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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: HawK-EyE on February 21, 2010, 06:03:17 pm
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Hey guys, i'm afraid about what i'm going to tell you but i got really sad news.
There are apparently some people that are hacking different accounts in game.
We already have several members which password were changed, like Pozzolabrute, Pozzolapute, Lemarkmine, Keskow, a lot of us got "Knock Knock" while playing. One of our members KinKraft got a big surprise when he encounter his own main character Kinkin inside our base just in front of him !
This last action gives us a proof of some accounts' hackers, that's why we started some investigations.
edit : we primarily thought it was coming from this website => www deckard fr but it appears it wasn't from them. Investigations are still in process.
I know that developpers have a lot of work to do and are not supposed to take care of these things. Nonetheless, even thought it was just a a little annoying situation 2 or 3 month ago (when our base was wiped, we managed to craft back every single item they steal 1 week after and we doubled every items 2 week after), now it's like another dimension of cheating / game abuse. When some guys are using 3rd party programs and trojans this should concern everybody, and everybody should be warned about this.
I think you guys should be more strict about cheating / game abuse / trolling and you should ban much more people. This is just a beta-test, everybody know that this game is not finished and this is a very long process to do it. While this process, you cannot be always looking after people who are not interesting in testing this game or playing fair. Anyone who is insulting or trolling in this forum should be banned, anyone who is not helping you during this process, anyone who makes you loose more and more time with constant flamming and trolling because "this game sucks" should be banned. Anyone who doesnt care about what you say or what you do about this game and pretend that GM or devs are useless should be banned.
This game have some important rules, and anyone that doesn't agree with this rules shouldn't be allowed to play it. Devs and GMs deserve some respect from everybody and this respect wont be acquired without actions. Don't forget that if you ban just a bunch of members but for some good reason, everybody will agree with you and they will understand what can be or cannot be done in this game. I'm just looking forward to see more strict GMs and people who show them better respect in the future.
Sincerely,
HawK-EyE, General of Cajuns
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Shit man, this made me rethink some stuff. Suddenly my respect against Cajuns and NA raised from <0 to +10000. HOLY SHIT MAN i was doing some PVP with TAD and now i feel really ashamed. Also, i once opened that site long ago. So, im infected?
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good firewall / antivir should be able to protect you ...
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Edit the link to only text, so no one won't accidentally click it.
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Hey guyz, hey cajun's leader,
I'am glad you bring to the fonline community the fact that our website is currently infected by a worm.
Of course we are not trying to hack your beautiful carebear community. This website is for our own uses and I'am
very interested when you said that some of your members are registered in our forum. If you give me their account
names i will be very pleased to kick their ass off this site as you do for us on your own.
So, we do not put on our own website a trojan. We do not care about you or your proofless accusation. You just use
this against us to ruin our reputation.
LapinMalin, president of the Internet and occasional speaker for The Amboy Dukes.
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It seems obvious to me that Cajuns wanted to infiltrate The Amboy Dukes' team and they got rickrolled instead. How funny is that.
Kilgore, The Keeper of The Holy BBS Spear
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I find this thread incredibly hilarious.
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Nice_Boat, just a simple plumber.
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Of course we are not trying to hack your beautiful carebear community.
Wow, you gain even more trust with sentences like that. :)
And I agree with Hawkeye, there should be more strict rules.
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One of our members got his computer hacked when surfing on this website, all informations in his computer could be read
I hope one day we will be able to write sentences like Cajuns do, so we can be trusted more ::)
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Wow, you gain even more trust with sentences like that. :)
And I agree with Hawkeye, there should be more strict rules.
What the hell would they need your trust for? And rules? Rules for what? What you do with your own website? Are you high or something?
If Cajuns tried to infiltrate Amboys outside of the game (I mean, what the hell were they looking for on their forums?) and were expected and pwned outside of the game (which is a ridiculous notion, but hey - let's give OP the benefit of a doubt and use our suppression of disbelief for a second), than all the glory to the Amboys for a hilarious way of countering this threat.
If Cajuns accidentally got their computers infected while trying to infiltrate Amboys and were just unlucky with losing accounts due to some mystery hacker or whatever, than bringing it up here like that is even better as far as comedy factor is concerned.
Either way Amboys look totally badass or totally innocent, and Cajuns look like sore losers and crybabies.
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Nice_Boat, used to be a plumber, now the Best Lawyer in the Known Universe.
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What the hell would they need your trust for? And rules? Rules for what? What you do with your own website? Are you high or something?
You did read the first post? ::)
And yeah, we all know infamous Nice_Boat and all his friends, everyone else is just a "carebear". :)
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And yeah, we all know infamous Nice_Boat and all his friends, everyone else is just a "carebear". Smiley
Well, id say youre more infamous than Nice_Boat.
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hawk it your Decission ;] your enter it ( or you enter porn Side on other page ;]) .
'' Also, when someone use TROJANS, to get acces to MEMBERS ACCOUNTS, they should be banned from game too. ''
yayaa i want ban you for use illegal Drugs ( psycho ) BAN HIM .
'' I have Trojan on Computer please Ban me for it :< .'' hawk where is Rule about Trojans ???
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Well, id say youre more infamous than Nice_Boat.
You've been around on NMA when this stupid "Wasteland is harsh!!111" "Go Play WoW" etc. started? :D
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hawk it your Decission ;] your enter it ( or you enter porn Side on other page ;]) .
'' Also, when someone use TROJANS, to get acces to MEMBERS ACCOUNTS, they should be banned from game too. ''
yayaa i want ban you for use illegal Drugs ( psycho ) BAN HIM .
'' I have Trojan on Computer please Ban me for it :< .'' hawk where is Rule about Trojans ???
WHEN he has something to do with this whole hacker-thing, then he (or whoever used them) should get banned for using the accounts of other players without their permission. The trojan self has nothing to do with this.
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You did read the first post? ::)
I did, but I read it and understood it which seems to be too much of a task for you. But hey, I'm a bit of a carebear myself so I'm going to explain:
a) the issue of using 3rd party programs and requesting developer's reaction
- if it happened like Hawk-Eye said (which is doubtful to say the least) everything happened outside of the game;
- the only thing that had to do with the game was the information obtained;
- using that information (ie. logging in) is not a punishable deed on this server;
- as far as I know 2238 administration doesn't have fighting cyber-crime in their job description, so why on Earth would some infected website concern them?;
- even if you assume it's their business, how the hell do you expect them to conduct an investigation? They have no access to Amboy website, Hawk-Eye's computer and in general are simply powerless in this situation;
b) the notion of infecting your gang website to get some other player's password out
- believe it or not, websites tend to get infected against their owners' will;
- gang sites are mostly visited by gang members only, nobody is expecting Cajuns on Amboy site;
- when hostile gangs visit your forums, they generally tend to want to cause harm by obtaining sensitive information etc. - why would you empathise with that?;
- to set a trap up, Amboys would have to accept the risk of infecting their own computers - even at the high-trust groups like BBS, that would cause a massive "screw you, no way" reaction from the members;
- obtaining information like that is a crime in most countries; no sane person would risk going to jail after some 2238 game account.
So not only is the notion of some hacker warfare going on between Cajuns and Amboys totally ludicrous, but also the idea that devs should react in any way is laughable.
And yeah, we all know infamous Nice_Boat and all his friends, everyone else is just a "carebear". :)
It's funny how you support a dude who just accused another person of a criminal offence without presenting any evidence and than expect the accused to prove you that he's innocent and worthy of your trust (as if that ever mattered ::) ). I wouldn't call you a carebear, I'd call you a nazi. And if you're not, you sure do behave like one right now.
But yeah, there's an awful lot of carebears and stupid people (yeah, anyone buying OP's bullshit on the basis of what he said is just plain dumb) around these days.
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Nice_Boat, the unsurpassed BBS leader
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sometime hawk can be drunked and give account password on /s . in NCR and stop talk to ban all Amboy -.-
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You've been around on NMA when this stupid "Wasteland is harsh!!111" "Go Play WoW" etc. started? :D
Ive been around NMA, but i guess ive missed that. Enlighten me :)
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Maybe you should read the posts more careful before posting such bullshit?
I don't even know "The Cajuns" or whatever because I'm not into those gangnames etc, neither do I know who Hawk-Eye is.
I didn't even write one single word about what I think of this issue in the thread here ( even though it's bad that ones account was "hacked", but these "proofs" here aren't that much, as you said the website could be infected without the owners will).
Then one member of "TAD" has posted here, again with insults. Why? If he's innocent (which I assume) why he has to put childish words in it?
And - there wasn't just things about the Trojan in the first post, more about general rules which has nothing to do with "hacking" etc - there I agreed, not on this "THEY HACKED ME" thing. So don't try to be smartass just because you aren't able to read posts proper.
It's funny how you support a dude who just accused another person of a criminal offence without presenting any evidence and than expect the accused to prove you that he's innocent and worthy of your trust.
Again, no one has to prove something to me, because I don't care. No one has to gain my trust. And see above, I didn't support him in this "account hacked" issue. And yeah "OMG that dude is german, he's a nazi!1111". Maybe you should overthink your choice of words next time, when you want that people take you serious.
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Maybe you should read the posts more careful before posting such bullshit?
I don't even know "The Cajuns" or whatever because I'm not into those gangnames etc, neither do I know who Hawk-Eye is.
I didn't even write one single word about what I think of this issue in the thread here ( even though it's bad that ones account was "hacked", but these "proofs" here aren't that much, as you said the website could be infected without the owners will).
So why are you posting here?
Then one member of "TAD" has posted here, again with insults. Why? If he's innocent (which I assume) why he has to put childish words in it?
If I called you a paedophile on the street with absolutely no basis aside from the fact that I dislike you (which in case of Hawk-Eye and Amboys is a known fact for anyone who, erm, is into "those gang issues" you don't know anything about), how would you respond? The proper reaction when something like that happens is to tell the guy to f**k off.
And - there wasn't just things about the Trojan in the first post, more about general rules which has nothing to do with "hacking" etc - there I agreed, not on this "THEY HACKED ME" thing. So don't try to be smartass just because you aren't able to read posts proper.
You mean the part where he made another, less grave accusation with absolutely no proof or the part where he basically said to "ban f**king everyone"? ;D As far as you go, I quoted your post solely because of that "trust" thingie. Because this matter shouldn't be judged based on a childish who-trusts-whom, it should be carefully investigated to prevent stuff like that happening in the future.
Again, no one has to prove something to me, because I don't care. No one has to gain my trust. And see above, I didn't support him in this "account hacked" issue. And yeah "OMG that dude is german, he's a nazi!1111". Maybe you should overthink your choice of words next time, when you want that people take you serious.
I didn't call you a nazi because you're German (I couldn't care less about your nationality), I did call you a nazi because your post has an awful "guilty until proven innocent" feel to it, which is the exact opposite of how civilized people deal with things.
Seriously now, if anyone should be banned it should be Hawk-Eye. Whatever you say, he threw a lot of dirt with absolutely no basis and even if his accusations get proven false, some of his crap is going to stick. This is too serious a matter to be treated like that.
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Ok it seems it was a false accusation, maybe there is no link between the "Worm" on the Amboy Website, and the Hackings of multiple accounts.
Also there isn't any proof to know if what Amboys said about this worm was true, and we don't have any proof to accuse them, so this is just nonsense trolling to talk about it anymore. I'm making apologizes to Amboys Dukes if i was wrong about their website.
However, this doesn't change the fact that some of our members got their accounts hacked and some of our players got their accounts' passwords changed. This doesn't change the fact that a lot of people in this game doesn't care about what GMs or Devs are doing. This doesn't change the fact that a lot of people don't know thats this game got Rules.
This post was much about strict rules than about The Amboy Dukes or any other faction, it was just an example. The main important question is that password accounts are way too easy to break. You can still talk about who is "carebear", who is "crybaby", who is "badass" or who is "innocent", and that would be a very nice trolling party, but this will be pointless.
I didn't get infected with this Trojan or anything else, i didn't get my account hacked either, i'm just reporting some facts my teamates told me and and i'm talking about what could be done in this game to improve its security.
I'm also talking about In-game and Out-game Rules, and i think that some people doesn't deserve to play it. Too many people are forgetting about what has been done in this game during the past 2 years. An like every online game there should be Important Rules and GMs should have the right to ban people who don't respect it.
More constructive talks about the Rules of this game, and less trolling about who did what, and who is your daddy, thank you.
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So why are you posting here?
I am sorry sir, do I have to sign a claim in order to be able to post here?
If I called you a paedophile on the street with absolutely no basis aside from the fact that I dislike you (which in case of Hawk-Eye and Amboys is a known fact for anyone who, erm, is into "those gang issues" you don't know anything about), how would you respond? The proper reaction when something like that happens is to tell the guy to f**k off.
The "proper" reaction would be more to laugh at this person or just ignore him completely. Seriously, all I wanted to say is - if one is innocent (which - again - I assume he is) why even respond? Or why put insults in? I don't get it. As I said, if one accuses you that you did thing xy (but you haven't), simply ignore it or atleast write something without childish words in it.
You mean the part where he made another, less grave accusation with absolutely no proof or the part where he basically said to "ban f**king everyone"? ;D As far as you go, I quoted your post solely because of that "trust" thingie. Because this matter shouldn't be judged based on a childish who-trusts-whom, it should be carefully investigated to prevent stuff like that happening in the future.
Again, did you read it carefully? I agreed with making stricter rules, not just "ban everyone" (which is pointless anyway).
I didn't call you a nazi because you're German (I couldn't care less about your nationality), I did call you a nazi because your post has an awful "guilty until proven innocent" feel to it, which is the exact opposite of how civilized people deal with things.
See above.
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I'm also talking about In-game and Out-game Rules, and i think that some people doesn't deserve to play it. Too many people are forgetting about what has been done in this game during the past 2 years. An like every online game there should be Important Rules and GMs should have the right to ban people who don't respect it.
More constructive talks about the Rules of this game, and less trolling about who did what, and who is your daddy, thank you.
Yeah, that was all I wanted to say.
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Ummm... regardless the way i see it if the dukes were aware of the worm and didnt do anything about it thats at least pretty suspicious. Im not making any accusations but just looking at the facts of the situation. even then, why do clans need their own websites?? it seems pretty lame to me to take something that far.
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Salut mes cochonnes et Hello people! ;-)
Hey guys nevermind at all...
So, I have a lot of respect for Cajuns, I think in particular, KinKin, LeMark, Berko... but Hawk-Eye takes the cork too far... Moreover on this childish subject, Hawk-Eye, if you continue to persist, you are going to hurt, you are on a stormy ground...
Eolithe, Leader of The Special Cleaning Service For Tents And Bases (all sizes ;p).
PS: Please, give me your adress, I will clean up your tent or base. :)
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Thanks for your apologizes HawK-EyE.
Can you also edit your first post and remove sentences like :
This website (http://www deckard fr/ <- DON'T CLICK !) is a well known dangerous site, it send you a Trojan, which give them acces to your computer and obviously give some of FOnline accounts passwords.
Now they are using 3rd party programs and Trojans in order to keep on doing more and more abuse on this game.
Since you want this topic to be about security problems in the game and Important Rules, I think difamation against us is not required anymore.
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Thanks for your apologizes HawK-EyE.
Can you also edit your first post and remove sentences like :Since you want this topic to be about security problems in the game and Important Rules, I think difamation against us is not required anymore.
i was doing it before you asked for it :)
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So, I have a lot of respect for Cajuns, I think in particular, KinKin, LeMark, Berko...
And for that reason you flame on us on the french part of the forum ?
At least we have a clue about all that : the man who stole our characters were talking in french when we met him (because he tried to make us believe that he was from our team).
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At least we have a clue about all that : the man who stole our characters were talking in french when we met him.
damn it, difamation again?
Too late Pozzo, the time for it is done, now the topic is about game rules and passwords security.
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At least we have a clue about all that : the man who stole our characters were talking in french when we met him (because he tried to make us believe that he was from our team).
He is right and i forgot about this piece of evidence, he was talking in french, thats why we think about you on first place.
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Anyway, there's another topic about hacked accounts ; I'm thinking that this discussion about rules is getting interesting. Focus on it.
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He could use translator ;)
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And for that reason you flame on us on the french part of the forum ?
I never flame in French Forum. Izual has never erased my posts... But Hawk-Eyes, yes.
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I remembered that some guys found trojan in launcher.exe, with Kaspersky antivirus. When it was just released. But I never cheked it, so dont mind it really.
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I remembered that some guys found trojan in launcher.exe, with Kaspersky antivirus. When it was just released. But I never cheked it, so dont mind it really.
you mean " TR/AutoHK.CK' [trojan] " ? whatever it is... I've found it once too but not remember it was in Launcher.exe for TLA or 2238
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Okay... now that is scaring me and making me paranoid.
*Reaches over to the FOnline folder and hits delete out of paranoia* >.>
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He could use translator ;)
No translator, he uses common slang familiar language.
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you mean " TR/AutoHK.CK' [trojan] " ? whatever it is... I've found it once too but not remember it was in Launcher.exe for TLA or 2238
No need to be paranoid. As i remember, there were some stuff like that, but it was only some antivirus glitch or smth like that. No other antiviruses detected it. Cant remember exacly, but yeah, wasnt anything bad.
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Yes, it was just paranoia, there's no Trojan in the client.
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thats why i say ubuntu for the winners ^^
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The thought of someone taking the time and effort to make a virus to steal accounts for this specific free game and then letting it loose in teh intertubes, hoping that someone from the games playerbase takes the bait is kinda amusing.
Ever thought about the password beeing....too simple?
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The thought of someone taking the time and effort to make a virus to steal accounts for this specific free game and then letting it loose in teh intertubes, hoping that someone from the games playerbase takes the bait is kinda amusing.
Ever thought about the password beeing....too simple?
I don't know what to think about this trojan stuff but I m pretty sure that there are some guys out there which lifes are so empty they could actually take the time to do exactly what you describe.
After all, I spend several hours a week left clicking on a virtual pile of rock...
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The thought of someone taking the time and effort to make a virus to steal accounts for this specific free game and then letting it loose in teh intertubes, hoping that someone from the games playerbase takes the bait is kinda amusing.
Ever thought about the password beeing....too simple?
The problem is that there is not only one account hacked, but many.
Strange thing : no more hacks(for now) since this post was made.
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Bad news....
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A friend base was raped tonight, again by a hacker..... This becoming really boring.
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Ok i will try to explain what happened last night. This happen between 00h00 and 3h00 AM (GMT+1)
A Spades' member, gasoil, got his account hacked. We meet him in our base doing shit: explaining some stupid "new gang strategie", "moving stuff in new base base", "its late i will explain tomorow im sleepy", blablabla.. he wasnt our IRL player for sure, we know gasoil pretty well IRL. He wasnt the one using the caracter.
What we know for sure, its that this creepy hacker speak french like a french native.
Ok, now spades lost (so far...) :
- 29 COMBATS ARMOR (MK2 AND BROTHERHOODS)
- 5000 5mm (JHP/AP)
- 1500 223
- 600 14mm
- 10 PLASMA RIFLES
- 25 LASER RIFLES UPGRADE
- 22 DYNACORDS
- 12 P90
- 10 XL ("blu rifles")
- 5000 micro fusion
- 200 jet
- 100 grenades plasma
The better is coming.
While i was asking some help from a GM and regrouping some players for helping us to move our stuff, the group got teleported. We got tp in a map with enclav patrol and deathclaw. All dead. Everyone lost the stuff. Thanks. I dont know who tp us, but i think he would help the community better turning off his computer and going to the swimming pool.
PS: thx to cajuns for their help during this sad night.
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I must add, he changed the password of the character he used to steal us, my crafter. Great...
EDIT: Seems that another of my characters got hacked and password changed, one of my PVP fighters...
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I'm wondering how can this be happening so often. I mean it can't be just a fault of players, that their accounts are stolen, there must be some weakness on the server side or something. Or am I mistaken? I won't believe that all those players just gave their passwords away or they had so weak passwords that it can be breached easily.
Also I feel very sorry for you, guys. :( I hope these suckers will be caught soon.
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I'm wondering how can this be happening so often.
I'd like to know what's the common denominator for players that's been hacked. Same forum? Same passwords somewhere? Same LAN? Same activities (accidentaly firing up some sniffing malware)?
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What i know about this issue as (first) victim of Hacked Account :
- The hacker is french
- The victims are all french from what we know
- The whole french community use one same forum
- People with hacked accounts had same password on french forums and ingame (in my case, not, but i used the same password as in obt2 and cbt, and i had a fuckin PM with it inside :()
I hope it is only our forum, but he problem is big enough.... Too many Hacked accounts, and we are almost sure about who is the hacking crew... But we can't proove it unfortunately
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We have been hacked too, but nothing like you, he had just delete our tent where was realy a lot of stuff.
The password was shared, we knew every player who had it by the real life and I don't think they wanted to loose a big part of their stuff.
This password wasn't on any forum or anything else.
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The password was shared,
There's your problem.
Don't share passwords people. A password 12345 is better than same password on french forum and in game.
My guess is that the people who have not used same pass for forums just use a bot or other fonline cheats to which they won't admit.