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IF...you want to compete in PvP combat, this post won't be for you. But IF...you want a tough, multipurpose PvE character who fights, survives, explores quests, disarms traps, heals himself, finds blueprints and crafts everything in privacy, then i have a build for you. This is a revised version of my universal crafter:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/4t7bqo.jpg)
Step 1 is to get to level 2 and immediately boost Science up to 100 and get Educated (and Swift Leaner and Awareness).
Step 2 is to boost weapon skill (max 180) and start leveling him up. Get support perks in your own order.
Max Skills
Energy Weapons 180
First Aid 97
Doctor 100
Traps 125
Science 150
Repair 150
Outdoorsman 100
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Step 2 is to boost weapon skill (max 180) and start leveling him up.
Lol, and what am I supposed to do before weapon skill is 180%? ^_^ Just watch on character and pray that he'll level up himself? I think you need to start leveling him up from... beginning. That quote is nonsense.
Also, forget about Bruiser and take Fast Shot and do 5-6 shots per turn with laser rifle.
Also... where the hell are bonus move perks? Are you RT PvE build? Forget damn toughness, take bonus moves.
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Actually "Just watch on character and pray that he'll level up himself?" is the sentence that does not make sense. Step 1 has to be to boost Science and get Educated. Step 2 is start dumping points into weapon so you can fight to level up. What about that do you not understand? Easy stuff.
Forget Bruiser? Not for a crafter who wants max CW. You need ST 10 for that. 5-6 shots sounds great but it's that or max CW, not both. It has already been pointed out that a crafter's CW is important when choosing those 10x items in the Fix-Boy. So just think crafter and you get it.
RT, yes. Sure okay, take Bonus Move instead of Even Tougher. It's up to you. I prefer ET. Hey man, alter the build all you want i guess lol it's a free game.
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If you prefer RT, then tag SG and just burst. Get a lot HP, run and 1hex everything in encounter. Single shooting for 3 AP from laser pistol in RT? Pffffffff
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HtH ultimate v0.1
ST 10
PE 1
EN 10
CH 1
IN 3
AG 9*
LK 6
Traits:
Small Frame (Total AG is 10 with this*)
Finesse (More criticals, doesn't really matter if enemy got 30% DR)
Perks:
Lvl 3: Bonus HtH Damage
Lvl 6: Toughness
Lvl 9: Bonus HtH Damage+
Lvl 12: Even Tougher
Lvl 15: HtH Criticals
Lvl 18: Bonus HtH Attacks
Lvl 21: Hit the Gaps
Lvl 24: Man of Steel
BG special v0.1
ST 3*
PE 7
EN 10
CH 1
IN 8
AG 10
LK 1
Traits:
Bruiser (+4ST, total 7ST*)
Loner** (+10% more exp)
(If you spend to 50% Science skill, then you can get Swift Learner support perk and another +10% exp**)
Perks:
Lvl 3: Livewire
Lvl 6: Toughness
Lvl 9: Even Tougher
Lvl 12: Action boy
Lvl 15: Action boy
Lvl 18: Bonus Rate of Fire (Not gonna help much, but I didn't find better solution)
Lvl 21: Pyromaniac
Lvl 24: Pyromaniac+
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Tag Ew is not a bad idea. Last days I was leveling my ew slaver with gatling laser. That was a total mess. The fastest leveled up char I ever did. I took my like 3,5 hours in total.
However if you will use this character as a gear farmer then I would leave bruiser trait alone.
And the level of hp...it's just too low.
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180 ew ? what u want shoot with that? bruisier? ;D 9ap ?:D
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horrible build.
1. hard to start with EW. you need to start with unarmed/melee, then move onto EW/SG, then to BG. (all those to 3 diff. characters ofcourse)
2. 9AP is shit. get 10AP + fast shot + BROF you will shoot 5 times with laser pistol/rifle/plasma/whatever.
3. traps skills is useless to combine into one character.
4. 10ST is too much. 3ST and strong back and weapon handling should suffice.
5. you need about 120-150% outdoorsman. i'm not too sure about 100%
6. bruiser is useless, use fast shot instead.
7. 10IN+skilled+educated = overkill. really.
it's a very bad character, really. better to make multiple characters to focus on one task or just make 1st character to be a badass PvE fighter and you won't need to craft jack shit.
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@DeputyDope
Really using the namesake here arn't we. This is not a dedicated combat build. It does not need fast shot, and it does not need to bump AP with anything else but the occasional Nuka. No, max skills every level is not overkill. Yes, you WILL NEED 10 STR and all of the CW perks, for mining and easier crafting. 100% OD is fine, it gives you Outdoorsman camp and Gecko skinning, and you avoid a good deal of encounters. Yes, you will need traps if your going to lockpick and it gives you access to the Demolitions profession.
But yeah, Energy Weapons are a difficult weapon choice to start on. I would defiantly recommend H2H, Melee (Generally H2H seems better), or Small Guns.
Also, I would change the Doc to Speech or Barter and leave AP at one burst or two fist swings, and dump that AG into CHA. Thats just personal preference though.
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BenK is the only one posting here who understands. Are you other guys even paying attention? Ever mine ore? It's not a fighter build who crafts. It's the other way around: he's a crafter build who fights. So it's a perfect build lol.
CH is enough though to dialogue most places and AG matters when mining and picking things up and dropping them faster. Small Guns would work just a little better then EW - it would allow FA to go to 100 instead of 97. Not a big enough difference for a comment really.
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ok then. have fun playing with this shitty "starter" build.
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I wish you knew what you were talking about.
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I wish you knew what you were talking about.
i wish people like you figure out that jack-of-all-trades characters are mostly shit.
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IF...you want to compete in PvP combat, this post won't be for you. But IF...you want a tough, multipurpose PvE character who fights, survives, explores quests, disarms traps, heals himself, finds blueprints and crafts everything in privacy, then i have a build for you.
Pay attention on what you wrote. IMO character "who fights" should be able to fight, right? Build with 146 hp is really not a tough character.
I do understand that this build will be able to mine, craft, explore etc. And with these I agree. But when I see a character with 146 hp I cannot agree that he is tough or destinated to fight, even in PvE, or maybe you mean mantis and molerats?
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Glad someone is paying attention. "Tough" as in he gets a Toughness perk. "Able to fight" is vague on purpose. It doesn't mean you can attack them all. You're a crafter so you run, and continue on to the mine lol and leave the Highwaymen behind.
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ok then wtf is the point of the toughness perk if you don't fight? or if you have 146HP?
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Dude you can post a build in a new thread. That would help.
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Glad someone is paying attention. "Tough" as in he gets a Toughness perk. "Able to fight" is vague on purpose. It doesn't mean you can attack them all. You're a crafter so you run, and continue on to the mine lol and leave the Highwaymen behind.
man why not make 2-3alts :
1 crafter/digger (max 5-6lvl) skilled,educated,10int
2 taxi barter - you can lvl up him with traveling over wm (i did it in first week of this sesion)
3 pve farmer - some sg brd burster with max hp ap and at least 6pe
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You and i do that, but most newer players prefer to work on one guy until they get more into the game. As the thread is called "Just starting?" If you're not just starting, the thread is really not for you.
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You and i do that, but most newer players prefer to work on one guy until they get more into the game. As the thread is called "Just starting?" If you're not just starting, the thread is really not for you.
well if they work on 1 guy they might aswell make a kickass PvE build and not waste their time with broken crafting/mining system. don't ya agree?
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Yes i agree. Do you go away now or what?
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I think that char is a bit hard to play for a beginner. I think some thing like this would be better for them.
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/8675/characterv.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/characterv.png/)
Reason for skills:
Throw is one of the combat skills that are easy to manage. To get weapon player should look for a flint make a tool look for wood cut some then head to a mine and get ore. Soon he will have some throwing knives, also no matter if throw is 100 the player can still get a basic fire arm training from gun runners to get +15% to small guns thus making it 60.
Big guns this skill is quite powerful although he won't be as good as a PVP player if he gets in a troubled enc he could still have some chance with an m60.
Small guns most common weapons 110% skill is enough for burst attacks and non aimed shots.
Fa and Doc these skills are useful for all.
Outdoorsman 120 from that skill will help the new guy avoid quite a lot of encounters this is the primary skill to boost.
Repair 50% should be enough for basic crafting skills yeah no blueprint learning but I think for starting out its better to see the basic and have a character that can do pretty much all thing without extras.
Trait choice: Fast shot and good natured so the player can find a companion and be able to shoot relatively a lot.
From Perks I suggest bonus move for one reason I wish to believe that new players played fallout 1-2 and familiar at least a bit with TB combat. This could give them a lot of help.
Alternatively to help starting it could be ok to rise unarmed to 80 and let fa and doc be 71-71.
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Bigguns or EW for your first character? Do you guys remember what it was like when you started out your first character? What absolutely horrible starter advice. Off alone by yourself you will NEVER have any ammo or weapons. Crafting? Why the fuck even bother this session, so fuck the whole CW. Your first Character should be SG,FA,OD fastshot + brof 10ag build, nothing else, it should be the fucking law. Do you not understand, let me repeat it so you get it. Tag SG,FA,OD fastshot get brof pick 10ag. Do I need to repeat it again? Ok so now go off and make your Hth cw crafter explorer dyer build.
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Bigguns or EW for your first character? Do you guys remember what it was like when you started out your first character? What absolutely horrible starter advice. Off alone by yourself you will NEVER have any ammo or weapons. Crafting? Why the fuck even bother this session, so fuck the whole CW. Your first Character should be SG,FA,OD fastshot + brof 10ag build, nothing else, it should be the fucking law. Do you not understand, let me repeat it so you get it. Tag SG,FA,OD fastshot get brof pick 10ag. Do I need to repeat it again? Ok so now go off and make your Hth cw crafter explorer dyer build.
No shit, dat era I started with bg crafter build and it was good.
Here it is (https://i.imgur.com/smcXj.jpg)
Take those perks: pack rat, strong back, even tougher, 2x pyromanic/brd, 2x lifegiver, brof.
Rest are support perks.
Great PVE character with flamer/bazooka with proper perks.
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Bg was quite easy at the beginning of this session not as easy as unarmed though...
Anyway I think that for a new player the best char is one that has more then one weapon skill. Actually a good one is unarmed since it needs nothing however I prefer throw since its relative easy to get and can be used for many situation.
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i wish people like you figure out that jack-of-all-trades characters are mostly shit.
Then don't fucking build one.
Why do you give a damn what someone else does?
You know what? Never mind, scratch that.
I want to see your builds that aren't "shit", so we can see the genius at work.
And believe me, I'm using that word loosely.
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Here, laser-rifle spammer, TB and PvE oriented:
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5002/zuemzimu18lvl.png)
Sharpshooter and Lifegiver perks are not taken yet. Rich source of MFCs and Laser Rifles required to use it. Real fun starts on 18th level with BRoF perk. Pew pew pew!
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Are HtH sneak builds good for farming? Was thinking of making one but really haven't an idea on how to make them? Any advice would be appreciated.
/regards
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Are HtH sneak builds good for farming? Was thinking of making one but really haven't an idea on how to make them? Any advice would be appreciated.
/regards
HtH sneak is just for trolling, if you want easy farming then HtH Critical with finesse.
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HtH sneak is just for trolling, if you want easy farming then HtH Critical with finesse.
Or damage maker, like str 10 + heavy handed + bruiser, u'know..
and lots hp
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Thanks for the info guys. \(^o^)/
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=/o.o/= np lol
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For a starter pve build i'd go with a non-drug with either SG or unarmed for weapon and first aid and outdoorsman as secondary tags, having 3ch to talk to all traders + carry some friends.
if unarmed make sure to get 10ST 10EN +heavy hand and bruiser traits (try to get perks like toughness and lifegiver)
something like st10 pe5 en10 in5 ag10 lk1 + bruiser and heavyhand
if SG try to get 10AG and fast shot (for a beginner build I think its best to spam single shots than waste ammo on bursts)
something like st5 pe6 en10 in5 ag10 lk1 + small frame and fast shot
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Heavy handed/bruiser chars are terrible for pve unless you are facing a single enemy, a crit build kills things way faster and jinxed combined with in your face disables whole crowds trying to kill you as they are constantly missing turns and crippling themselves while your high luck minimizes the negative effects of jinxed on yourself.
Basically HH/bruiser sneaker = pvp
Unarmed jinxed crit = pve
Just make sure you take more toughness and in your face, ac boosting is useless since most of the time you get hit while standing still. Sneak is needed for farming dangerous encounters like around sf since you can wait for a vs to end then kill the survivors but once the fight starts you better have on some metal armour.
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Bigguns or EW for your first character? Do you guys remember what it was like when you started out your first character? What absolutely horrible starter advice. Off alone by yourself you will NEVER have any ammo or weapons. Crafting? Why the fuck even bother this session, so fuck the whole CW. Your first Character should be SG,FA,OD fastshot + brof 10ag build, nothing else, it should be the fucking law. Do you not understand, let me repeat it so you get it. Tag SG,FA,OD fastshot get brof pick 10ag. Do I need to repeat it again? Ok so now go off and make your Hth cw crafter explorer dyer build.
Best and funnier way to make your way without too much butthurt and with total ignorance of any crafting mechanics,i started the same myself.
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Heavy handed/bruiser chars are terrible for pve unless you are facing a single enemy, a crit build kills things way faster and jinxed combined with in your face disables whole crowds trying to kill you as they are constantly missing turns and crippling themselves while your high luck minimizes the negative effects of jinxed on yourself.
Basically HH/bruiser sneaker = pvp
Unarmed jinxed crit = pve
Just make sure you take more toughness and in your face, ac boosting is useless since most of the time you get hit while standing still. Sneak is needed for farming dangerous encounters like around sf since you can wait for a vs to end then kill the survivors but once the fight starts you better have on some metal armour.
Thanks mate. I am basically looking for something to farm gear for my pvp sg + ew sniper (ew sniper not leveled yet). I am not in gang so I am after solo pve build.
I hear HtH are effective in this task, tough I am unsure how effective since I've never played one. I basically need it to farm laser rifles (to level a ew sniper), & sniper rifles and respective ammo for my sniper. BASICALLY, what I also want to ask is wether a hth build can achieve such task solo?
I was looking at vandals guide & he too combined "jinxed" with "in your face". The only think I don't understand is why he took dodger? when there are potentially better perks?
Also what unarmed skills% + Perception is recommend for pve hth 'farmer' builds?
/regards
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Thanks mate. I am basically looking for something to farm gear for my pvp sg + ew sniper (ew sniper not leveled yet). I am not in gang so I am after solo pve build.
I hear HtH are effective in this task, tough I am unsure how effective since I've never played one. I basically need it to farm laser rifles (to level a ew sniper), & sniper rifles and respective ammo for my sniper. BASICALLY, what I also want to ask is wether a hth build can achieve such task solo?
I was looking at vandals guide & he too combined "jinxed" with "in your face". The only think I don't understand is why he took dodger? when there are potentially better perks?
Also what unarmed skills% + Perception is recommend for pve hth 'farmer' builds?
/regards
Honestly if you want to farm EW hth is probably not the way to go. Easiest way to lvl a ew sniper is make a laser pistol and then either farm homesteaders around redding for sec and then kill centaurs. Dodger just makes jinxed that much more useful but personally i find i get shot mostly while standing still.