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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: Gimper on April 30, 2012, 07:17:55 pm
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I've personally noticed, as well as my recruit faction members, that pig rats are definitely overpowered. A swarm of pig rats could easily down any new player in a matter of seconds. That's understandable from death claws, or floaters etc. But pig rats? Come on. I've also noticed in mole rat vs. pig rat encounters, Ironically, pig rats always come out victorious yet they give 50 experience points, where as mole rats give 120. Mole rats are also significantly easier to kill. My suggestion is to maybe do some work on the pig rat experience points, switch their experience with mole rats or possibly just boost it to 100. It seems unfair to make pig rats worth less than mole rats, even though they are stronger. Point proven.
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Overpowered :DD is this somekind of joke?
If you see them overpowered then overpower yourself and take Toughness and Even Tougher and damages stay mostly at 0-3 dmg
(Even mutated pigrats damage is 0-4max, critical is totally different thing)
Mostly I just avoid them and go straight to Mutated Molerats for 300xp (330xp with loner/swift learner or 360xp with both)
btw better to kill mantis, their DR is so bad and every dmg type makes good damage to them + 70xp per kill
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Overpowered :DD is this somekind of joke?
If you see them overpowered then overpower yourself and take Toughness and Even Tougher and damages stay mostly at 0-3 dmg
(Even mutated pigrats damage is 0-4max, critical is totally different thing)
Mostly I just avoid them and go straight to Mutated Molerats for 300xp (330xp with loner/swift learner or 360xp with both)
btw better to kill mantis, their DR is so bad and every dmg type makes good damage to them + 70xp per kill
Did you not read the entire post? I said for my new faction recruits. Im sure anyone experienced can take them, but thats not the point. The point is that they can rape any bluesuit noob any time. Its ridiculous.
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All I can do is sit here and laugh hysterically. 'Nerf Pigrats'... LOLZ.
Any nooblet can kill a swarm of pigrats with 1 or 2 moltovs, and they are not "OP" compared to molerats...
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Best way to handle pigrats, if you are really newbie -> take another newbie with you.
You changes to win raises much.
Yeah, I known this post was for newbies who can't handle weak enemies. I read it all
It just makes me wonder, because I start always beat up Mutated Moles with 126hp on lvl 1 without problems (SG,EW,BG,HtH,Melee)
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Every critter is harsh and does a lot of damage to lower level players that try to fight them directly, a small group of rats or ants can kill you, it has always been like this. This session humans were given a boost to their starting hp to make it a bit easier to survive against creatures.
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Gimper's suggestion is not as funny as the fact that runboy93 is convinced we care about what he types in a smaller font in every single thread he posts in.
As for the suggestion itself, pig rats are fine as they are, just run away or throw molotovs at them. I don't see anything wrong with a swarm of mutated rats killing a human. This can be annoying if you're caught by lag but that is not worth a nerf, in my opinion.
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Pigrats are moving around World Map in hordes.
Shit just got real.
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Pigrats are ok the problem is with molerats. They are way too weak compared to the xp they give.
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Thnx god they didnt tried hunt down fire geckos. They are op :) flame breath is pain in ass and you can get only 250exp :) nerf fire geckos!!! And remove radiation from cent floaters and aliens;) hahaha
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Pigrats are ok the problem is with molerats. They are way too weak compared to the xp they give.
This.
Everyone focuses on his complaint that they are too harsh for newbies, but they don't realize (or are denying to, for excuse to trolololololoL) that he is mostly talking about how their exp doesn't reflect their obvious stronger than molerats.
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Why here isn't any talking about Mutated pigrats?
Mostly they have 57HP and they gave 90XP, if I remember corretly.
They got DR/DT against some attacks and higher dmg, so even dangerous than normal pigrat.
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Buff molerats! is it then.
Honestly, while leveling, when is see pigrats and molerats clawing at each other, i just kill molerats and run away, because pigrats aren't worth the effort for the XP they're giving.
But maybe it's exactly the way around, the BIGGER and supposedly stronger molerats should be take down 3 molerats before flopping to the ground.
Right now, they just give bigger targets for levelers.
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i think this too but for wolves.not overpowered but should give more xp.2 times harder to kill then molerats
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All I can do is sit here and laugh hysterically. 'Nerf Pigrats'... LOLZ.
Any nooblet can kill a swarm of pigrats with 1 or 2 moltovs, and they are not "OP" compared to molerats...
All i can do i sit here and feel sorry for you, cause you cant read:] There is NO suggestion about nerfing pigrats, there is suggestion about increasing reward for killing them.
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btw better to kill mantis,
btw better to kill floaters and centaurs.
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btw better to kill floaters and centaurs.
btw not everyone can kill floaters and centaurs
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Everyone can , the difference is that someone doesn't know how.
Leveling is from lvl 1 to 24 at centaurs/floaters if you just know how , don't need to be pro , just use head.
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Everyone can , the difference is that someone doesn't know how.
Leveling is from lvl 1 to 24 at centaurs/floaters if you just know how , don't need to be pro , just use head.
Then I'd like to have a head because no matter how hard I crit them they only get knocked down.
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And I was thinking about this
"Everyone can..."
What about fast shooters with bad build as mine?
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And I was thinking about this
What about fast shooters with bad build as mine?
then level on mutated molerats, big deal. also depends WHAT guns you use with fast shot (small or energy).
and to be quite honest i think you can level fast shot character there too. just coz you haven't tried it doesn't mean it's not possible.
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Everyone can , the difference is that someone doesn't know how.
Leveling is from lvl 1 to 24 at centaurs/floaters if you just know how , don't need to be pro , just use head.
OK, I make a new character, energy TB sniper. She doesn't share any items with any other character because that's
how I play. She doesn't get help from any gang because it's a loner that doesn't use any out-of-game help. Nor from
any player because she doesn't know anyone yet. She is supposed to make friends in game not in forum or IRC. The
character is on her own. No multilogs, taxis, etc. These restrictions are "by design" because I like to play this way.
I don't think "just use head" will work in this case, or rather the result of using it won't be trying to level up on centaurs
from level 1 :)
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you don't need to start leveling on floaters and centaurs at level 1. i, for one, level until, let's say, 8-12 killing molerats and other weak creatures. then i move onto centaurs.
:)
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use head...and radio
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I don't think "just use head" will work in this case, or rather the result of using it won't be trying to level up on centaurs
from level 1 :)
Need level 1 to craft lazer pistols and SEC , with little effort it's easy to notice how AI works in VS encounters where there is usually only one NPC after you and as soon as you hit him it usually changes target if it doesn't , run around till the distance between you and the NPC is farther than the distance between the NPC and a another nearby hostile target. In case if it doesn't work then change encounter , if you don't want to risk dying and trying to hit him again. Of course at lvl 1 you won't have the skill to do eye shots even at close range ( if it's a mad max wannabe char , most probably will be possible to do eye shots , because their not powerbuilds with 1 str ) , so all you have to do is watch some npc's fighting and finish off one nasty floater with a torso shot that will instantly grant you the first level unless you already achieved it by crafting SEC and lazer pistols what will make it much more easier. So first levels finishing off with torso shots , then stuff gets easier.
Stuff like car , extra equipment like armor , healing supplies are not mandatory , but all that would save a lot of time and nothing more ( if you use head , you can find a way how to gather necessary items to obtain those things too , even with level 1 ) , you can get around the wasteland by bare foot and craft the necessary items , build tent wherever you wish as you just need to know where to find some brahmins.
Use head will just do it fine , but god you play so inefficiently , i think you waste more time than anyone else from my team.
I was a loner once too you know , nobody told me that , i thought of it myself. BECAUSE I USED HEAD and instead coming here and whining on forum how hard the game is , i just thought.
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I am proud of you.
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Game not hard enough!
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better play LoL and after/before a game do the caravan boxing quest
you will have money for tent in no time
now back to pigrats, nerf them, to less gain for there rezistance
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better play LoL and after/before a game do the caravan boxing quest
you will have money for tent in no time
now back to pigrats, nerf them, to less gain for there rezistance
"pick support noobteam omfg leave fast"
To teh topic: Instead of nerfing them just give more exp like 80.
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"pick support noobteam omfg leave fast"
i won all my games w/o support, or support playin AD
still, your ideea is good to boost there xp
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I agree, currently, they are not worth killing. Waste of ammo. Just compare.
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Mole_Rat 120XP
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Greater_Mole_Rat 160XP
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Mutated_Mole_Rat 300XP
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Pig_Rat 50XP
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Tough_Pig_Rat 75XP
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Mutated_Pig_Rat 90XP
I'm for XP boost. 80XP, 100XP, 130XP.
On the side note: Would be nice, if they drop some meat, so you could craft consumables. After all, they are mutated pigs.
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Too bad that now that you pointed it out they're going to nerf the exp gain from Mole Rats, which is not that bad an idea, they're far too easy to kill.
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The only bad thing about rats are that if they swarm you, you armor starts losing condition fast.
I had 70/70 CA, I enc Pigrats and I fight them (about 10), then I leave enc, and look at my armor's stats its
49/70.. C'mon people
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Too bad that now that you pointed it out they're going to nerf the exp gain from Mole Rats, which is not that bad an idea, they're far too easy to kill.
it's stupid to nerf the exp gain of ANY critter until there are actually quests that give exp
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Too bad that now that you pointed it out they're going to nerf the exp gain from Mole Rats, which is not that bad an idea, they're far too easy to kill.
To be honnest, i dont think this will happen any "soon". Like someone stated, the summer is comming, so we might expect update now, or as a christmas gift.
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Solar has overhauling the whole XP system on his long to-do list, I think. So what happens, happens... but hopefully it will make pigrats less useless.