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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Xisingr Will on May 06, 2012, 03:22:22 am
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Ok so I've seen a whole bunch of things about roleplay projects and roleplay fails and how roleplay does simply not work and is not a good idea in this game......but i love to roleplay and i think some actual roleplay players and me should try to make another one of those roleplay projects and see if we can do it. And if you disagree with my opinion don't just go sending me some troll messages just because you don't want another roleplay thing......just because you don't want to try this doesn't mean that some players don't....... I hope we could some how open another roleplay project like one of these, http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Roleplay , and i hope a few roleplay loving players will try and help.....thanks ;D
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We can always try to set up a new player driven community city somewhere in wasteland..
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You can roleplay just fine, but don't let it slow you down.
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We need to find a perfect place to start this out! :D
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Yea lets just tell it everybody here so people can come with nice swarm to kill us.
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Never seen the need for any kind of RP projects , other than it might be fun for some. I prefer player interaction in a different manner. Some might say it's a mindless pissing contest of " the best team " , but then again i don't understand what's the fun and point to pretend to be a ghoul or some caravan guard. There's no competition and let's say sense of sport , as well other qualities i desire.
There is one point for sure , anything that is public and connected with RP is just bad. Here , on this forum without any doubt.
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There's no competition and let's say sense of sport , as well other qualities i desire.
Not everyone is blood-&-action-thirsty competitor, even in this game.
There is one point for sure , anything that is public and connected with RP is just bad. Here , on this forum without any doubt.
True, announcing any activities that can be griefed or trolled is fail, because it will be griefed or trolled. That's why fun other than (more or less random) pew-pew have to be performed in small, closed groups.
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If you want to start a role play project try to keep it small (you can always grow it if it is succesful)
Find a small group of people, a large group will take much longer anyway, and organize them into a time and place. See how that goes first.
Simply throwing a group of people into a location and expecting amazing things to happen may not always work out so think of a scenario that will catalyze RP. Goals and direction will always be a good ice breaker.
Keeping it open has been a precurser for failure in the past so for a first attempt perhaps keep it closed. Outposts can make for nice closed RP communities.
Sneak characters can RP much more freely out in the 'open', but that requires a specific build for those involved not looking to attract hostile attention.
If you really want to keep it open to everyone then you will need manpower, firepower and constant vigilence in which case it will become more about PvP, It can still be fun of course but it will be more work. A lot more work.
From my experience the RP community here can be a very jaded bunch, and who can blame them, so if you want people to get behind you you'll need a good RP plan.
Of course, as stated already, postng it here can attract unwanted attention.
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RP in public places = PVP magnet , RP guys = bad at PVP = can't defend themselves properly and continue RP. I don't mean NCR , HUB etc. etc. , projects in those cities are impossible in my opinion and in some larger scale not only 2 or 3 guys pretending to be ghouls , yay.
That's my short conclusion of why most of the projects fail , i'm to lazy to write more.
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RP in public places = PVP magnet , RP guys = bad at PVP = can't defend themselves properly and continue RP. I don't mean NCR , HUB etc. etc. , projects in those cities are impossible in my opinion and in some larger scale not only 2 or 3 guys pretending to be ghouls , yay.
That's my short conclusion of why most of the projects fail , i'm to lazy to write more.
My point is that most successful and worthwhile RPs are small scale and relatively exclusive. chances are you have never seen one of these because you weren't meant to.
Also, I think RP players tend to get bored with PvP. It's not that they are unable to do it, it's just not an appealing playing style or it gets old fast. At least thats the way it is for me. PvP was fun for a while and then it got repetative.
anyway, everything you have to say about RP you have already said before... many times... and the fact that you don't get bored saying it and still follow every new RP thread makes me wonder how bored you too may be with 24/7 PvP
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It acutally adds entertainment value to the PvPers.
Imagine u are travelling to hub and u enc a player run caravan with a leader and 5 guards.
Better than any NPC enc.
When you think about it, this game isnt fallout at all. Its the RP players that treat this as though they where in the fallout universe.
For the rest its about having the best of everything and who can post the most in forum.
T-888 hav u ever enc 3 guys pretending to be ghouls or is that just ur take on RPers. We are all ghouls.
RPing is an art and needs a strong imagination.
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How people don't get bored of soccer , hockey and other sports ? :)
I have never been interested in RP , though i can imagine that the most successful ones are small scale , you don't have to tell me that. The reason for it is because nobody notices them , any griefer would gladly go and suicide fuck all your RP fun even if it's in the most darkest corner you can find , if he just was aware of that. I'm not talking about key points of the RP itself , but the ability to maintain it. I would call any RP successful if it's maintained for it's planned duration , in a controlled environment any RP is successful in my opinion , but in public places it's a different matter and i'm not saying it's impossible to do RP in BH ( now it's impossible , but in general ) , just that it takes more than just a good plan for the RP itself in order for it to be successful.
Also, I think RP players tend to get bored with PvP. It's not that they are unable to do it, it's just not an appealing playing style or it gets old fast.
It's not that their unable to , but how successful they are in comparison with other groups.
T-888 hav u ever enc 3 guys pretending to be ghouls or is that just ur take on RPers. We are all ghouls.
Believe it or not , but i have seen such players , in fact in a random encounter. ;D
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I have never been interested in RP
i'm amazed you even know what Fallout is then! Did you play at all before fonline?
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Its sad but it seems that roleplay is impossible-how you can roleplay in a game in wich before you write hi Youre dead? Trolling over dead body? Thats not RP... Well...back to Fallout 2 and 1
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I suggest mixing this thread with that other one (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,18604.0.html).
Never seen the need for any kind of RP projects , other than it might be fun for some.
I've personally never seen the need of TC, other than it might be fun for some.
I get bored of PvP and TC easily. My personal experience with it was waiting in Mumble while everyone was getting ready, then our team kills militia by playing with its AI, then waiting in the town until enemies came, then bang bang pew pew, which was the only fun there but doesn't last much. Then running to WM and waiting to see if there's more action. And don't forget the time "spent" levelling PvP characters. But anyway I have said this many times already.
There's no competition and let's say sense of sport , as well other qualities i desire.
I think roleplaying mixes cooperative and competitive aspects to a certain extent. It is a form of collectively made "theatre" where the people who participate are always cooperating (even if they pewpew each other as part of their RP) but I also see a relatively competitive aspect in the fact that good roleplaying requires good narrative skills. Everyone can get bored of RP if the rest of the guys who participate write poorly and don't develop convincing and interesting character backgrounds. By "write poorly" I don't only mean using emoticons and that kind of stuff, I mean that in a good roleplaying game, players must create dialogue lines and actions which add some "literary quality" to this collective theatre.
If you're gonna roleplay with "noobs" then you don't need to think too much about a character background and probably your dialogues will be rather poor, but if you want to roleplay with more experienced people you need to make an effort and come up with something better. The quality of the game you play depends a lot on the the other players' skill, and you are part of their "other players" as well. You need to have skills and use them as well as possible to keep the game's quality... or increase it, in which the others would have to keep up.
By playing a good RP game you have fun and part of the fun is, in my opinion, keeping its quality and trying to increase it. It's interesting to see how every single player tries to keep/increase that quality and how, as a result, the collectively created story is developed. If in a RP project/game/whatever you got ten poor RPers and one very experienced RPer, the experienced one will probably be the one keeping the RP running and interesting, will probably get bored easily and the RP will come to an end. You need to make an effort to get to his/her level to keep the game running, so this is why I think the fun you get by roleplaying depends on the other players' skills, how they use it, and how you are able to react to them. The Game Master is not exactly the only one that throws situations at you, because these situations change with other player's reactions, through their characters. You too change these situation for the other players, and you got to keep it (or make it even more) interesting.
Also, both PvP/TCing and RPing demand you to prepare a character before participating, especially if you want to do good in the activity and have fun. But while preparting a character for PvP/TC means killing critters (as long as levelling through quests is not a real alternative) which is quite boring, preparing a character for RP means thinking about a background story, a personality, etc. You are already using the same or at least similar skills you use when actually roleplaying, it is already a real challenge for the player and if you do it well, you'll most probably have more fun when actually roleplaying.
My personal view.
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i'm amazed you even know what Fallout is then! Did you play at all before fonline?
Let me lay down this more precise if you aren't able to comprehend. I am not interested of the RP possibilities and the fashion how the activities are executed in this multi-player game. If i really want to feel in character , enjoy the story etc. etc. , i go play a single player game and find comfort of what normal RPG's provides. This is not a normal RPG.
Do you see the difference ? To your ridiculous question , yes i have played finished fallout 1 , 2 multiple times.
I've personally never seen the need of TC, other than it might be fun for some.
I get bored of PvP and TC easily...
How clever , congratulations , you realized it works both ways.
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Let me lay down this more precise if you aren't able to comprehend.
T-888's arrogant attitude. T-888's arrogant attitude never changes. Should have expected it anyways.
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T888 is arogant-i believe this will never change-i dont want to say that he is an asshole(even though i think he is)-i just wonder how is he in RL? I mean age,social and linguistic skills etc-behaviour
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Calm down, Hects Hakal. I should tell you not to go off-topic and to stick to what this thread is about: roleplaying. However, this issue has already been settled forever by Mr. T-888 and it has officially been decided that there should be only PvP in 2238 because Mr. T-888 likes it, and no RP because Mr. T-888 finds no reason for such a boring activity. Mr. T-888 has spoken.
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Eternauta youre hilarious :D "Mr" T888 ;D yes the Jesus of new age ;D
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Aww jeez, not this shit again. RP/lumberjack this, PvP/ape that, oh please.
I have an idea - let's all go troll, whine, rage and upload fancy pix in some random thread at "Gang Issues" section, while roleplaying cold-blooded distanced adult people, shall we? It's the finest way to combine PvP and RP thingie, unfortunately only on forum.
There is enough space in game to keep apes and lumberjack away from each other, so I believe it's just a matter of finding the right spot for desired activities. All in all it's a game, right? Games should provide fun, right?
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T888 is arogant-i believe this will never change-i dont want to say that he is an asshole(even though i think he is)-i just wonder how is he in RL? I mean age,social and linguistic skills etc-behaviour
The characteristics of taurus are solidity, practicality, extreme determination and strength of will - no one will ever drive them.
;D
T-888 and it has officially been decided that there should be only PvP in 2238
Could you point me where i said that ? Now you have your personal opinion and i can't have one ? Who is arrogant here ?
I'm done here. Go compete by making fairy-tails for what i care.
4 posts of T-888 this and T-888 that because of something i didn't even say. Childish. I'm quite sure more nonsense will follow , so don't try so hard. I always expect that.
i'm amazed you even know what Fallout is then! Did you play at all before fonline?
I wanted to say no just for curiosity , but in that case i had a strong feeling he just wants to mock me. So it's the perfect time to be offensive. I only show the same respect to everyone else that is shown to me. Want to discuss something with me in a sensible manner , don't think of me as some idiot asking stupid questions and calling me arrogant really isn't the best way how lead a discussion forward.
I was about to reply something good back to eternauta , but of course this bullshit again.
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RP rocks in some ways...
And besides, if people do bring gangs and such there, try again, u rly don't need loot unless it fits ur description...
Any place is fine in my opinion... :P
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RP rocks in some ways...
And besides, if people do bring gangs and such there, try again, u rly don't need loot unless it fits ur description...
Any place is fine in my opinion... :P
Ya your right you don't need much loot or anything for RP and if you want to set up stores or something the items needed for that such as food and drink is pretty cheap ;) I'm still thinking about where is a good place to do it and will probably try to start it once i level my new character a little more.....
And T888 if you don't agree with RP than just say that alone or just do not post here, and other people that posted.....don't feed the trolls.
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I think that sticking to your character's persona and avoiding metagaming
whenever possible is about as good as you're going to get while logged in.
I've randomly met a few characters who were IC the whole time, so people are already doing this on some level.
Frankly, when somebody says "let's RP" in graphical mmo's I tend to avoid them like the
plague because they've already failed (imho) by having to outright state what they're doing.
If you're looking for something more in-depth, I highly suggest nominating a GM and starting
a play-by-post game. I suspect more than a few players would be interested in such a project.
Good luck either way and don't give up.
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Wow T-888 got banned.....wonder why...
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I rp a bored lonely guy wandering empty ruins ambushing guys in leather jackets so i can rip them apart with my bare hands. Intense hatred of anyone stupid enough to wear black leather in the california desert drives me to remove their taint from what is left of humanity's gene pool.
(http://i.adultswim.com/asfix/repository/8a25c392127763f00112776b1ff20001/thumbnail_42289.jpg)
Hahaha... taint
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ohhhh, taint!
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Good greif the wanna-be terminator got banned again... For some reason I get the impression he thinks people actually give a shit of what he has to say but most of the time you are typing to a wall on here and its lols to see somebody get so angry when nobody gives a shit about the point he is trying to make.
I role play han solo and off to save the galaxy from the evil empire while enriching myself and getting all the princess pussy. This is the star wars galaxy thread yes or am I just really high?
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RPing is possible even if you alone. The simplest thing is that you decide what your character will or never do and stick to that like for example you choose to play a pacifist handyman who goes around gathering stuffs and making things then going around selling them. I killed nothing with that character. Another char I decided to be a slaver thus I won't hurt slavers if I can avoid it (be it player or npc) also in case I meet slavers I usually help them.
Although these are poor RP tryings but since they simple they are possible.
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Well, either you do PvP or you RP. I do roleplaying because with every game I play I tend to live the life of character in the game.
As for this RP project, I always want to start something like this and I even have bought trapper camp near NCR for this purpose, the only problem is lack of time. But nevertheless I will start to add roleplayers to this camp and we can start to think of something (caravan company?)
Because this game is for fun and RP is fun, right? ;D
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Count me in.
(https://i.imgur.com/YFpgy.gif)
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Hey, what the hell? Why T-888 has been banned? I didn't notice anything wrong in his posts and even if my gamestyle is totally different from his, I don't mind to read about it. He is right, game is focused on pew-pew activities, like Toilet Control, random New Reno skirmishes, TB traps on the Wasteland and so on. Lumberjacks and Mad Max Wannabes, as me for example, have to adapt or hide, or both.
And if you really want to roleplay something, just do it. Get some dudes, buy a caravan cart, start wandering around. Announcing everywhere "hurr durr imma hardcore roleplaya watch me roleplayin and adore my RP skillz" is as pathetic as "hurr durr imma pr0 ape pewpewing around mah banana box". Righteous souls, able to understand and follow the rules of common play, don't grow on trees. It's not easy to find them and keep them playing here.
I vote for unbanning T-888. Ban should be deserved, not random.
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If anyone Rp project start, i want join and try help ;)
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T-888 is a joke. Let him fap to a mirror in peace.
When I started playing FOnline, I was absolutely sure that it's going to be an awesome RP MMO game. But here's what makes it hard to roleplay anything and to stay in character all the time:
1. pvp fights are too dynamic, surprise = win so while being inside any map, you have to be cautious all the time, have a scout (friend or erm bro :P), if you "waste" too much time on typing or doing anything else, someone jumps on you and he will often kill you before you even know what has happened. I leave guarded towns without a comment - everyone knows how "safe" they are. due to a massive number of alts (thousands?) you can't even get a good revenge most of the time.
2. there is a large gap between characters that are able to fight in pvp and those which can do anything else. alting prevails, people use characters that are specialists at one thing so if you want a "jack-of-all-trades" character, it will be simply shitty.
3. also, the fact that people often use 10+ characters makes it hard to stay in character all the time (which character? 300% outdoor or sg sniper or crafter or bomber or leader alt?).
4. the attitude of many players who will "OMG U NOOB I PWN YA" and don't give a shit about any roleplaying (except roleplaying a raider because you can justify your pvp alt in such way). well, to be honest, if this part wasn't true, this game would be an awesome RPG indeed.
even if u find it surprising TC is not so far from "RP", I bet it was supposed to allow a faction take the control in the town, so they could enforce their laws, it could support player interaction, prevent trolling such as in guarded locations. well, it ended in capturing towns on AFK, shooting NPCs and packing whatever you have available against anyone who shows up so you can loot all shit, killing any player that shows up because his items are more valuable than his possible actions (or he is scout/troll/blacklisted/outlaw/blabla), then again gridcamping with militia and looting all shit from the locker which actually gives a large amount of stuff nowadays. then fap over your gang name in pipboy because it's all that is left from awesome (at least in theory) idea of town control.
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(http://veritas.blogg.se/images/2009/sexy_maid_lingerie_set_b20915_54251910.jpg)
looking for hardcore rp
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(http://veritas.blogg.se/images/2009/sexy_maid_lingerie_set_b20915_54251910.jpg)
looking for hardcore rp
You call Wasteland maids hardcore RP?
Now ninja nurses is some hardcore RP.
(https://i.imgur.com/cdlgb.jpg)
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Ninja nurses must hurt just as bad as maids ;D
And frankly, yes, RPing can be done very well by yourself, I can already think of many ideas...
And just be careful of what you say or do, this'll affect your character XD
(http://www.forumsextreme.com/images/aFu_CatBite.gif)
This is one example :P
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I vote for unbanning T-888. Ban should be deserved, not random.
I don't think we get to vote on stuff like that.
+1, just in case.
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Btw random question....... is T-888 male or female? Everyone is saying he but with that picture it's very confusing...... ??? lol
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It was probably not necessary to ban T-888 but after trying to have a good discussion with the dude (and everyone who has posted and wants to post here) about RP and then reading his arrogant "Let me lay down this more precise if you aren't able to comprehend" followed by "I don't care about RP" post, I can only agree with Kilgore:
T-888 is a joke. Let him fap to a mirror in peace.
Once again, sticking to what the thread is actually about, I agree with Kilgore again and think the points highlighted in his post explain clearly why it's extremely difficult to roleplay here.
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It was probably not necessary to ban T-888 but after trying to have a good discussion with the dude (and everyone who has posted and wants to post here) about RP and then reading his arrogant "Let me lay down this more precise if you aren't able to comprehend" followed by "I don't care about RP" post, I can only agree with Kilgore:
Once again, sticking to what the thread is actually about, I agree with Kilgore again and think the points highlighted in his post explain clearly why it's extremely difficult to roleplay here.
lol harsh mate... so yeah i somewhat agree with you Eternauta
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Ya i know it is pretty hard to roleplay on this game but i still plan on trying to do this and i hope that other players will also......i'm probably going to start by getting some players that are experienced in guarding and such or players that think that they could help to defend the roleplayers that don't have combat skills and such......will be posting when i plan on starting to recruit for the guards. ;D
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Roleplay on 2238? Been there done that:
I've done:
RP-Events without GMs (Modoc Militia Caravan goin to BH to have big auction with BHH)
RP-Events with the help of GMs (The broken robot in vault 15 and several other times RPing a robot with little player quests)
I planned player-quests
I founded #2238rp on forestnet
What did this bring until now and what experienced did I make?
We had fun for a while but it always gets disturbed by trolls or the people loose interest because there is no "phat lewt" at the end of the RPing. I've already said it in another thread: People don't want to downsize them to a level of a hunter with leather armor and hunting rifle if they fear a BA minigunner shows up every moment killing the whole group (happened in modoc).
Also organizing good RP is enough work and if you see it's not a success you get frustrated. GMs can't be online all the time to monitor the whole thing and even if they guard the place they are flamed for GM ABUSE. I thought about requesting minor GM access to have a bit more options for RP but I thought it would turn out the same way: "GM ABUSE", "lol this is boring", "y u no equip rocket launcher for hunting geckos?".
Sum-up:
RP possible and fun for RPers
RP is always targeted by trolls and can't be protected by GMs without risking shitstorm and attracting more trolls.
No rewards in RPing let much people think it's a waste of time.
Organizing and "leading" RP Events as a single person is hard work and not always rewarding, therefor #2238rp is mostly silent and has 5 idlers at max.
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Well if I run into you guys, I'll see how I can help out / participate.
Usually I just RP with npc's or pc's who are near me. Most of the time it ends up in me talking in loops to guards who keep repeating their set dialogue. But when I meet a RP-ish person in random encounter or town, it usually ends up in a fun hunt.
I like to RP with whatever happens, not really a fan of the 'RP event' idea, but I must say that I've never really tried either.
RP-ing in TB is most fun for me, because you have time to type, read and think about your next action ;)
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I think we need to differ between
"acting like a wastelander and not out of character on the daily playing"
Talking like a wastelander in the fallout universe, doing things that seem realistic for a wastelander aka non metagaming
and
"do things that have no real impact on the world and take place mostly in the phantasie of every participant"
travel around with a purpose and goal you set for yourself like a caravan from town A to town B and enter every encounter.
Or place your things to trade on the ground and offer them as a merchant, hire guards who shoot looters etc.
Many people RP the first way, and thats totaly ok and easy to do.
But the real interesting and worthwhile things in my opinion are those little events, and by events I don't mean a big festival, just something you organize like a traveling merchant coming to a town and putting his items to display. But those things are hard to maintain and a sudden troll-airstrike can always happen.
What I also learned from past experiences is that if you have GM assistance, half of the people in the place are spamming "hi GM, gief skin plx".
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or the people loose interest because there is no "phat lewt" at the end of the RPing.
Not *always* true, last session I for example got a nice reward for being one of the three guys who participated in one of the "robot in V15" events ;) But that was just a gift from a GM ("omg gm abooze!") so probably doesn't count. What could count is that I had prepared a reward for whoever would finished the Jake Ibarra event, I had saved some caps and also some loot and while a GM helped me a bit because I was paranoid about Hinkley armors, it was mostly player work. As a little twist, I decided that the player could only get the reward if they Err-Pee'd with Jake Ibarra, trying to complete the "quest" via PvP dialogue (:D) instead of fighting.
The whole thing was interrupted so I wasn't able to actually test it, but it's just about an incentive in my opinion, and I think these elements could boost the RP tendencies of some players. It of course requires dedicated players who can gather/have gathered decent loot and are able to part with it, and willing to part with it even if it's by not dying in TC. But I think there are some players like that.
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Didn't know you were there :)
I pushed Nexxos, who played the greedy BoS paladin, to give a bit stuff as reward for the ones who played along all the time.
(We even had someone there who was absolutly stoned (in real life) and he pulled through nicely :D)
Of course someone can provide player-rewards for such event even without GM, but it can be frustrating if it backfires because of something and everything is lost.
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Of course someone can provide player-rewards for such event even without GM, but it can be frustrating if it backfires because of something and everything is lost.
Yeah that's right. Maybe last session it didn't hurt so much because of the characteristics of the game's economy, the reworked gathering cooldowns and the length of the session (in a way, everyone had everything at the end), but it is different this time. We'll see how it goes, maybe after some months it'll be possible to invest loot in micro-RP-events again :D
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(We even had someone there who was absolutly stoned (in real life) and he pulled through nicely :D)
playing stoned =200% more fun :D
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playing stoned =200% more fun :D
Is there any other way to play?
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especialy for roleplay:D
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I am going to be trying to start this all out in a month or so.....maybe less but i'm not sure.....that is when i am going to start recruiting for guards, store owners, suppliers, doctors, roleplayers, etc, etc....
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Just opened my RP project. It's been nearly a year in the works. PM if your interested!
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,24072.0.html (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,24072.0.html)