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Title: Double-Log?
Post by: Dantiko on January 21, 2012, 04:37:29 pm
I got this encounter when I was wandering in city areas, so I think it's a double log, because a guy with his name and a dot, and another guy with the same name and 2 dots, well, see for yourself:
(https://i.imgur.com/s5R19.jpg)
hajper. and hajper..
lol
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Crazy on January 21, 2012, 04:40:31 pm
No, it's just he entered two times in the same encounter. Sentences ends by dots, and he have a dot at the end of his nick, therefore two dots.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Tomowolf on January 21, 2012, 04:53:50 pm
I saw them in one encouter, yes they are double loging - but what could be done there?
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: White Eagle on January 21, 2012, 05:04:08 pm
i saw multi-log lol nothing new ;)

(http://shrani.si/f/L/1T/1DJ39wSD/multilog.jpg)




Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: avv on January 21, 2012, 05:16:16 pm
Quote from: White Eagle on January 21, 2012, 05:04:08 pm
i saw multi-log lol nothing new ;)

Looks like he's gonna make a shared tent or base. Allowing invites to tents would fix this. Loners should be able to buy base aswell.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Lonelylurker on January 21, 2012, 07:57:28 pm
Agreed.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Stration on January 21, 2012, 08:18:32 pm
Dual logging = cheating = ban.

At least that's how it should work, but since GMs are never online, no wonder we're having people entering towns with 100 of their chars named BobSniper1, BobSniper2, BobSniper3, etc. all the time.

Quote from: avv on January 21, 2012, 05:16:16 pm
Looks like he's gonna make a shared tent or base. Allowing invites to tents would fix this. Loners should be able to buy base aswell.
Cheating is cheating, no matter what the reason behind it might be, and should always result in a permban.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Kelin on January 21, 2012, 08:21:24 pm
Quote from: White Eagle on January 21, 2012, 05:04:08 pm
i saw multi-log lol nothing new ;)
Proof? This is not multi-log you Sherlock  ::)
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: White Eagle on January 21, 2012, 08:46:08 pm
you can see that he write in chat '' stupid asian proxy'' xD
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: spitfire182 on January 21, 2012, 09:56:55 pm
Quote from: Stration on January 21, 2012, 08:18:32 pm
Cheating is cheating, no matter what the reason behind it might be, and should always result in a permban.
Not everything in the world is black or white.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Reiniat on January 21, 2012, 10:05:10 pm
Quote from: avv on January 21, 2012, 05:16:16 pm
Looks like he's gonna make a shared tent or base. Allowing invites to tents would fix this. Loners should be able to buy base aswell.
+1000000000 it sucks to have to cheat to make harmless stuff like that
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Swinglinered on January 21, 2012, 11:01:28 pm
Quote from: Reiniat on January 21, 2012, 10:05:10 pm
+1000000000 it sucks to have to cheat to make harmless stuff like that

Harmless?

Logistic capability is power.

This is to be arranged/acquired through teamwork.

Multi-logging to make tents/etc. means free power.

(In this case power of maneuver (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/maneuver).)

again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuver)
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: avv on January 22, 2012, 02:12:44 am
Tentmaking and basebuying might be power, but it's something that gets done anyway. With dual log it gets done more comfortably because you don't have to bother your friends with unsurprising tasks.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Reiniat on January 22, 2012, 03:12:30 am
i was thinking in the "forebur alone" guys, they deserve some fair, not cheating,  chances too
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Swinglinered on January 22, 2012, 05:48:33 am
Quote from: Reiniat on January 22, 2012, 03:12:30 am
i was thinking in the "forebur alone" guys, they deserve some fair, not cheating,  chances too

Use fast-relog and radio beacon for tents.
Worked in previous wipes.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Stration on January 22, 2012, 08:32:34 am
Quote from: avv on January 22, 2012, 02:12:44 am
Tentmaking and basebuying might be power, but it's something that gets done anyway. With dual log it gets done more comfortably because you don't have to bother your friends with unsurprising tasks.
And if someone uses an aimbot, that would also be OK, because aiming "gets done" anyway, and with an aimbot it simply "gets done more comfortably."
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Reiniat on January 25, 2012, 02:14:07 am
Quote from: Swinglinered on January 22, 2012, 05:48:33 am
Use fast-relog and radio beacon for tents.
Worked in previous wipes.

I tried and it didnt work, new feature, bug or what?
Should i use doublelog to get a shared tent?
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: wladimiiir on January 25, 2012, 08:14:34 am
Quote from: White Eagle on January 21, 2012, 05:04:08 pm
i saw multi-log lol nothing new ;)

(http://shrani.si/f/L/1T/1DJ39wSD/multilog.jpg)
I dont think they were multi-logging. They were asking each other what to do and who to tag (in their language), so it seemed like there was multiple people there.  :D
And I was there as you can see. ;D
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: avv on January 25, 2012, 12:55:56 pm
Quote from: Reiniat on January 25, 2012, 02:14:07 am
I tried and it didnt work, new feature, bug or what?
Should i use doublelog to get a shared tent?

Yes it does work. (tried about 3 days ago)

But I don't get it how doing it with dual log is considered cheating if the result is the same.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Swarm on January 25, 2012, 01:34:59 pm
I think its safe to assume they fixed fast log radio distress as of course it made the game that much easier and after we all we don't want an easy game now.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: bobek289 on January 25, 2012, 02:14:22 pm
avv what are you talking about? How does that work? I want to make shared tent but dont know how to do it without double loggin, since all my friends i played with abandoned game after wipe  :-\
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Kelin on January 25, 2012, 02:28:00 pm
It's so simple.
Character 1: enters area
Character 1: sends distress
relog
Character 2: enters red circle
Character 2: tags Character 1 (Ch2 needs to be very close)
relog
Character 1: uses science on hides

Both characters have radio in their hands and tuned a same channel, obviously.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: avv on January 25, 2012, 02:49:32 pm
Quote from: Kelin on January 25, 2012, 02:28:00 pm
It's so simple.
Character 1: enters area
Character 1: sends distress
relog
Character 2: enters red circle
Character 2: tags Character 1 (Ch2 needs to be very close)
relog
Character 1: uses science on hides

Both characters have radio in their hands and tuned a same channel, obviously.

Like this. It works for buying bases and getting quests that demand more than one people. It's enough that the char is ingame, even if it's logged off. Anything that requires multiple players to do is completely doable alone with alts and alts/multilog/proxies. If you make it impossible for logged off chars to count in the char check, players will use dual log. If you disallow dual log, players will use proxy. If you put skill requirements, players will bring their alts, duh  ::)

The "need multiple chars to do this" just aint working. It's bypassable by loopholes and those who refuse to use loopholes get annoyed and demand justice.

Players like challenge and overcoming challenges. However if challenges are set in ways that demand loophole methods to bypass, they will do it. This is why challenges need to be set so that one can overcome them by fair and square skilled gameplay and cheating has no effect.
Features like that should simply have the difficulty setting put in such magnitude that even multiboxer can't compete. TC is good example of succesful teamwork requiring quest: you can't defeat multiple players with multibox. This can be withnessed in one of Res' videos where he smashes some BHH proxies.
Turn based pve is another pretty decent one. Skilled use of terrain and knowing the ai reactions to your movement awards rewards. Surely there are ways to abuse the ai but so far fair tb fight is okay too, at least for me.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: bobek289 on January 25, 2012, 05:19:17 pm
It is simple. But i dont know how to send distress  ;D Never did that  :-X
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Reiniat on January 25, 2012, 06:55:21 pm
".help" for distress, radio must be in your hand.
Yep, it was my mistake, i was using 1CH, already created a 3 chars shared tent. THANKS!
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: ThePhoenix77 on January 25, 2012, 07:07:51 pm
Quote from: bobek289 on January 25, 2012, 05:19:17 pm
It is simple. But i dont know how to send distress  ;D Never did that  :-X
put radio in hand
type .h or /h followed by message i.e /hMeet in NCR courtyard next to statue.
(you can send false messages with your distress to decoy people you don't want to find you like in the first example - when actually you are in empty map just outside of gecko mine and want to set up a shared tent) Point is if the person/people you are meeting know your going to send false message that is distress they will know where to find you if you tell them before hand, you could use 2 radios on different frequency, 1st to tell them where to meet and then 2nd send the distress.
Or .hHelp I'm in encounter with deathclaws, floaters and centaurs.

Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Stration on January 25, 2012, 07:19:29 pm
Quote from: avv on January 25, 2012, 02:49:32 pm
I'm not completely sure about this one, but fast relogging, i.e., logging in with another character when the previous one is logged off but still in the game is not allowed. It would be nice if a GM could reply to this topic and clarify things a bit.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: pistacja on January 25, 2012, 08:15:09 pm
GM/admins don't care:

Quote from: Lexx on January 16, 2012, 11:29:09 am
There is no way we can establish a big brother-esque surveillance system, so catching people who dual log is rather random and uneven. Some people will be fucked while lots of other people just don't care and never get caught. So, yeah. As long as you don't abuse game features with dual logging, we don't care anymore. That's not ":\" news, it is ":)" news, because now the few people who just traded items in their tent will keep their characters unbanned.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: JovankaB on January 25, 2012, 09:54:09 pm
Quote from: Stration on January 25, 2012, 07:19:29 pm
I'm not completely sure about this one, but fast relogging, i.e., logging in with another character when the previous one is logged off but still in the game is not allowed. It would be nice if a GM could reply to this topic and clarify things a bit.

Apparently it is allowed now but a dev didn't care enough to edit 2 lines in rules when I suggested it.

And how players are supposed to respect gamed rules ::)
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: ThePhoenix77 on January 25, 2012, 11:22:36 pm
So where has the 10 minute time-out for re-logging gone if it's still banned?
As far as I can see = with no time-out fast logging is permitted.
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Mabus on January 26, 2012, 07:41:30 pm
Proxy for losers.  ;D Real men use VB or VMware  :P
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Caled on January 27, 2012, 10:06:32 am
Quote from: Mabus on January 26, 2012, 07:41:30 pm
Proxy for losers.  ;D Real men use VB or VMware  :P

This sentence makes no sense. Proxies and virtual machines are not used for the same thing at all.
Real men use both at the same time for maximum effectiveness :P
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: Mabus on January 27, 2012, 05:24:27 pm
Caled, do not try teach father how to fuck...  8)
Title: Re: Double-Log?
Post by: yoz on January 27, 2012, 05:59:57 pm
LOL