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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Survival Guides / Game Help => Topic started by: Rosmy Sundr on January 16, 2012, 05:28:31 am
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This is aimed mostly towards new players, as many of the old standards still apply, though many old mechanisms have been modified.
So, its a brand new world and you're looking to make your mark on it! Not so fast, that shiny new build of yours may have great potential, but you're 40 HP and level 1 basic punch wont do much to get you there. There aren't any newbie zone with "Slightly Aggravated Bunnies" to grind, the wasteland is harsh. Provided below are a few tips for accelerating your leveling.
1) Invest in your Outdoorsmanship early and often. Get it up to 100, 150 if you can. Seriously, its worth it now. Even if you have a buddy with a taxi alt. canceling past encounters that would ordinarily be too tough to fight is a dandy way to earn XP, and insure you don't end up with free bullets donated to your groin. Why 100? because it allows you to go for the Ranger perk. Ranger is now a support perk, which means there's no inherent opportunity cost in taking it if you already have the skills for it. There isn't a limit to how many support perks you can maintain, unlike level perks. Ranger is a great Newbie perk, thanks to the ranger safe-house. Yes, tents now have campfires you can craft over, but the safe-house comes with a crafting bench, and several containers to fill. Set it down next to a mine or ruins and you can gather resources and craft without ever coming in contact with those pesky PCs in towns and cities. No more waiting in line to craft or having your products stolen from you before you even close your fix-boy.
2) Gather apples/mutated fruit. (Need at least 3 charisma) Don't eat them, unless you want your urine to glow in the dark, but gather them whenever you can. Nearly half of all ruins encounters will have a fruit tree (along with bountiful junk to craft BBs for sale), and some desert encounters will have up to 3 apple trees. fruit trees can provide up to 50 fruit, which weighs next to nothing. Just keep clicking away until the "apples" disappear or or you get a message saying the tree is out. I like to park new players in the ruins between hub and bone-yard. In 25 minutes, you've got yourself 1000 apples. then all you have to do is walk to hub and cash in with the poor starving orphan by the brahmin pens. Forget waiting for cows to poop, now all you need to do is start offering the kid apples and hammer "2" to continue offering one at a time. I like to keep my apples in my active hand to prevent theft, and show me how many I have left. the kid gives 5xp per fruit, so the 25 minutes for gathering + 5 minutes of shoving apples down the kids infinite gullets provides 5000XP, that's 10k experience per hour... just make sure you aren't carrying anything valuable while you're standing there blindly giving the child radiation sickness/explosively distended bowels.
3)Wasteland League, (dis)Assemble! - take your loot apart if you aren't going to use. This doesn't grant xp as of yet (they use to, and may still be again), but metal parts are still at a temporary premium and are sometimes worth more to merchants than the guns they came from. For new players, caps can be hard to come by, and with mines now limited by depletion, many players will pay caps (or precious brahmin hides) for metal parts. Just don.t make trades outside of unguarded cities. But what does making money have to do with experience?
4) Buy your way through quests. Some quests aren't intended for lowbies. They tend to have higher experience payoffs, but require a lot of goforing (go for this, get me that, etc) through territory dangerous to blue suits. Many of these quests however have simpler solutions if you have the cash. you could schlep to Klam, Reno, and BH for Kohl's books... or you could go to a library in hub or boneyard and save yourself several encounters with a PK. Similarly you could hoof it across the wastes Lilly, Elmer, Mick, Westin etc... or you could take the train, and just hop off close to your destination. Then again if you invest enough in ODM, it might be better to walk and enjoy watching your xp climb with each encounter.
5) Bluesuit it. Number one noob mistake I see is low level players gallivanting around in armor or with anything higher than low-tier weapons. You are going to die in the game. A lot. And most of the time you will not retrieve your stuff afterwords. unless you are actively looking for a fight (and at your level that's probably PvE not PvP), you should be carrying as little as possible. That spiffy new jacket buster gave you may look nice, but with your wopping 37 HP, I only need to put 1 bullet through it, regardless of AC, and it becomes mine. Not that I'd wear it, but I could sell it or dismantle it, or decorate my tent floor with it. Until you are already at or near the top of the food chain, armor is pretty much worthless unless you're fighting critters. Get a tent and leave your stuff there until you're man/woman enough to put it to good use. But again, what does this have to do with xp? Bluesuit means you have nothing to loss, except maybe 30 seconds of your time. You are liberated from fear of losing your worldly possessions, and free to fight like there's no tomorrow. Got an enemy to kill for a quest that you know could one-hit-kill you? blue suit it. you're probably going to die, but you might be able to suicide kill him with you. point-blank him with a molotov, or if your quests allows numerous attempts, keep trying to initiate combat with a target shot to the eye until eventually you crit. Water the desert with your blood if necessary, it only takes 20 seconds to respawn, and then you get that nice DO=FA experience to boot.
6) Legacy of the Questwhore. The post wipe world is ripe with new quests. many are easy, many are poorly balanced when it comes to the rewards, and some will provide support perks that essentially increase your skills/abilities without even needing to level, allowing you to use your experience and skill points more efficiently. With the exception of time limited quests, there does not appear to be any limit to the number of active quests you can take on at once, so get out there and commence ass-kissing/kicking.
7) Shit shoveling is a waste of time. seriously, you are better off letting rad scorpions poison you and getting experience off first aid. the cool-down is actually faster than waiting for cows to poop. problem is with less than 50 hp, you tend to die from the poison before your FA cools down. you are probably even better off crafting shovels for 14 xp a pop. unless you are shoveling to scrounge up enough caps for a bank account, or you've found a city deserted of other shovelers, you are wasting your time.
8) Join an NPC faction and ride their coat-tails. This is easiest with VC, but probably safest with BoS. join the faction, wander around no more than a few hexes from their base, and wait for encounters that involve your npc buddies and bad guys. Instant backup. Just don't try to loot any corpses until after your support is done looting first. This works particularly well with Awareness perk: sit back and snipe weakend enemies for the killing blow, or stay out of combat completely and let the two parties go at it until there are only a few barely breathing members left. If the bad guys win, they're now weak enough for you to finish off, and if the good guys win some may let you get close enough to heal them for XP + reputation. Also less survivors means more loot for you, as each friendly survivor will loot-all 1 body. I say VC is easiest because they tend to face weak enemies like robbers, slavers or ghouls in large numbers, with high payout, but nearby gecko can be very unsafe with it's TC and unguarded mine. BoS is nice and safe because they are so strong compared to their local enemies, and are close to safe and convenient junk-town and hub. They are generally low pay-out, but travel in smaller numbers, and so leave more unlooted bodies after a fight, unless sharing with caravans, junktown scouts or hub patrol, who they will not fight.
9) Consider tagging unarmed or melee. One of the less foreseeable results of the changes to mining is the inflation of ammunition prices. If metal parts are at a premium due to limited ore deposits, gunpowder is even more-so. While metal parts can be alternatively obtained from dismantling looted weaponry, the only sources of gunpowder is still limited to mined minerals. yes, small amounts of ammunition can be looted from vanquished enemies (though normally less than what you would expend bursting them), and some merchants will carry ammunition (especially low-tier, easy grinds-for-cash), but the primary source of ammunition, player crafting, has been seriously throttled. This, however, is not an issue for HtH or melee fighters. why waste precious bullets grinding mantii and pigrats when a punch to the groin will do? This is especially effective for crippler builds, as the transition from hth crippler to sniper crippler is actually pretty easy once you can afford bullets if all you are concerned with is critical chance.
10) Make friends. Don't be tempted by the path of the loner. While having its own trait may seem like tacit endorsement of that play style, this is still a multiplayer game. Yes, an extra 10% from the start is tempting, and yes, if you trust other players you will very often end up burned, bursted, or buttraped... BUT WAIT! Consider for a moment the possibility of playing with players you could actually trust. Imagine playing F1/F2 with a team of Ians and Cassidys smart enough NOT to burstmode through you to hit an enemy. FO2238 is an awesome multiplayer game not because plasma-PKing hapless bluesuits in half is awesome and technically multiplayer, but because you can respawn, gather your buddies online, and turn the griefer and all his proxy-alts into warm liquid goo. There ARE other good people playing this game... or lacking that, people with the same twisted kinks as you do with a penchant for spreading the armor-piercing love from as many smoking barrels on their side as possible. network, make buddies, bring IRL friends or buddies from other online communities into the game, and together you can specialize and take on much stronger, more experience-profitable enemies then you could as a lone jack of all trades.
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Don't waste your time.
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Yeah, good luck with that 2nd part in the new economy. Plus, what about crafters?
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Very good advices, Rosmy.
For a first character I would recommend 150 outdoorsman. With only 100 you will still get enforced into encounters a lot,
and without experience it will end with death very often. If you carry things you are not ready to lose, never go into player
encounter, even if it's someone you know - there might be other people there and this person could be dead already.
Never stand in encounter map longer than neccesery, especially if you are near a town.
I think loner trait for a first character isn't such a bad idea if you don't need another trait. You can still have player friends,
you just won't be able to lead a group. New players are especially vulnerable to tent followers and with this trait you can
have 3 Charisma - so visit all shops and do quests, and at the same time you can be 100% sure noone will ever follow you to a tent :)
RavenousRat, centaur hunting by newbies sounds like a terrible idea. Newbie will get radiated and will cry for rad-aways
in NCR bazaar. It happens even to experienced players, but they have enough resources to deal with it.
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I hadn't considered the tent protection possibility. Good point. But the extra 50 odm can dig into other specializations. Most noobs take amlong time before they learn to appreciate specialization over diversification. I don't want to advocate taxi alts, but really I would depend on cars or high odm group leaders beyond that. But yeah, for a first character, pump odm to 150, maybe even 175 if you can.
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If you can't do #2, then do #1, even poorest of poorest totally naked noobish bluesuiter can level to 24th level on mutated molerats or at least simple molerats, until devs make their crit table less lethal for them.
As for #2, you just don't get hit by them in floaters vs cents encounters. Also use sneak, I mean, even if you're not a sneaker, use your uber low non-tagged sneak and go in corner of map, then return.
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Lol :D
I'm lvl 22 bluesuit and I'm killing deathclaws (250hp+500hp) with only bare hands (6LK, Bonus HtH attacks, Bonus HtH dmg +1, Hit The Gaps, HtH Criticals, Haymaker = Insanity)
Almost in every turn.. deathclaws lost turn and armor bypass.
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Floters are harmless. They do 2-10 dmg, not every hit is with poison, and the poison damage kicks in after some time.
You can pwn two at a time at lv6 with a knife as long as you have some antidote and healing powder.
Ammo is not that hard to get, it's 5x easyer to mine minerals then ore at the junktown mine.
The easy way to make caps is to export fruit and import spears to junktown (female npc near workbench gives 50cps for one).
You can also trade weapons, ammo, armor for electronic parts (scavengers give 20 caps for one), green condoms, lighters, cigaretts, cats paw and beer (Monte Carlo in Boneyard will give you some caps and items for them).
Brahmin skins are always in demand by players, but those who can't get them won't have caps so don't slay the cow, use rope, catch them and sell.
If you figth TB always have some flowers, while waiting for your turn press 'f' and craft some weak healing powder.
Don't hunt for armor on low level, but if you find one USE IT!
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Mostly money making tips, but still useful. Thanks for the contribution.
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Epic post, but I would like to see some important sentences from the post to be bold. Great job.
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Also, something good to farm near vault city are crazies, specially the slow white ghouls, they walk very slowly and are unarmed, so easy targets to hit and run tactic of combat, the problem in those encounters are the other ghouls that come with those white slow ones, they wear shotguns and can easily kill you, but they are as slow as the white ones, each kill gives around 180xp, so not that waste of time for a sniper build.
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2) Gather apples/mutated fruit. Tried with 1 charisma = fail, maybe 3 charisma needed?
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Also, something good to farm near vault city are crazies, specially the slow white ghouls, they walk very slowly and are unarmed, so easy targets to hit and run tactic of combat, the problem in those encounters are the other ghouls that come with those white slow ones, they wear shotguns and can easily kill you, but they are as slow as the white ones, each kill gives around 180xp, so not that waste of time for a sniper build.
my friend please... :)
1x wood + 2x junk - red ryder bb gun
4x junk = 50 bbs ammo
each molerat gives: 120xp or 300xp
you can easily level up char on mutated molerats vs molerats since 1st lvl (even 1 endurance char). tb preferred.
honestly said... its even too easy, maybe need to be buffed, cause thos molerats crit tables are LOL.
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Molerat = 120xp
Greater Molerat = 160xp
Mutated Molerat = 300xp
:/ that's too low.. what about
Tough Deathclaw (Large) = 1750xp
Tough small Deathclaw = 750xp
Yeah molerats crit table sucks and they got killed by 1 hit to eyes :P
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Runboy, tips where to find these deathclaws? Maybe if you know a place with deathclaws and without other mobs like centaurs/floaters, share it to us :P
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39:10 simple as that
Usually 2 big ones and 2 small ones.
Edit: :DD lvl 23 and less than 5580xp for lvl 24 :// what I do then
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That's 2-3 squares from the Mutated Molerats spot! Thanks.
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39:10 simple as that
Researched and added to Fallout Encounter Finder.
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Where to find mutated molerats vs molerats?
Oh and when I said about the crazies, it would be nice to farm then for fast shot builds.
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you can find mutated molerats and normal molerats between the black terrain and the normal molerat hunting area
Also i see that you forgot a combat skill: Throwing
Throwing is the best for ranged combat if you dont want to waste fuckloads of ammo, you can create either:
10 Throwing knifes, wich you can retrieve from dead bodyes, max range with 2xHeaveHo 22hex, you only need 2 wood and 4 metal parts and you can enjoy them until you get killed.
NOTE: Dont throw knifes in vs encounters, the caravans or guards will retrieve them. ugly feature.
30 Molotovs, you only need 8 fruits and 4 wood, in a still just put the wood put the fruits and take the rotgut= with 4 rotguts you can craft 30 molotovs in any workbench.
The best place to lvl up a nader or knife thrower is the black terrain between Reno and NCR, it has many molerats, manti, rats and radscorpion encounters wich you can get in RT, just let all the critters attack each other and throw a single molotov= 100-400xp per shot.
And you can always ask me for hunt if you see me at NCR :)
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2) Gather apples/mutated fruit. Tried with 1 charisma = fail, maybe 3 charisma needed?
Yes, you need 3.
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Runboy, tips where to find these deathclaws? Maybe if you know a place with deathclaws and without other mobs like centaurs/floaters, share it to us :P
You can find DClaws all along the east edges of the map. Sometimes vs Cannibals.
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Somewhere near 39:10 was encounter where was always Tough Deathclaws vs Desert Stalkers.
Damn I can't find that anymore :/
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I found a desert stalker near VC, not sure where though, got too scared, and why didn't you said I needed 3 CH, I got damm 300 fruits then the kid called me a boogie man, omg.
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you could always take the fruit, gather wood, brew booze and craft molotovs or flamer ammo.
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rope crafting can do if you have outdoorsman
1 fiber=1 rope= 20xp
and you can sell ropes to some merchants at a good price
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I have just made my safe house(ranger perk) and have been trying to make my campfire upgrade. i was told u need wood i have 29 on me when i try and have tried all possibilties my house is in city location.
Am i missing something?
Ox
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You tried using "use inventory on" didn't you? if not click and select rucksack icon then select wood.
If you have tried this already then I don't know what's wrong as this is how it works for me.
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They walked slowly, was unarmed, so easy target, hit and run tactics of warfare, these problems is that those other slow white ghoul.
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You have to be careful with the ghouls though, if they do get a shot off they have very high luck and a good chance to get an evil crit of doom on you.
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Anyone mind posting a more detailed guide on how to do deathclaws? The information is great, but I tried them as a level 18 bluesuit with about the same perks and keep dying. I tried RT and TB, I go in and crit eyes but die really fast to the others, as they generally come in a pack of 3-4. Are these packs just not doable solo or am I missing something?
I am 10/1/8/3/2/10/10 with bruiser and heavy handed, and all unarmed perks as well as even tougher. I kind of regret getting heavy handed (I still 1 shot mutant mole rats though).
Thanks for any help, getting bored of just hunting molerats because I'm noob =D
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Anyone mind posting a more detailed guide on how to do deathclaws? The information is great, but I tried them as a level 18 bluesuit with about the same perks and keep dying. I tried RT and TB, I go in and crit eyes but die really fast to the others, as they generally come in a pack of 3-4. Are these packs just not doable solo or am I missing something?
I am 10/1/8/3/2/10/10 with bruiser and heavy handed, and all unarmed perks as well as even tougher. I kind of regret getting heavy handed (I still 1 shot mutant mole rats though).
Thanks for any help, getting bored of just hunting molerats because I'm noob =D
My lvl 23 Hth with 300 HtH skill can't take on packs of deathclaws either when I'm in low armor and just spiked knuckles, haven't yet tried with power fist and combat armor.
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The guy a few posts up said he was doing it as bluesuit. Was just wondering if theres a secret tactic or something haha ;D
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It is possible to beat 2 tough deathclaws at the same time, you hit one once and then another one once and repeat. Knocking them down will force them to stay idle for a while when they get up to recover their APs. You will get hit a few times, though. Doing 3 deathclaws at the same time seems impossible, IMO.
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Having high FA skill helps in RT.
Taking on 2 deathclaws is very doable for hth bluesuit, but 3 is (at least for me) certain death.
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Can someone link the encounter finder link? Cant find it anywhere.
Also there were some encounters before wipe that the Raiders were frozen and not attacking you. It was a good place to farm 7.62 bullets. Can someone tell me where that was?
I also here there is a frozen hunting party somewhere but also cant recall coordinates.
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I managed to kill 3 small deathclaws in boneyard encounter but when big ones show up they do a party over my dead body.
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Fear the white ghouls for their bring their EXPERT SNIPER ASSASSIN brothers with them with the HUNTING RIFLES OF DOOM.
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Here is my fast XP advice:
You can throw molotow coctails at mantis. I did it this way:
Go near redding. There you can farm some wood and apples (4 wood and 8 apples for 30 molotovs)
once you've gathered wood and apples go to redding. In upper right conner you will find a stil. You put wood and apples inside (4 and 8, or 8 and 16, you see the idea...) and use sience.
After few minutes you will be able to take out rot gut.
Bring rot gut to work bench (north entrance in redding mines) and craft molotov.
After you got molotovs go to farm rats and mantis around square 7:11
P.s. this is doable with ANY build on any level but requiers some practice to avoid suicide molotow throw.
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Can someone link the encounter finder link? Cant find it anywhere.
Same page as the FCP: http://www.nitue.net/#fef/index
Not sure if it's up to date or not.
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Its up to date, I've added over 130 encounters myself. It was wiped with wipe so every encounter except for those changed/removed with updates are where they are stated, there might be more in those locations.