunt in turn based just head straight for the locker, open it and leave.
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No, if you hunt in turn based just head straight for the locker, open it and leave.
tried that but didn't work
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(ARE THERE ANY DIFERENCE BETWEEN 199 AND 200%? BREAKPOINTS OR SUCH?)
yes. the thing is like this.
25,50,75,100,125,150,175,200,225,250,275,300
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tried that but didn't work
What do you mean it didn't work exactly? It's the only way I've ever hunted lockers. RT picking is way too risky, so walking straight towards in TB works best for me. It can be difficult, especially if you fail the first lockpick attempt and have all the raider/marauders closing in on you (Especially as my lockpicker is HP locked at 57hp!), but it definitely works.