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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Lukh on March 14, 2012, 09:05:46 pm
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I'm not much of a forum guy, kind of killing the rolleplay but they are in this world more serious matter.
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Cheers to "Prodigy" for this incredibly racist comment about Jew people.
Please tell me that kind of talking it totally prohibited from this game too!!!
(Screen shoot taken in NCR 20h30 +1GTM)
If I'm trolling or over reacting because of the killing (I shoot him after he steal from me, that's my kind of rolleplay xD ) just let me know.
Thanks for reading.
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I like jokes about jews, what wrong with it?
It same like jokes about Chuck Norris :P
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Why are you being such nigger? :P
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Some humorist tried to make jokes like this... Most ended in front of the justice and most of them lost.
But I might have no sense of humor. Who knows...
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Im in support of freedom of speech. Quit being such a nazi (get it? get it!? talk was about jews)
But seriously, I think in-game you have the right to say anything as disgusting as you want. Maybe not on the forum because it's more connected to reality.
And what if I want to roleplay a racist? It's not me, it's my character.
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I never heard Judaism was a religion in Fonline... Make joke about Gouls, BoH and so on that is rolleplay.
I'm still not convincing that "Jew jokes" as u seems to call it have any part to play in Fallout universe.
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But seriously, I think in-game you have the right to say anything as disgusting as you want. Maybe not on the forum because it's more connected to reality.
Roleplay racism yes, but there are no Jews in FOnline, so obviously he was offending him as a person, not his ingame character :)
I was once a witness of one player in NCR being banned for offending someone else's mother. Long time ago, but better watch your words.
The way he said it, it's funny though :)
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I find it unlikely that all religion besides the ones created for the game would suddenly be non-existant just because there was a nuclear war.
Just because it is never mentioned doesn't mean such things (like the idea of Jews and Christians etc) does not exist in the Fallout universe, because it in fact does, as it is based on the real world but set at a later date with a few sci-fi elements added to it.
Though I don't find his taste in humor any good... Like Chocolate Chip I firmly believe in the right to say anything you want to anyone in game. (Devs and GMs being the obvious exception, respect necessary for certain authorities).
Who knows, maybe the guy found a holodisk record of the holocaust stemming from the natzi view-point and he gained this point of view from it. ;) ;D
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It's not cool that he said what he said and I don't support racism or anything but I strongly believe in freedom of speech.
Only communists control what you say. You're not a communist are you?
Maybe next you want to control what god I pray to? And make me hang a big picture of Stalin in my living room.
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Racism is about races. Unless Jewish is now an official race along with Chinese and Black, then this is antisemitism. And if people simply ignored stupid comments then the world would have a lot less thought-police going on.
Are you a Jew? If not. Why do you care what he calls you?
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Define "freedom of speech" though and name your source(s).
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I love all of these faulty reasons to allow true racism from players. Your country's(-ies') freedoms of speech do not apply in an international game like this. Also, it's nothing to do with "roleplay".
But really, just ignore the trolls like that, and the problem goes away. FOnline has knack for attracting trolls.
ps: looser = more loose; loser = opposite of winner :>
Unless Jewish is now an official race along with Chinese and Black, then this is antisemitism
It's still a form of racism. And besides, Jewish can be considered an ethnicity, too. Not that that makes it acceptable.
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Thanks for all the fast answers. From what I understand I have overreacted.
A forum wont change my point of view. I believe in one rule (out of roleplay mostly of course :) ) that is "your freedom stops where other's freedom starts".
I'm still convince that none of you would speak that freely to a total stranger in the streets afraid of facing consequences of your speech.
It's not communism, it's respect (or maybe it's just the way I've been raised).
My last hope was about "Video game content rating system" but all of them rated Fallout 1&2 for mature users only so there is not much I can say to that. Prodigy's comment isn't that strong regarding other contents.
My pride is hurt folks, wasteland really is a f****** b****.
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No, it's not roleplay it's just stupid kid behind computer screen offending other people.
In most other games such person would be kicked right away.
Here for some reason some people think it's okay because "it's wasteland". No it's not.
Roleplay is just stupid excuse to get away with it.
In fact racism or other hostile speech is against game rules. In extreme cases such person can be banned.
But fighting with every case is pointless. When there is 200 people on server it's impossible to control
every word and GM must be a witness.
I hope some day there will be added an option to mute particular players.
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Thats cheers me up!
+1 for the feature of ignore trolling.
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Define "freedom of speech" though and name your source(s).
Freedom of speech (at least in the US) only prohibits a Governmental authority from engaging in activities or legislation that prevents free speech. IE, can't make laws against bashing Jews.
However, this does NOT apply to private property, which this server would fall under. Meaning, the people that run it set the rules... and if they say bashing Jew's is not allowed, that is not them infringing on your rights. You are still able to do it, just not in THEIR backyard.
Then there is the international thing as well, though I'm not sure how that would apply specifically.
But mostly, Dev's server, Dev's rules. Not a free speech issue in the traditional sense.
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Just a quick thing from the history that we as a thinking human should know already-racism is bad and leads us to wars witch is also bad...you get the point
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My opinion? I would ban that kid just for his own stupidity,if that is all...maybe after few bans,people would more take care what they say...or maybe instead of ban,take him something for valuable. That would pi** him off more that everything else :D
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@Kyle yeah lets take his internet connection :D that would kill him xD its sad that kids nowdays cant do anything without internet..
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I'm not much of a forum guy, kind of killing the rolleplay but they are in this world more serious matter.
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4171/sanstitredaz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/sanstitredaz.jpg/)
Cheers to "Prodigy" for this incredibly racist comment about Jew people.
Please tell me that kind of talking it totally prohibited from this game too!!!
(Screen shoot taken in NCR 20h30 +1GTM)
If I'm trolling or over reacting because of the killing (I shoot him after he steal from me, that's my kind of rolleplay xD ) just let me know.
Thanks for reading.
You are totally right.If i remember good,once a guy named FUCKRUSSIA was banned for racism by a GM.So,this might be the case too.If it's not,mate,this is no hello kitty.This is hell,this game is pure sadism.You know you will face scum whan you log on,you must be mentally prepared and give no fucks about that.
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Freedom of Speech
The right of the people to speak out against government tyranny. This is a right all people have in all countries and can be seen as an obligation even more than a freedom. However, not all people recognize their own obligations (or freedoms) so many people erroneously think it's just a USA thing.
Then there's the people in the USA, who over time have been led to believe it is a right to simply "speak your mind" about anything. This is a deception however, as nobody could ever have that right. In fact many things that are said should never have been said, and some are so bad that justice systems will penalize you for it. One person's right to not have their character unfairly attacked, for example, can be justly defended in a court of law and that's when the "i have a right to say anything" people realize they don't actually have such a right. The "founding fathers" of the USA wanted to make sure the people here knew they had a right to oppose tyranny, even if people in other countries don't realize it. It has nothing to do with your perceived right to have crappy music blaring too loudly.
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I think exemplary ban would make the server a bit better place.
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I think exemplary ban would make the server a bit better place.
I'd be comfortable with it...
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GM wont ban anyone because they weren't there when it happened...
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I gave place and time in my post in case the serv keep chat's record.
Lets hope that this guy was "one of a kind".
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Lets hope that this guy was "one of a kind".
He's obviously not.
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Marko is right about the "freedom of speech" thing. But to a certain extent.
"Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, sexism, and other hate speech are almost always permitted."
I'm not saying that devs or mods or whatever can't limit speech. They can do whatever they want.
But I don't support telling someone what they can and can't say.
Personally I think the guy did overreact because no one really knows who you are on an online game so who cares what he says.
People are such babies these days. Man up guys. You're like a child in a playground pointing fingers "He called me bad word"
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i think that in this game te only way to controll it is if the agressed person car prove that it was a racist insult and not a joke, via screenshots and all means posible, then they should ban the cahracter. as in a ropeplay game here in my country called AO.
if you insult somebody in a mean way(like: yo fucking jew go get some gas) and they get a screenshot of you saying that and of the previous conversation. images are sent to gms and they ban your character ass outta the server
simple as that,
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if you insult somebody in a mean way(like: yo fucking jew go get some gas) and they get a screenshot of you saying that and of the previous conversation. images are sent to gms and they ban your character ass outta the server
simple as that,
Says the guy with "FA yourself, faggot" in his personal text.
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Says the guy with "FA yourself, faggot" in his personal text.
what with that? taht was an ingame episode that was funny. and not racist and has to do with the game gameplay...
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I'm not saying that devs or mods or whatever can't limit speech. They can do whatever they want.
But I don't support telling someone what they can and can't say.
Personally I think the guy did overreact because no one really knows who you are on an online game so who cares what he says.
People are such babies these days. Man up guys. You're like a child in a playground pointing fingers "He called me bad word"
My thoughts exactly.
And OXXON, don't even try to defend yourself at this point, you already lost. XD
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Racism isn't the only thing that's offensive in speech. Your personal text is homophobic.
And according to what you wrote, I could get a screenshot of you saying "FA yourself, faggot." and get your "ass outta the server"
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Racism isn't the only thing that's offensive in speech. Your personal text is homophobic.
And according to what you wrote, I could get a screenshot of you saying "FA yourself, faggot." and get your "ass outta the server"
oh my god, you re so annoying...
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Homophobe.
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If any GM witnesses such behaviour directly in the game, the person in question will be banned, or atleast jailed as this shit is not allowed. Since the thread doesn't go anywhere, I'll lock it, thanks to the OP for the report.