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Title: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 26, 2012, 10:18:17 pm
once i was hunting with a guy who had fast shot , 10 agi 2 action boys was on jet  and he was shoting 7 times in one turn from... assault rifle

how is it possible?
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Uftak on March 26, 2012, 10:19:40 pm
It might be magic.....
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: codave on March 26, 2012, 10:26:37 pm
Doesn't fast shot remove 2 AP from two handed weapons?  So a single shot is 5 AP, -2 for Fast Shot, -1 for BROF.  So 2 AP per uncalled shot.

With 10 AG, 2 AB, and +2 from Jet that's 14 AP. 

14/2 = 7

If that's wrong, someone correct me.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Michaelh139 on March 26, 2012, 10:31:41 pm
It's -1 ap.

He might've had cookies....
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Perteks on March 26, 2012, 10:33:08 pm
nope its -2 ap for 2hd weapons
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Michaelh139 on March 26, 2012, 10:34:45 pm
nope its -2 ap for 2hd weapons
For serious?

Never heard of that till now.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Chrupek on March 26, 2012, 10:48:43 pm
For serious?

Never heard of that till now.

Was mentioned somewhere, cant remember where.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: falloutdude on March 26, 2012, 11:03:02 pm
yes 2 handed weapons gives -2 ap with fast shot now.
so 7 shots is possable even with lazer. which is fun ;).
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Keksz on March 26, 2012, 11:56:58 pm
Yeeeeeeeeeeee and it's f@ckin awesome :D:D:D
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Andr3aZ on March 27, 2012, 12:12:11 am
these must be the pr0 TB trap builds i heard of.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 27, 2012, 12:15:57 am
nice to know... that build was pretty devastating for npc in tb
plus the guy had decent crit chance so he scored 2 crits a turn 8)
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Trokanis on March 27, 2012, 12:31:22 am
YAY another way players can be WAY overpowered, well least it's not sniper builds with the ability to ignore the newly added helmets, oh wait?...
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 27, 2012, 12:39:44 am
wtf -2? this needs to get on the wiki since i just wasted a ton of time making a 14 ap 7 shot pistol build, fml.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: falloutdude on March 27, 2012, 12:41:31 am
just to add to this so everyone knows. fast shot also adds +5 per attack.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 27, 2012, 12:42:51 am
just to add to this so everyone knows. fast shot also adds +5 per attack.

why are you posting so much disinformation on here? The last thing you wrote about telling the sheriff was bs too.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: falloutdude on March 27, 2012, 12:45:04 am
why are you posting so much disinformation on here? The last thing you wrote about telling the sheriff was bs too.
so solar saying +5 damage is not right hmm ok. gtfo nub. really if you have such beef with me get a faction and make it worth my time.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 27, 2012, 01:20:59 am
so solar saying +5 damage is not right hmm ok. gtfo nub. really if you have such beef with me get a faction and make it worth my time.

You must be new here if you think I'm a noob. If solar said so prove it, I use fast shot all the time I've never noticed there being a damage bonus.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Michaelh139 on March 27, 2012, 01:25:02 am
You must be new here if you think I'm a noob. If solar said so prove it, I use fast shot all the time I've never noticed there being a damage bonus.
He said Fast shot and Living anatomy are similar somewhere.

Only similarity possible is  the +5 damage..  or it's 2 perhaps, which would better explain the case of you not noticing the effect.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: falloutdude on March 27, 2012, 01:28:06 am
You must be new here if you think I'm a noob. If solar said so prove it, I use fast shot all the time I've never noticed there being a damage bonus.
yes am new.
take a hunting rifle without fast shot and take one with. test yourself.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: codave on March 27, 2012, 03:44:06 am
You must be new here if you think I'm a noob. If solar said so prove it, I use fast shot all the time I've never noticed there being a damage bonus.

http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,21878.msg187269.html#msg187269

It's in this thread, that incidentally YOU posted in.

Read moar.

You guys post TONS of untrue shit on here, I'm amazed anyone knows what is going on at all...
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Wichura on March 27, 2012, 07:15:24 am
YAY another way players can be WAY overpowered, well least it's not sniper builds with the ability to ignore the newly added helmets, oh wait?...
Oh my, jet-addicted junkie with seven single assault shots OVERPOWERED. Crap man, what's wrong with you? Only sticks and stones should left to prevent overpowered builds? What about melee critical fighters? Nerf them too?

Jeez, some people ...


And yeah, 14 AP / 7 shots is easy to get - Fast Shot, 10 AG (or 9 + Nuka), 2x Action Boy, Jet. Rest is up to you.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 27, 2012, 10:45:53 am
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,21878.msg187269.html#msg187269

It's in this thread, that incidentally YOU posted in.

Read moar.

You guys post TONS of untrue shit on here, I'm amazed anyone knows what is going on at all...

Yeah I saw that afterwards, nice of them to hide that info in a thread instead of oh I don't know.. putting it in the changelog or the description?

If it wasn't for falloutdude's reputation for making bullshit barely legible posts I wouldn't be so quick to doubt what he says.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Edik on March 27, 2012, 11:49:50 am
why are you posting so much disinformation on here? The last thing you wrote about telling the sheriff was bs too.

http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,20719.msg172101.html#msg172101 (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,20719.msg172101.html#msg172101)

Cheers
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Swiatowid on March 27, 2012, 09:51:13 pm
AR suck better u make 7 shoot from plazma rifle alt
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 27, 2012, 10:08:41 pm
AR suck better u make 7 shoot from plazma rifle alt

I'm going to because that sounds sexy
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: OG on March 27, 2012, 11:04:24 pm
wow Roachor is back Vedaras is back whats next Devs start to make updates?

Now back to the topic 7 shots sounds pretty sweet but isint the dmg still a lot smaller than the aim crit shots?
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 27, 2012, 11:26:04 pm
its way higher becouse you can easily score 2 crits within those 7 shots
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Trokanis on March 28, 2012, 01:28:58 am
Wich Wich Wich, My post was simply to show that there are dozens of overpowered builds, this isn't like it's suddenly a new thing.  Really the only sad thing about them is that people think making an overpowered super 2 shot kill build is the only way to play the game...  Kinda the reverse but meh to each their own. 

Btw, they weren't hacking or cheating, it's just the way the game is built, it is extremely exploitable.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Perteks on March 28, 2012, 07:46:49 am
It's not OP its just good to PVE in turns nothing more
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 28, 2012, 07:49:08 am
I don't see fast shot crit build working till they fix finesse
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Wichura on March 28, 2012, 09:43:36 am
Wich Wich Wich, My post was simply to show that there are dozens of overpowered builds, this isn't like it's suddenly a new thing.  Really the only sad thing about them is that people think making an overpowered super 2 shot kill build is the only way to play the game...  Kinda the reverse but meh to each their own. 

Btw, they weren't hacking or cheating, it's just the way the game is built, it is extremely exploitable.
Make yourself such overpowered build, whatever that is, then go to smash, rape and pillage for glory and lulz. Adapt or die, they say. Or deal with constant dying your lumberjack char, like I did. I mean it's a lumberjack, not a combat ape.

If I make let's say a sniper, that with enough luck (if critical hit occurs) is able to kill ~100 HP critter using one bullet, is it overpowered or just fits? If I make a big gunner tank, that uses expensive weapon, eats shitload of ammo but can erase ~200 HP critter from few hexes, is it overpowered or just fits? If I make a laser rifle spammer, able to shot 6 times per turn (Fast Shot + 10 AG + 2x Action Boy + BRoF, no exploits included), is it overpowered or just fits?

These "overpowered" "exploitable" complaints you are talking about are dangerous, because there is always a small chance that some dev can read them and, Cthulhu save us, believe them. And then we have nerf-fest again.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Bego on March 28, 2012, 11:41:40 am
These "overpowered" "exploitable" complaints you are talking about are dangerous, because there is always a small chance that some dev can read them and, Cthulhu save us, believe them. And then we have nerf-fest again.

Man, I owe ya a beer at Rawhide  ;D
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Stration on March 28, 2012, 02:41:55 pm
wtf -2? this needs to get on the wiki
It's been on the wiki since the 4 Feb 2012 revision (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fast_Shot&action=history) of the article (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Fast_Shot). Learn to read.

And yes, this trait is insanely overpowered, but it's not like there's anyone left to care about it.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Wichura on March 28, 2012, 02:55:44 pm
And yes, this trait is insanely overpowered, but it's not like there's anyone left to care about it.
Overpowered how?
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Wieprz on March 28, 2012, 02:59:39 pm
It works like this :

I can't kill this - Its Overpowered
I can Kill this - he is noob and im pro Uber pvpzor ape

Guys grow up...
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 28, 2012, 03:32:38 pm
i dont think its op ,that build is crippled outside of tb
it just seems illogical that rifles normally requiering more ap cost the same ap as pistols
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: codave on March 28, 2012, 03:38:15 pm
It works like this :

I can't kill this - Its Overpowered
I can Kill this - he is noob and im pro Uber pvpzor ape

Guys grow up...

I thought it was anything that can kill a BG tank is overpowered???
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Chrupek on March 28, 2012, 04:04:08 pm
Ive got an idea: post this overpowered rifleero 7shots/turn build, and we all can laugh how overpowered it is:] Or cut that crap.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: falloutdude on March 28, 2012, 04:17:34 pm
its really not op. its good for farming but for pvp its useless unless your fighting bluesuits .
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Edik on March 28, 2012, 04:34:25 pm
Ive got an idea: post this overpowered rifleero 7shots/turn build, and we all can laugh how overpowered it is:] Or cut that crap.
Maybe something like this (jet, nuka, cigs): http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=4139 (http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=4139)
I'm not saying it's op. Build like a build, got its pros and cons  :P
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Chrupek on March 28, 2012, 07:02:17 pm
Maybe something like this (jet, nuka, cigs): http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=4139 (http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=4139)
I'm not saying it's op. Build like a build, got its pros and cons  :P

Pretty nice, but far far away from 'overpowered' in any way.
ps: you can add drugs in fcp:)

So maybe some build for EW and crit hits?
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 28, 2012, 07:20:59 pm
Only way to make an ew 7 ap crit build involves laser pistol and 1 end, you know "op".
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Vandal on March 28, 2012, 07:45:30 pm
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5746/criticalspammer.png)
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 28, 2012, 07:49:25 pm
st 8 for a pistoler? make it 3 and pe 5 and add to en 10 and luck 10
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: RavenousRat on March 28, 2012, 07:51:23 pm
I think it's for a rifle and jet, so 8-2=6.

Edit:
FA+Doc :D lol
TB build with FA and Doc. And if you're going to use it in RT, then it's useless.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 28, 2012, 07:55:23 pm
rifle build with 180 ew ? please ::)
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Vandal on March 28, 2012, 07:56:21 pm
st 8 for a pistoler? make it 3 and pe 5 and add to en 10 and luck 10
-2 strength so after jet you have 6 strenght so you can use rifles, and tags are optional of course its not like it has to be "exact" from picture and from 44 hexes it's 95% hit chance to torso so yeah 180 % is enough ;)
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 28, 2012, 07:57:59 pm
torso? and who aim torso? this build is a complete shit
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Vandal on March 28, 2012, 07:58:46 pm
with fast shot you can't aim LOL it's spammer for TB and you obviously don't have a brain  ::)
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 28, 2012, 08:00:17 pm
and what for you need rifle in tb when all battles in tb are in close range? you are the one without brain
all of your posted builds are shit and bring only chaos to te noobs heads
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: RavenousRat on March 28, 2012, 08:02:40 pm
Yeah, better use plasma and magneto in case of arm cripple.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Vandal on March 28, 2012, 08:03:22 pm
and what for you need rifle in tb when all battles in tb are in close range? you are the one without brain
all of your posted builds are shit and bring only chaos to te noobs heads
i lol'd hard
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 28, 2012, 08:04:47 pm
you loled at yourself?
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Chrupek on March 28, 2012, 08:40:39 pm
you loled at yourself?

Facepalm... you cant get idea of this topic so please, stop posting here... fast shot aimer ^^.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: maciek83 on March 28, 2012, 08:44:02 pm
man ,clearly you didnt understood me
i kno he mean fast shooter , thing is nobody do fast shooter for long range fights , that just not happen
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Wichura on March 28, 2012, 09:12:36 pm
thing is nobody do fast shooter for long range fights , that just not happen
So I and my lazor spammer, we both just don't happen. Oh my.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Chrupek on March 28, 2012, 10:46:04 pm
man ,clearly you didnt understood me
i kno he mean fast shooter , thing is nobody do fast shooter for long range fights , that just not happen

you clearly dont get it. You need high ST, cause u use rifle (laser for example). You need high PE, cause its TB build. Im not sure how long does you play, but... well its just not true that there is no range fights. Ive seen all kinds of TB traps, including grid camping snipers, so high PE is good thing. Besides, almost any city tile gives you opportunity to hide 40hexes from spawns, so whats actually bad in having high pe?

And your advice to get 10 end... well it makes no sense (did you ever tried tb build?), since you wont get hit at all (bonus move + walls). Thats why you dont need any tougnesses, thats why jet has only pros in that build. Are we clear now?
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on March 28, 2012, 10:54:08 pm
chem resistant + jet + weapon handling + 1 str + magneto = fun
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: codave on March 29, 2012, 12:08:12 am
rifle build with 180 ew ? please ::)

Yeah, for un-called shots... it's enough for 95% at the max range of a laser rifle.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: codave on March 29, 2012, 12:09:41 am
and what for you need rifle in tb when all battles in tb are in close range? you are the one without brain
all of your posted builds are shit and bring only chaos to te noobs heads

Then show them up and post your perfect builds.  We'll wait while you back your big mouth up.

 ::)
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Trokanis on March 29, 2012, 02:13:06 am
Yeah why wouldn't TB fast shot be long range?  I kinda like hitting super mutants 7 times while being just a step away from out of range of everything they shoot?  TB gives you way better chances to be far away than RT combat, I dunno maybe I was doing my tb sniper wrong.  And yeah without finesse working it isn't as great a build as I thought, however I only ever encounter noobs going after bluesuits so it's still a bitch tactic.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Rain on May 19, 2012, 04:02:36 am
Yeah why wouldn't TB fast shot be long range?  I kinda like hitting super mutants 7 times while being just a step away from out of range of everything they shoot?  TB gives you way better chances to be far away than RT combat, I dunno maybe I was doing my tb sniper wrong.  And yeah without finesse working it isn't as great a build as I thought, however I only ever encounter noobs going after bluesuits so it's still a bitch tactic.
Finesse isnt working..??
 
Anyway,i have a ew critical spammer,high hp,and in long range especially,with his 16 ap,high range/view and in the worst case one crit on seven shots,it s very,very dangerous and effective.
Countered effectively only by tesla big gunners.
And long range happens quite often in tb,just take a look at sanfran ruins.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: LagMaster on May 19, 2012, 07:48:53 am
burst builds here i come

now i only need a name, DrugLag, FastLag, HighLag


dunno what to pick
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Gimper on May 22, 2012, 05:18:17 am
Actually, 9 shots are possible with one turn.
Correct me If im wrong.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: RavenousRat on May 22, 2012, 09:01:15 am
Actually, 9 shots are possible with one turn.
Correct me If im wrong.
Don't forget that you can eat unlimited number of cookies, cookie's effect is very short, so it's better eat them in TB. If cookie can be used on someone, then you need to be surrounded by 6 cookie-feeders and also use cookies yourself, so you'll be able to do around 50-60 AR shots per turn, because of animation of shooting, I don't think you would be able to do more shots at 30 seconds.
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: MRtrader on May 22, 2012, 09:54:44 am
Actually, 9 shots are possible with one turn.
Correct me If im wrong.
it depens if you shoot with a 4 ap shot or 5
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Gimper on May 22, 2012, 03:53:52 pm
it depens if you shoot with a 4 ap shot or 5
It only costs 2 ap.........
Title: Re: 7 shots from ar in one turn?
Post by: Roachor on May 22, 2012, 08:23:01 pm
12 ap + jet + rock = 14 punches a turn