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Title: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rio on July 14, 2011, 05:19:17 pm
   First of all, I do not know if the section for a topic is right. Honestly I am not sure if the described below group could be called "gang/faction" - it's obviously "SWARM".
   New Reno get used to be a place where I was able to get some fun and participate in some kind of fair fights. Sometimes, even if I lost, I felt happy. It was the place, where I could find honorable adversaries, that had the same expectations of New Reno like me. When large factions stopped participating in TC so often, no one knows from where, fights with large teams were moved to Reno. Everytime I wanted to go there, I was forced to provide support of the group, that consisted of at least 10 people. The number, that could be compared to average TTTLA number (8 A.M - 2 A.M). I like playing alone and it's not easy to me. Sometimes, totally desperated I was trying to go there alone. Once I met "adamz" at the gas station, I shot him with mortal effect (using 10mm SMG). He came back, but he was not alone this time. Very kind man - "B. Erlin" came in order to help him. (You know: 2 vs. 1, it's acceptable! - challenge accepted). I entered ( I was so naive, even if the same thing happened about one hundred times before!), then killed "adamz" and I was about to shoot, frightened, running away "B. Erlin" - very kind man, when 5 mercenaries with rocket launchers spawned behind me. I was not able to recognize the nickname of that man, because I fell from my chair. At the respawn zone I was informed kindly by "adamz", very nice man - that, I am pathetic.Since that moment, mentioned above situations became recurring ones. "SWARM" non-stop, just in order to obtain my 10mm SMG. Some of them, brave ones, was coming alone at the begining, but never coming back alone.
   Since the moment of origins Mordino Family, it became even worse. "SWARM" non-stop, but they think it's cool like hell. That's not even roleplaying. Still one can hear "lmao", "lol"(*rofl*). All the time I can see flying lazors - "Star Wars". I wonder why they do not stay at Virgin Street, but they spoil insistently fun in whole New Reno. It would be nice to agree with the fact, that Mordino Family "roleplay" would take place at Virgin Street only. If someone wanted to take part, he would come there. While ago I was there again, running through 2nd Street and I met 2 members of Mordino Family. I shot one and both started running away. ( I thought: "Oh my Lord! I am the best!") Pleased with victory, I came back to Virgin Street (before it was completely empty), where I met 6, including those brave men from 2nd Street. Again I had to accept the loss of 10mm SMG, that probably lies right now inside "LeMark"'s treasury locker.
  Unguarded towns are almost empty, no one willing to do town control. Now you put your filthy hands on New Reno, last nice thing, making there "SWARM" fights. People are not even able to hold on the map. It's not New Reno I could imagine with roleplay project. Instead of this, you could restart Redding project and stop crying about PKs, that was ruining it ( according to yours).
   HANDS OFF!!!

I wonder how you could be happy there. It will become exactly the same, like town control did and then you will come in brahmin pen (not less than 10 men) and you will be taking away shit from there, so that  I will be not able to enjoy even it in the proper way. Feel free to vote. HANDS OFF!!!

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   I am asking any of willing forum moderators, if possible to remove every "troll-flame-rage" post (except this one :d). Leaving those here could be satisfactory for TTTLA aka Mordinos. I hope majority of regular New Reno visitors noticed negative changes and maybe, would like to share his/her opinions.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Crazy on July 14, 2011, 05:42:09 pm
Why Rio is the only one allowed to troll/flame/rage/cry, could I know?
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Shangalar on July 14, 2011, 05:44:05 pm
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=17609.0

Everyone doesn't seem to agree with you ?
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: hejmr on July 14, 2011, 05:47:56 pm
Come on, those mercs weren't ours. Just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rio on July 14, 2011, 05:48:46 pm
   Crazy, be so nice and notice, that it is not the topic to increase your post counter. Post something constructive and related to the issues above. I have not spent much time to post it, so that you can put that "SHIT" here. According to board time, I assume Jescri was not even able to read everything (he posted 15 seconds after I posted it). Forum, it's not about who has more posts.
   Shangalar, it looks nice in the pictures, that was intentionally prepared to post here. There is no opinion except one, only those screenshots.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on July 14, 2011, 05:59:22 pm
Coming to Reno alone in general is pretty risky. You might get one lucky crit from enemy and it's game over. Bringing friends is more than encouraged. There might be 5 rocket mercs on worldmap so best play safe.

It's only unfortunate that lone motivated pvp contractors are forced to either quit pvp or join a faction.

Come on, those mercs weren't ours. Just a coincidence.

Yeh there's some sneak merc leader named CJ.GST or something that previewcamps Reno occasionally with mercs.

What comes to Redding project - mixed feelings. Projects like that demand lots of responsibility from the people who actually uphold it. You can say "just do it" but one does not simply just do it like that.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 14, 2011, 06:09:16 pm
   Crazy, be so nice and notice, that it is not the topic to increase your post counter. Post something constructive and related to the issues above. I have not spent much time to post it, so that you can put that "SHIT" here. According to board time, I assume Jescri was not even able to read everything (he posted 15 seconds after I posted it). Forum, it's not about who has more posts.
   Shangalar, it looks nice in the pictures, that was intentionally prepared to post here. There is no opinion except one, only those screenshots.

Yes you are right, I only read key-words : "SWARM/TTTLA/LeMark/Mordinos/Mercs/Troll/Spoil/Flame/Reno"
And I dont need more than 5 secondes to make the link between these words : TTTLA are swarmers. Like Mordinos.

But you know, since we are playing, almost every players of the server are spitting on us, so I am used to these kind of Troll thread on us.
We do TC ? Poeple are spitting on us.
We do WWP ? Poeple are spitting on WWP.
We are RP somewhere else ? poeple are spitting on our RP.
And GMs let these poeple spitting on us, but dont let us spitting on these poeple. But we dont care.

More over, you are saying we are ruining fun in Reno. But what should we do ? We should let us killed by your team ? You are just ragging because we are more powerfull than you. And why I am saying that ? Because you are hyprocryte. You do what you are blaming us. Just look this screen.

Edit :
Shangalar, it looks nice in the pictures, that was intentionally prepared to post here. There is no opinion except one, only those screenshots.

Oh please, come with another char than Rio in Reno, and do RP (Role Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing)) with us and you will see if these picture were prepared.

PS : Read this post fast, because in few minutes my post will be delete by a mysterious GM (who seems to dont like me)



Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Crazy on July 14, 2011, 06:11:16 pm
Shangalar, it looks nice in the pictures, that was intentionally prepared to post here. There is no opinion except one, only those screenshots.
Paranoia can be cured by a psychologist you know?


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"SWARM""SWARM""SWARM""SWARM"
Always made me laugh. Our ennemies never bothered to come in smaller numbers when they could swarm us. And you say it so often that I even hear it when we are in inferior number.
"Cry more, we are bringing more people".


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"adamz" "B. Erlin"
Those mens have nothing to do with TTTLA, thanks you to prove how little you know about us.


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That's not even roleplaying.
Because you know what is roleplaying, do you? I've seen you doing RP sooo often...


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Still one can hear "lmao", "lol"(*rofl*).
I wonder how would you know, dead bodies don't hear what people are saying. However, this is false, but well, that's not your first lie huh?


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Again I had to accept the loss of 10mm SMG, that probably lies right now inside "LeMark"'s treasury locker.
Hey guys, could you be kind enough to explain me all that hate against Lemark? I mean, it isn't our most active player, I never seen him insulting our ennemies, and he isn't even in this Mordino project.


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It would be nice to agree with the fact, that Mordino Family "roleplay" would take place at Virgin Street only.
So bad, we don't agree. Did you really think a second whining and trolling on forum would change anyhing? Seriously, we have been trolled enough (and by troll far better than you I must say) to not care anymore about this forum, I think I am the last one of our team still there because I like to troll myself sometimes (not for a long time if Nexxos keep sending me these warning and deleting my posts, it's really less funny when you have moderators who have personnal problem with you cause you killed them at Reno).


I will end with what I think of you. (http://bite-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/crying_baby.jpg)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Eternauta on July 14, 2011, 08:16:44 pm
totally desperated

I fell from my chair.

No troll intended, but I honestly think you might need some short holidays from FOnline.

Also, and especially with the poll, you are mixing different subjects (mercs, TC, RP, WWP, swarm) in a not so elaborated way.

I think this idea of joining a local Reno "family" is quite cool and way better than just using Reno as a non-TC PvP playground.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: manero on July 14, 2011, 08:59:13 pm
Totally agree with Rio. It looks like that: 10 Mordino guys on Vigin, 10 Hawks/Whatever on Commercial Row(ofc they don't fight each other). At least 5 scouts from Mordino and Hawks/Whatever on Second Street and merc controller with full pack of mercenaries spamming Gas Station preview... I got only 12 action points and 7 points burst. Its immposible to have fun alone, moreover its barely possible to have fun with less than 7 guys. Who has so many players? ;)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 14, 2011, 09:00:51 pm
Those mens have nothing to do with TTTLA, thanks you to prove how little you know about us.
He didn't say they do.

Yes you are right, I only read key-words : "SWARM/TTTLA/LeMark/Mordinos/Mercs/Troll/Spoil/Flame/Reno"
And I dont need more than 5 secondes to make the link between these words : TTTLA are swarmers. Like Mordinos.

But you know, since we are playing, almost every players of the server are spitting on us, so I am used to these kind of Troll thread on us.
We do TC ? Poeple are spitting on us.
We do WWP ? Poeple are spitting on WWP.
We are RP somewhere else ? poeple are spitting on our RP.
And GMs let these poeple spitting on us, but dont let us spitting on these poeple. But we dont care.
Oh, yes, we already know how poor and humiliated TTTLA is from your other post. Who cares.

Ah, shouldn't I remind you, that Rio wasn't talking only about TTTLA, he mentioned "SWARM" which can be assigned to many other groups.

Overall I agree with Rio, it's sad that you can do nothing yourself. I mean you can, but only the first time, the enemy just brings his "friends". I often met this situation fighting Czosneks in Broken Hills with my unarmed char. I manage to disarm a guy and sometimes even cripple his leg and kill, but then his friends come("SWARM") and I've just wasted my time because I know I didn't really win.

Many times I was just forced to join a group. Once I was in an alliance with TTTLA/VSB, another time with The Rogues, after that - which was the most fun - Ninja Professors, but that's just not it, I never stayed for much long.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: A concerned wastelander on July 14, 2011, 09:04:03 pm
A roleplay pvp gang?!? How can we join?
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: manero on July 14, 2011, 09:05:09 pm
They do not role play. They just have Mordino name in nickname. Anyway its rather stupid because if it would be role play they should change name to Salvatore(all of them use ew weapons)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Cha on July 14, 2011, 09:06:34 pm
They do not role play. They just have Mordino name in nickname. Anyway its rather stupid because if it would be role play they should change name to Salvatore(all of them use ew weapons)

Manero's science.

Amen.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 14, 2011, 09:12:17 pm
They do not role play. They just have Mordino name in nickname.

Trololo.

Oh please, first time BBS saw a Mordinos member, this BBS shot him without speaking (NoobRifle). After it, you came with lot of poeple full stuffed to kill us, but Mordinos pwned you with our leather jackets.
So please, you never tried to do RP with Mordinos, so shut up, and try to come with a no BBS char, and you will see by yourself of they do RP or not.


So Manero, when your team will do RP, you could come back here, and criticize Mordinos.
 
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rio on July 14, 2011, 09:18:20 pm
   You came to New Reno following the Rest of Players in order to annoy them with your "roleplay". It's only pretext to camp New Reno all day. New Reno was fine without any roleplay. Project like that are supposed to be in places, that need to bring some life there (Modoc, Redding :d). New Reno always was the PvP field, where you could fight with not so numerous enemies. Now things changed...
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: manero on July 14, 2011, 09:18:34 pm
Oh please, first time BBS saw a Mordinos member, this BBS shot him without speaking (NoobRifle).

Thats not true. I remember when i first time met Mordino guys. It was on second street and they attacked BBS.Samurai while the rest of us were pking in Bishop casino(ofc we will attack first but we were attacked before :) ). And i was first who tried to role play with Mordino(Noobrifle the most noobish snipah ever!). It was first day when i noticed them. I wrote to one of them that Mordino will not rule NR because Salvatore hired us and equiped to rule New Reno. The same thing did Samurai, he even asked Wipe to change our nicknames to Salvatore and she accepted that. But next days showed that Mordino guys got to many guys to fight against them.

Anyway its always funny that people are so excited about all my posts ;D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Kelin on July 14, 2011, 09:24:17 pm
It looks like that: 10 Mordino guys on Vigin, 10 Hawks/Whatever on Commercial Row(ofc they don't fight each other). At least 5 scouts from Mordino and Hawks/Whatever on Second Street and merc controller with full pack of mercenaries spamming Gas Station preview...
Hmm, apparently you exactly know what you are talking about. Because what you said is totally bullshit. Firstly, Hawks fight Mordinos. I've never noticed that we ever swarmed BBS together. Secondly, I don't know but every time I see mercs it's very often some russian mercs (they mostly belong to your SOT friends). It was few days ago I was fighting some other lonely SOT at commercial and guess what he called "an artillery" then it was 1 vs.7 (of course, I was swarming them!!). Don't tell me anything about swarm, BBS have no problem to swarm anyone, anywhere at all.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: manero on July 14, 2011, 09:28:41 pm
First of all none of BBS use mercenaries and the second its hard to swarm anyone if maximum we got is 6 people on team speak. Anyway im not going to ruin this topic so it time to shut up for me.

Totally agree with Rio ;D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: RavenousRat on July 14, 2011, 09:28:54 pm
Hmm, apparently you exactly know what you are talking about. Because what you said is totally bullshit. Firstly, Hawks fight Mordinos. I've never noticed that we ever swarmed BBS together. Secondly, I don't know but every time I see mercs it's very often some russian mercs (they mostly belong to your SOT friends). It was few days ago I was fighting some other lonely SOT at commercial and guess what he called "an artillery" then it was 1 vs.7 (of course, I was swarming them!!). Don't tell me anything about swarm, BBS have no problem to swarm anyone, anywhere at all.
Of couse every ruski who's playing FOnline: 2338 project are from Rogues! They're automatically joining there when starting playing FOnline. Also if you'll use cyrillic name, you'll be one of Rogues too, even if you're not russian.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 14, 2011, 09:30:46 pm
   You came to New Reno following the Rest of Players in order to annoy them with your "roleplay". It's only pretext to camp New Reno all day. New Reno was fine without any roleplay. Project like that are supposed to be in places, that need to bring some life there (Modoc, Redding :d). New Reno always was the PvP field, where you could fight with not so numerous enemies. Now things changed...

Seems there is not so much poeple who are annoying by our RP. That is just that the few poeple annoying by our RP are poeple who are bigmouths.

And more over, since there is Mordinos, I see a lot of more poeple in New Reno. (poeple doing RP with Mordinos, and PvP groups making fight with them).
But, Rio, if you are sooooo being annoyed by Mordinos RP, recruit some players to kill the 5~8 Mordinos, and stop cry here.
You know, Mordinos dont prevent you to craft guns, and armors, to kick their asses. But when you are wasting your time to write lamentation here, you are not searching solutions to make the game funniest to your team.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: DocAN. on July 14, 2011, 09:31:16 pm
Of couse every ruski who's playing FOnline: 2338 project are from Rogues! They're automatically joining there when starting playing FOnline. Also if you'll use cyrillic name, you'll be one of Rogues too, even if you're not russian.

Nothing to add.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on July 14, 2011, 09:33:24 pm
   You came to New Reno following the Rest of Players in order to annoy them with your "roleplay". It's only pretext to camp New Reno all day. New Reno was fine without any roleplay. Project like that are supposed to be in places, that need to bring some life there (Modoc, Redding :d). New Reno always was the PvP field, where you could fight with not so numerous enemies. Now things changed...

You can't just state what and how players should play the game. Be glad they actually play and think of something to do rather than quit to other server.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rio on July 14, 2011, 09:39:16 pm
   I can feel this topic will never end, if you do not change your attitude. I do not get why you cannot realize, that people sometimes want to fight in smaller groups. You're always talking about numbers and posting those screenshots (made like 3-4 months ago :o).
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Cha on July 14, 2011, 09:43:20 pm
   I can feel this topic will never end, if you do not change your attitude. I do not get why you cannot realize, that people sometimes want to fight in smaller groups. You're always talking about numbers and posting those screenshots (made like 3-4 months ago :o).

Our fault if you are unable to keep your team alive ?

Solo ? This game is made of gangs dude.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Kelin on July 14, 2011, 09:44:27 pm
Its hard to swarm anyone if maximum we got is 6 people on team speak. Anyway im not going to ruin this topic so it time to shut up for me.
What about BBS past? And even now you have no problem 6 vs. 1 which I personally consider as a swarm. (If isn't then 30 vs. 5 isn't swarm either).
Of couse every ruski who's playing FOnline: 2338 project are from Rogues!
Where did I say that? I only say that we don't use mercs (at least I am not aware of it) and that most of the time mercs are used by russians (don't forget BHH are russians, too).
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 14, 2011, 09:45:11 pm
I do not get why you cannot realize, that people sometimes want to fight in smaller groups. You're always talking about numbers and posting those screenshots (made like 3-4 months ago :o).

Maybe because wasteland is harsh ?  ::)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Crazy on July 14, 2011, 09:48:02 pm
Aaah, Reno was SO much better when Rio was able to do his RP inside, when these evil Mordinos swarmers weren't there !


(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9236/screen02052011143559.jpg)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rio on July 14, 2011, 09:49:32 pm
Solo ? This game is made of gangs dude.
   First of all, can you read english text? I can feel you cannot and I've got that feeling since begining of your posting. I assume also, whole today's afternoon you spent looking for screenshots. I am not going to do that, as you are not worth of it. You're making the liar and possessed man from me, even without reading posts and trying to understand - modern youth.
   Posted screens are only proof I am often in New Reno and I know what is going there. Above posted screenshot is kind of slander and I am asking moderator to remove it and convince the author, that he's totally wrong. Posting the screenshot like this requires something more than just saying. In the other way you could hurt someone. You should know - justice. Do you know this word or you put it inside your profile info without knowing the meaning? Anyway, you're still young - much time to learn.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 14, 2011, 09:59:18 pm
   Posted screens are only proof I am often in New Reno and I know what is going there. Above posted screenshot is kind of slander and I am asking moderator to remove it and convince the author, that he's totally wrong. Posting the screenshot like this requires something more than just saying. In the other way you could hurt someone. You should know - justice. Do you know this word or you put it inside your profile info without knowing the meaning? Anyway, you're still young - much time to learn.

Oh, and I say that your first post is false too ! So I am asking moderator to remove it and convince the author, that you are totally wrong.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Cha on July 14, 2011, 10:06:47 pm
  You should know - justice. Do you know this word or you put it inside your profile info without knowing the meaning? Anyway, you're still young - much time to learn.

Where is justice when you seek and destroy low level blue suits ? You start being pathetic.

About the fact i'm young, considering my actual age i take that pretty much like a compliment. Thank you.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rio on July 14, 2011, 10:13:01 pm
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Where is justice when you seek and destroy low level blue suits ? You start being pathetic.

   Again, you read only or trying to understand also? They are two different things. Tell me please who is the member of TTTLA and who has the "justice" inside profile info? Still would be better if you would try to answer according to previous posts instead of putting another posts and silly questions like one above. Suggestion: find a screenshot where I kill bluesuit with 40 HPs.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Hololasima on July 14, 2011, 10:50:18 pm
I just clearly can see reason of all of this. New Reno was Rio's playground where he was killing bluesuits and other random innocents. He was alone there, so no big problems. Then some bigger group of players arrives to town, killed Rio and he started to be mad and jelly ...


Yeah, i am pretty sure its like that. In fact this is not troll topic. Its whining topic about "Hey, they killed me when i was killing others, ban them!"
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Sarakin on July 14, 2011, 10:51:04 pm
Rio go PK elsewhere, simple as that. What did you expect from this tread ?  ::)

Im pretty sick of this "TTTLA noobs, TTTLA SWARM, TTTLA cowards etc." attitude. They play really good, at least, as good as every other team. They contributed to the game and community a lot more than most of the gangs. Why so much hatin´ ?  ???
"First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw from your brother’s eye"
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: fylhtqrby on July 14, 2011, 10:55:13 pm
Russians... This one has not enough charisma to lead mercs... yet.
(http://www.yaplakal.com/uploads/post-3-13106337367419.jpg)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: RavenousRat on July 14, 2011, 10:55:49 pm
Time to rename topic to "TTTLA are evil PKs! And swarmers!"
They know no mercy! They know no justice! They kill you and then laugh over your body! New Reno is dangerous like never was before! Russian mercs awaiting you on grids! French jacket-users Mordinos are zerg swarming lone poor PKs! Poor PKs are not really PKs! They're just passing by New Reno, seeking for very high HP (>40) bluesuiter to kill, but evil Mordinos killing everyone on sight! Also this legion of 348705675467 russian mercs from Rogues are filling 1/2 of New Reno, exploding everything with bazookas and then disappearing! Be careful in New Reno! Zerg overlords are spawning french, polish and russian evil PKs there, you better avoid this place, especially if you're solo PK who like to kill >40 HP bluesuiters!
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Perteks on July 15, 2011, 12:33:08 am
Bla bla bla Mordino didnt killed me and wut ? I dont even care what type whine here is but we need wipe :D
Maybe close this siht?
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Johnnybravo on July 15, 2011, 01:21:31 am
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I got only 12 action points and 7 points burst. Its immposible to have fun alone
Oh noes, multiplayer game...
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: wreese2u on July 15, 2011, 10:46:33 am
The mordinos were also at broken hills.

shouldnt they be at reno?

hell, im gonna start my own family...
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rascal on July 15, 2011, 11:47:44 am
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hell, im gonna start my own family...
for the sake of universe please noooo!!!! xD
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jotisz on July 15, 2011, 04:10:32 pm
Is it just me or the voting is a bit one sided?
Anyway I miss the Redding project and would rather see that instead of the Mordino family thing...
But well its ok at the other thread that Simon aka Mobster started it even looked interesting.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on July 15, 2011, 08:52:49 pm
(http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3743/poorrio.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/809/poorrio.jpg/)


Well i got to tell you something , you made rio angry he is spying on you now ;D

About this mordino crap , i have to admit lazor pistols are so OP  :D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on July 15, 2011, 09:05:26 pm
First of all, it's me at AFK phase my little lieutenant. :d I suggest you moving inside the town with your investigations. I am sure it will be even more accurate.

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Well i got to tell you something , you made rio angry he is spying on you now
Seems like you've got not so much to tell anyone now. Why to post one could ask. :)
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About this mordino crap , i have to admit lazor pistols are so OP
Yes, I think whole topic concerns this...
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on July 15, 2011, 11:42:38 pm
This topic seems to be another whine about tttla swarm/numbers i'm not defending anyone just i don't give a fuck anymore , their like 4-5 in new reno with lazor pistols and leather jackets few guys with proper gear can just vaporize them and yet someone is whining that he cannot do anything on his own - ofcourse you can't do anything. Fonline 2238 is a faction mod that promotes people to make factions and alliances it's all in the game if someone doesn't like it well then i think this game isn't meant for those people. Loners have no future ;D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on July 16, 2011, 11:49:53 am
   Basing on that screenshot, I hate to post screens, but if you ask me to:
(http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/screen-15-07-2011-21-27-15.jpg)
   For me seems like you visited New Reno first time since Mordino family appeared there. We can all see how it ended. For your information after you call your friends, let's say 5 of them, they will also spawn from WM 5 more (probably bring also better gear, like Brotherhood armours and plasma rifles).
   Moreover, I could say, that Mordino's RP doesn't attract people. People attract their RP. They preview every district of New Reno, if spot someone, they spawn there. Regardless it's someone they do not know or their, how they tend to call it "enemy". For instance, some man had a little troubles with buying his car. It would have not happened, unless Mordino family with their RP had been there and I heard they protect the town, but  I have no idea they protect New Reno itself or people also. Would be nice to know.
   Attempting to stop low-HP bluesuit, shooting to him with laser pistol is just pathetic and worth of the worst kind PK. :)
   As I am not going to post with TTTLA members anymore: you advise me to do better (most efficient gather people?!) and you just bring more people (I dare to call "SWARM" also) yourself.  I find it funny and I do not like to wait another 1 hour or more after I beat TTTLA till they will gather more people. Learn to read and do not post things that are not related (old screens and how to everyone complains at TTTLA). Bye, bye...
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Astarot on July 16, 2011, 12:12:48 pm
It's so pathetic to see people posting to complain and cry when they offer nothing concrete in the world of FOnline ...

The complaints are always the same, Swarm, Swarm, Swarm, Mordino are Pk... ouinnnnn !

Yet in reality there is underlying jealousy...

Try, do better, or shut the fuck up ! ( this is the adult option )
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 16, 2011, 01:39:02 pm
Aquare, on your screen what can we see ? A bluesuit sneaker running. Nothing more.

You are giving your opinion about Mordinos, so I will give my opinion about you. You come in Reno without any stuff, without trying to do RP with Mordinos, you go in Reno just to scout them. So what Mordinos are supposed to do with you ? Should they allow you to stay sneaked somewhere without saying something ? If you dont like RP, dont come here cry because Mordinos shoot you.
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(probably bring also better gear, like Brotherhood armours and plasma rifles)

I am Mordino, and I've never seen 10 Mordinos in town together. Max 8 Mordinos. Generally 5.

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Moreover, I could say, that Mordino's RP doesn't attract people.

Yesterday there was around 10~15 poeple in Desperado + 1 singer. I've never seen so many poeple in Virgin Street.  So you are wrong, our RP just doesnt attract PKers who dont want to do RP.

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For your information after you call your friends, let's say 5 of them, they will also spawn from WM 5 more (probably bring also better gear, like Brotherhood armours and plasma rifles).

Come with more friends, or just try to play better. But please stop crying.

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As I am not going to post with TTTLA members anymore

Because you know you are writting shit.




Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: CaptOmg on July 16, 2011, 01:42:20 pm
The mordinos were also at broken hills.

shouldnt they be at reno?

hell, im gonna start my own family...
I'll join it! (if more people join you xD)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: manero on July 16, 2011, 02:58:17 pm
Jescri and Asratot, at least some french trolls... Cool, i was bored of polish trolling everywhere  :)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 16, 2011, 03:02:10 pm
Huh, I was running around with my bluesuit around New Reno today, one of these Mordinos told me to stop(I dont know what made him mad about it) and when I didn't he shot me a few times, I kept running around and when I came back to this place he shot me again and kill. So you were right about them, just bunch of assholes who "RP".
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 16, 2011, 03:07:52 pm
Next time when they say "STOP" you "STOP". If you dont want to be killed, do RP. No more to say.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 16, 2011, 03:11:42 pm
Well if that's how it works, you are not worth allying with at all.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: RavenousRat on July 16, 2011, 03:28:03 pm
Next time when they say "STOP" you "STOP". If you dont want to be killed, do RP. No more to say.
May be Floodnik was roleplaying New Reno drugged citizen! He can't hear your commands, he simply was seeking for Jet! But you! You! Evil TTTLA PK, zerg swarmer, merc-abuser, grid camper, <insert something else here I forgot>, etc. cold blooded killed him! May be he was roleplaying bluesuiter who's running around New Reno and doing nothing! How did you know that he didn't RP? May be he was roleplaying deaf bluesuiter so he can't hear others! Or he was in panic and just ran in random direction! Or he was under effect of Jet so he always moved and couldn't stop! Or simply wanted to run in the morning before drink a cup of coffee and go to job as hooker! But you, evil Mordinos, killed proud worker of New Reno, he couldn't service wastelanders anymore, you killed one of the best hookers!

You need ask if your victim is RPing and then kill if not! Like:
Evil Mordino: "Hello! What are you doing?"
Bluesuiter: "Hi! I'm RPing bluesuiter who is doing nothing, but then, when you're not looking, I'll grab grease gun and burst you all muahaha!"
Evil Mordino: "Oh, you're RPing bluesuiter who's doing nothing! Ok! We won't kill you!"

Not:
Evil Mordino: "STOP!"
*pause*
Evil Mordino: ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.
Bluesuiter is dead.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on July 16, 2011, 03:59:29 pm
Not:
Evil Mordino: "STOP!"
*pause*
Evil Mordino: ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.
Bluesuiter is dead.

Who are you to tell what to do? A warning is luxury in fonline, most people you meet will just shoot you without any comment.

Admittedly shouting "stop" could also mean "stop running I wanna kill you!" but all the same. All I see here is long term fonline players suddenly turning into crybabies because they were killed.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 16, 2011, 04:05:50 pm
Should I say nothing? So others come to the place too and get as dissapointed as I was?
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on July 16, 2011, 04:13:52 pm
Should I say nothing? So others come to the place too and get as dissapointed as I was?

You got disappointed because you expected something.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 16, 2011, 04:18:58 pm
You got disappointed because you expected something.

This is what I expected:
Now heres something you don't see every day, A small group of players in New Reno that are part of the Mordino family who prefer to speak instead of shooting at wastelanders, they are a very respectful bunch of people and even show peace to a member of the rival family.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: falloutdude on July 16, 2011, 04:29:09 pm
May be Floodnik was roleplaying New Reno drugged citizen! He can't hear your commands, he simply was seeking for Jet! But you! You! Evil TTTLA PK, zerg swarmer, merc-abuser, grid camper, <insert something else here I forgot>, etc. cold blooded killed him! May be he was roleplaying bluesuiter who's running around New Reno and doing nothing! How did you know that he didn't RP? May be he was roleplaying deaf bluesuiter so he can't hear others! Or he was in panic and just ran in random direction! Or he was under effect of Jet so he always moved and couldn't stop! Or simply wanted to run in the morning before drink a cup of coffee and go to job as hooker! But you, evil Mordinos, killed proud worker of New Reno, he couldn't service wastelanders anymore, you killed one of the best hookers!

You need ask if your victim is RPing and then kill if not! Like:
Evil Mordino: "Hello! What are you doing?"
Bluesuiter: "Hi! I'm RPing bluesuiter who is doing nothing, but then, when you're not looking, I'll grab grease gun and burst you all muahaha!"
Evil Mordino: "Oh, you're RPing bluesuiter who's doing nothing! Ok! We won't kill you!"

Not:
Evil Mordino: "STOP!"
*pause*
Evil Mordino: ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta.
Bluesuiter is dead.
ooo this made me laugh big time. ;D


Who are you to tell what to do? A warning is luxury in fonline, most people you meet will just shoot you without any comment.

Admittedly shouting "stop" could also mean "stop running I wanna kill you!" but all the same. All I see here is long term fonline players suddenly turning into crybabies because they were killed.
when people are RPing they should be giveing warnings not shooting on sight or giving 3 sec warning and then fireing. if you follow theses basic steps i promise after some time people may like rping and join you guys or rp with them in a real gang fight in streets of reno.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 16, 2011, 04:40:45 pm
Rat, don't involve TTTLA into this :P I perceive Mordinos as another group(you know, "RP").
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on July 16, 2011, 04:44:25 pm
Aquare

No i wasn't for the first time in reno and already knew about the mordino RP quite a while , i expected they will send everyone( from mordinos RP ) against me , i already expected failure because of the slim chance of success except i don't cry and whine about it like you. You talking to me like i never fought against tttla ?

I will not comment anything on your cry against swarm otherwise i will get banned.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on July 16, 2011, 05:05:54 pm
This is what I expected

Mobster isn't some Mordino spokesman but random wastelander who just happened to have good rp experience with the Mordinos. I met him in Redding during WWP project and his aproach was friendly and non-suspicious.
So I guess that sort of attitude is helpful in getting good roleplay experiences.

Quote from: falloutdude
when people are RPing they should be giveing warnings not shooting on sight or giving 3 sec warning and then fireing. if you follow theses basic steps i promise after some time people may like rping and join you guys or rp with them in a real gang fight in streets of reno.

Remember there's no militia to watch your ass in Reno so being alert is pretty important at all times. It's likely that every stranger may carry a gun or be dangerous in various ways. Not wanting to die is pretty damn credible roleplay so personal security should always be top priority.
Even if all these nuub-friendly warnings were given, humane error would still occur and roleplayers get flak. Soon they get enough of all the negative feedback and people telling them that they play "wrong" and all that's left is pure pvp again. Being roleplayer who can defend himself is like being a gm or antipk, you never do anything right.
In addition internet people seem to have weird expectations about roleplayers, they aproach them with asshole "hoho I can insult you all I like but you can't do anything about that". When they get shot they go QQ in public and tell they got shot for no reason. Just an experience from WWP.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 16, 2011, 05:36:09 pm
his aproach was friendly and non-suspicious.
Reminds me of myself!
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Rynn on July 16, 2011, 05:44:14 pm
...
Don't tell me that all what have been writen before is about killing people in a killing game ?
...


Well, just to be clear: Mordino's are PKer, but they only kill "Dickhead".

Mordino's point of view is realy simple, they are three kind of people in the wasteland:

Simple isn't it ?
All Mordino character are asshole, and every one have to deal with that. Sometime it's ok, sometime people are dying.
I'm sure that everyone can understand this... there is not so much Mordino after all... isn't it ? ;)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: A concerned wastelander on July 16, 2011, 07:37:43 pm
Mobster isn't some Mordino spokesman but random wastelander who just happened to have good rp experience with the Mordinos. I met him in Redding during WWP project and his aproach was friendly and non-suspicious.
So I guess that sort of attitude is helpful in getting good roleplay experiences.

Remember there's no militia to watch your ass in Reno so being alert is pretty important at all times. It's likely that every stranger may carry a gun or be dangerous in various ways. Not wanting to die is pretty damn credible roleplay so personal security should always be top priority.
Even if all these nuub-friendly warnings were given, humane error would still occur and roleplayers get flak. Soon they get enough of all the negative feedback and people telling them that they play "wrong" and all that's left is pure pvp again. Being roleplayer who can defend himself is like being a gm or antipk, you never do anything right.
In addition internet people seem to have weird expectations about roleplayers, they aproach them with asshole "hoho I can insult you all I like but you can't do anything about that". When they get shot they go QQ in public and tell they got shot for no reason. Just an experience from WWP.

I could not find better words. Totaly agree with you, most players dont understand what roleplaying is.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 16, 2011, 09:17:03 pm
I could not find better words. Totaly agree with you, most players dont understand what roleplaying is.

Uh aren't you listening? Never insulted them, as I told I was an ally and I was kurwa helping, they then shot me for no reason, that's not roleplaying, that's their fucking bloodthirst calling them because they got bored RPing and decided to start PKing again. So avv's argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: A concerned wastelander on July 16, 2011, 11:31:03 pm
So, really, how can we join? Or is it a private faction?

Heard there are some other gangs being *reenforced* too, anyway for solo players to join one of them?

Send me a private message if anyone have any offer.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: LeMark on July 16, 2011, 11:41:35 pm
So, really, how can we join? Or is it a private faction?

Mordino is french speaker only, but the Wright family is starting, maybe you can join them.

Coming there http://orphans.forum-actif.net/f81-the-desperado will be a good start...
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on July 17, 2011, 01:13:48 am
Mordino is french speaker only, but the Wright family is starting, maybe you can join them.
Actually, Wright family is only c88 + friends.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Lidae on July 17, 2011, 01:28:32 am
At the risk of being off topic, I thought I would lighten up the atmosphere by posting a little video of today's roleplay event in Reno. A boxing match arranged by the Mordinos, video report brought to you by the Wright family.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35269311/renoboxingevent2.avi

People can whine and complain all they want, but in my opinion that event was the most interesting thing that happened all day today in fonline, and I don't see anyone else taking initiative to make the game more interesting. So credit to TTTLA and the Mordinos for making it happen!
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: wreese2u on July 17, 2011, 05:16:04 am
Wait wait wait... my faction was making the wright family >:o
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Brick on July 17, 2011, 06:38:01 am
Wait wait wait... my faction was making the wright family >:o

Keyword, "was".
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jotisz on July 17, 2011, 08:17:26 am
Mordino's point of view is realy simple, they are three kind of people in the wasteland:
  • The Mordino's: they have to rule California... They are Mordino after all.
  • The junky: People who buy Mordino's Jet... some of them can be pilot, but most of them are drunkard or slut. Has long as they buy jet and don't fuck with the family, they are not "Dickhead"
  • The "Dickhead": they are useless for the family and should be eliminated is they become boring.
What about slavers ok I know now it can't be seen on a player if he is a slaver or not (sadly). But I think slavers are welcomed for jobs and trading with all the Reno mobs except with the Wrights but they aren't mobs but a real family... Btw I will probably check this out when I can since it does look interesting.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Sarakin on July 17, 2011, 05:52:54 pm
Salvatore goons are still free, I hope someone will take the responsibility to "roleplay" them.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Wipe on July 17, 2011, 07:19:04 pm
Salvatore goons are still free, I hope someone will take the responsibility to "roleplay" them.

Nobody said that we are limited to existing families and can't have one (or few!) "extra", right? ;)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Fridge_Man on July 17, 2011, 08:42:45 pm
Why only families? Someone should start to gather a gang of unarmed fighters, forming
the Jungle Gym Boxers Association! Or a Golden Globe porn actors union :D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Sarakin on July 17, 2011, 08:44:15 pm
You are right indeed, both of you.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Zozio on July 18, 2011, 12:19:39 am
So, really, how can we join? Or is it a private faction?

Heard there are some other gangs being *reenforced* too, anyway for solo players to join one of them?

Send me a private message if anyone have any offer.
The so-called "Mordinos" players group perhaps belongs to the Mordinos faction (even not sure) but are not the whole of it.

You can OF COURSE join the NPC Mordinos faction, for a real RP.

http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Mordino

http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Deliver_Jet_to_join_the_Mordino_family

OF course if you become a Mordinos, those who will kill you will have to pay it with a reputation loss from the .... Mordinos! (NPC).
with that method





Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: dskpnk on July 18, 2011, 12:23:08 am
Totally agree with Rio. It looks like that: 10 Mordino guys on Vigin, 10 Hawks/Whatever on Commercial Row(ofc they don't fight each other). t Aleast 5 scouts from Mordino and Hawks/Whatever on Second Street and merc controller with full pack of mercenaries spamming Gas Station preview... I got only 12 action points and 7 points burst. Its immposible to have fun alone, moreover its barely possible to have fun with less than 7 guys. Who has so many players? ;)

New Reno get used to be a place where I was able to get some fun and participate in some kind of fair fights. Sometimes, even if I lost, I felt happy. It was the place, where I could find honorable adversaries, that had the same expectations of New Reno like me. When large factions stopped participating in TC so often, no one knows from where, fights with large teams were moved to Reno.

Since the moment of origins Mordino Family, it became even worse. "SWARM" non-stop, but they think it's cool like hell. That's not even roleplaying. Still one can hear "lmao", "lol"(*rofl*). All the time I can see flying lazors - "Star Wars". I wonder why they do not stay at Virgin Street, but they spoil insistently fun in whole New Reno. It would be nice to agree with the fact, that Mordino Family "roleplay" would take place at Virgin Street only.

  Unguarded towns are almost empty, no one willing to do town control. Now you put your filthy hands on New Reno, last nice thing, making there "SWARM" fights. People are not even able to hold on the map. It's not New Reno I could imagine with roleplay project. Instead of this, you could restart Redding project and stop crying about PKs, that was ruining it ( according to yours).

Nothing more to say, manero and rio just tells everything, we broke alliance to have more fun in small fight in Reno (bored of swarms in TC) and mordino's or the same guys called TTTLA zergs, start a swarm camping roleplay in Reno !

You make a biggest swarm alliance to keep towns, so continue your "reeding project" (but was it a project or just a reason to regroup a lot of zergs ?!)

EDIT : Just tried going alone in reno, fight a mordino, get killed by a non mordino, no RP...
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: LeMark on July 18, 2011, 12:47:20 am
Nobody said that we are limited to existing families and can't have one (or few!) "extra", right? ;)

Yeah but is nice to have our own Casino  ;D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Astarot on July 18, 2011, 12:52:06 am
Quote
Why only families? Someone should start to gather a gang of unarmed fighters, forming
the Jungle Gym Boxers Association! Or a Golden Globe porn actors union

Indeed ! Good idea ! ^^
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 18, 2011, 01:17:56 am
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Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: jonny rust on July 18, 2011, 01:18:40 am
coming back to the original moan;

Reno is THE town for gangs and has been since it was conceived that way. It is supposed to be a place for multiple gangs to co-exist (peacefully or not) and it's whole philosophy is 'run with a pack or die'. Sure come alone if you want, everyone does it eventually but all of us that do have to expect failure and there is no point moaning about it afterwards. If you want one on one PvP there seems to be a fair few loner PK's in Redding these days. Things change sometimes, get used to it.

As for the Mordinos I have encountered them only once; they also told me to "stop" and when I did it was not followed by any bloodshed, only conversation. what more could you want from a gang that doesn't even know you, and who are the current ruling force of the turf you happen to be walking through?

p.s. next time you set up a poll give people real options, not just different versions of your opinion.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Heckler Spray on July 18, 2011, 01:32:49 pm
Seriously, guys, I wonder when you're gonna stop complaining and start playing instead.
You spent a year whinning about swarm, and as for now half of our team is trying something different with a bit of roleplay, and you're still complaining about swarm...
What's wrong with you ?
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Hololasima on July 18, 2011, 01:55:34 pm
Why swarm is bad? Swarm is really good, especially when enemies are really only few  8) Thats all. We will not stop playing with our friends just because you dont want die in deadly swarm. Just deal with it
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 18, 2011, 02:21:21 pm
And I dont really see how 5 Mordinos (most of times we are not more) can be qualified of swarmers ...
The maximum Mordinos I saw together is 9 ... when there is 240 poeple connected on the server.  ::)

Edit : that means Mordinos represent 3.75% of the server. I dont know how this 3.75% of the server can swarm the other 96.25% without these 96.25% can do anything  ;D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: RavenousRat on July 18, 2011, 04:23:52 pm
The maximum Mordinos I saw together is 9
And I saw 10 on this screenshot!!!
(http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/screen-10-07-2011-23-56-32.jpg)
10! 10! 10! Swarmers! Zergs! Swarmers! Massers! Swarmers! Maphackers with apm 30 double barrack no control tier1 rushers! And Swarmers!


But really why all threads where are words "LeMark" or "TTTLA" (or both) contain words that gang A has 40 players waiting on WM, while gang A saying that gang B has 50 players, but they appearing only when gang A has 1-3 players so they're fighting 3 vs 50, and when gang B has 1-3 players, gang A coming with thier 40 and fighting 40 vs 1. Also all mercs are russians!
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Perteks on July 18, 2011, 04:50:27 pm
2 of them are low than level they are on one rocket ;p
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: CaptOmg on July 23, 2011, 10:47:14 am
Goals next wipe: Join or make a Salvatore Family next wipe and wage war or ally with the Mordinos..
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 23, 2011, 11:32:29 am
Goals next wipe: Join or make a Salvatore Family next wipe and wage war or ally with the Mordinos..

Pple can do it now :p
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: CaptOmg on July 23, 2011, 11:42:39 am
Pple can do it now :p
For the last 4-3 days until wipe? Well I think that is a bit hard :P
Still not sure if wipe is exactly in 3-4 days though.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: runboy93 on July 23, 2011, 12:42:23 pm
For the last 4-3 days until wipe? Well I think that is a bit hard :P
Still not sure if wipe is exactly in 3-4 days though.
Hmm.. 30/08/2011 makes sense, because it has been year when server got last wipe.
Let's still wait month ;)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Floodnik on July 23, 2011, 02:50:43 pm
For the last 4-3 days until wipe? Well I think that is a bit hard :P
Still not sure if wipe is exactly in 3-4 days though.
Hah! I don't know how could it even occur to you that wipe will be in the next 3-4 days. I believe it's gonna be yet another few months - that's more likely.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Michaelh139 on July 25, 2011, 07:47:27 am
I mostly just hate it when they either

A.  Go to another town in full pack with this roleplaying characters....  I mean, it doesn't really make sense to see a mob of mordinos in a place like BH afterall.

B.  Relog on their other characters right after they get killed...  I'm not gonna bother mentioning names.

or

C.  Bring overly high tier gear considering their roleplay.  They're already a horde of cripplers, with....  Ew for god's sake which is also awfully backward for their RP.

Other than that fuck all.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on July 25, 2011, 09:18:01 am
Other than that fuck all.

All that you explained them doing is powergaming, except going to BH (guess there's reason for that aswell that we could argue over with 100 posts). Roleplaying without powergaming in this game is handing out free stuff and dying all the time because the ones who oppose the roleplaying use powergaming tactics. So either you get blasted by everybody and then there's no roleplay because you're dead all the time and without items. Or you fight back with metagaming methods with the tradeoff that your roleplay suffers. Or you roleplay in some private place with hand picked people but then the public can't participate in the activity.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jotisz on July 25, 2011, 10:37:19 am
Hm I should drop post I think to show a way that could work out.
Lets put Mordinos back to small guns gather 10 non Mordino char with whatever gear and weapon you wish they are not Mordinos just hired guns who are there for the promsed wealth that they will get if they kill of the enemies of Mordinos.
I think it would work better and could be justified easier and let things closer to the original Fallout where Slavatores head the energy weapons.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: jonny rust on July 25, 2011, 06:19:54 pm
All that you explained them doing is powergaming, except going to BH (guess there's reason for that aswell that we could argue over with 100 posts). Roleplaying without powergaming in this game is handing out free stuff and dying all the time because the ones who oppose the roleplaying use powergaming tactics. So either you get blasted by everybody and then there's no roleplay because you're dead all the time and without items. Or you fight back with metagaming methods with the tradeoff that your roleplay suffers. Or you roleplay in some private place with hand picked people but then the public can't participate in the activity.

agreed.

RP projects pop up a lot and most of them fail right away since they are just a few underpowered players trying create a dialogue based project with minimal means to defend themselves against an organized group or a few lone powerhouse characters. As soon as one of these projects emerges publicly they are A. told they will fail by much of the community and B. promised they will be targeted with raids to facilitate failure, which usually ends in a bath of RP blood. fine.

When an RP project (however loose the term may be) surfaces that can actually withstand these kinds of raids all of a sudden the raiders are up in arms about it, screaming that it's "not fair".

Well since when is the wasteland supposed to be fair? Isn't that just the opposite of the excepted wasteland motto? you know, the one everyone shouts in unison when its not their own ass getting death rained down on it?

I don't bitch and moan all over the forum when a retarded ape with a LSW mows me down for no reason, just because I decided to make a char that isn't 100% PvP and ended up RPing in the wrong place at the wrong time with a few other underpowered folks. Thats just the way it goes, and frankly I feel insulted when people who spend their time exterminating anyone they see start to complain about their own insignificant death here, and even worse start insinuating that there should be what? Rules? against gangs in Reno? what the shit is that? What are you expecting this thread to achieve? You think you will talk them out of it?

It doesn't matter if the Mordinos are good, bad, RP, PK, PvP, EW, SG, BG, gimped or powerbuilds. All that matters is that they are there, and if you don't like it then bring your own army and kick them out, but please stop whining about it.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: A concerned wastelander on July 25, 2011, 06:59:15 pm
frankly I feel insulted when people who spend their time exterminating anyone they see start to complain about their own insignificant death here, and even worse start insinuating that there should be what? Rules? against gangs in Reno? what the shit is that? What are you expecting this thread to achieve? You think you will talk them out of it?

I would even say, its funny as hell.

Dont forget roleplayers; You got to fight, for your right, to roleplay!
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Perteks on July 25, 2011, 07:07:28 pm
I would even say, its funny as hell.

Dont forget roleplayers; You got to fight, for your right, to roleplay!
And they quite fight for it xD
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Michaelh139 on July 25, 2011, 07:46:27 pm
Yes, making SG cripplers instead of EW cripplers is such a major difference, despite the fact having ew mordino is practically destroying the roleplay because there is only one faction within reno with hands on ew and that's the salvatores.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: RavenousRat on July 25, 2011, 07:56:24 pm
Yes, making SG cripplers instead of EW cripplers is such a major difference, despite the fact having ew mordino is practically destroying the roleplay because there is only one faction within reno with hands on ew and that's the salvatores.
Then just use imagination and change words "Mordino" to "Salvatore"!
or
It's 2255 now in FOnline, who knows what could be changed, may be Mordinos > Salvatores and started to co-operate with Enclave and now have thier light bringers! Since Jet is uncraftable, poor Enclave need supply for thier PvP apes and Myron, who's under control of Mordino, is the only source!
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Jescri on July 25, 2011, 08:04:06 pm
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A.  Go to another town in full pack with this roleplaying characters....  I mean, it doesn't really make sense to see a mob of mordinos in a place like BH afterall.
B.  Relog on their other characters right after they get killed...  I'm not gonna bother mentioning names.

or
C.  Bring overly high tier gear considering their roleplay.  They're already a horde of cripplers, with....  Ew for god's sake which is also awfully backward for their RP.

Other than that fuck all.

A. You are just mad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUbTYwkkdE&feature=youtube_gdata_player) to be killed in BH by Mordinos.
B. You are just mad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUbTYwkkdE&feature=youtube_gdata_player) to be killed in BH by TTTLA.
C. You are just mad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUbTYwkkdE&feature=youtube_gdata_player) to be cut in two parts with an EW shoot from Mordinos.

My solution -> try to play better  ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Michaelh139 on July 25, 2011, 08:09:13 pm
There hasnt been a time Mordinos have killed me without getting killed.

In other words... everytime i've showed up at their door me and my mates have won.

So uh... all you saying right now is bullshit. :)

Only tttla have won battles.

p.s.  nyan troll again?  Try to be more original next time before you troll jescri.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Simon on July 26, 2011, 04:54:11 am
I agree with RavenousRat completely, this isn't a closed book where if you want to roleplay you have to follow the story to the letter completely, times have changed and if you actually take the time and effort to participate in the roleplay you may find out why these Mordinos have acquired this high tech weaponary. Players should be able to create their own story (revisit a story and go through it) or continue a previous story in this game and not just say "awww Salvatores are meant to have energy weapons gtfo crap roleplay", At least these players are doing something. It might be a bit difficult to roleplay with them if they shoot you on sight or you shoot them on sight for what ever reason but if you manage to join in the roleplay then you will be able to understand what is going on but if you choose not to then its your problem, go and make your own roleplay if you think you can do better. - This is just some of my thoughts on RP.
It's not expected of players to be in character all the time and a player shouldn't just be restricted to Virgin street because he had Mordino in his name and he occasionaly rped there.

If you wan't to just fight, kill players and not roleplay then thats fine, I love to do that as well its one of the great aspects of the game, I get killed too when I am defenseless and I don't mind one bit but expect me to come back and punish you. If you can't handle many players on your own then bring some of your own friends to even the score, otherwise come back at another time.

I would also like to add that roleplay can be purely textual and weapons, clothing, location and player name are not required and are completely optional but when they are factored in it adds greatly to the roleplay experience and these Mordinos have chosen to use energy weapons and tied in a story with them but you will never understand what it is unless you participate and ask questions to them directly.

If you want to have a battle with them or anyone else then thats totally fine but dont come back crying and whinging after you opened fire on them and they fought back or brought backup and you got what was coming to you. Get some friends in game with you and settle your beef ingame.

Its really saddening when people who haven't made a single attempt or effort to role play try to hate on someone elses roleplay and then tell them how to do it.

Ofcourse you might get killed straight away for no reason but every one knows this and if they don't stop then fight back or leave, its a feature and risk of the game.

But this is all just my opinion ^^ Wastelanders have a choice to do what they want :)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on July 26, 2011, 10:04:33 am
There hasnt been a time Mordinos have killed me without getting killed.

In other words... everytime i've showed up at their door me and my mates have won.

That's because you catch them off guard while they are just hanging around inside. I've fought them too and it's easy to jump on them but after that they come back re-armed and organized.
In organized pvp you only go inside unprotected towns when you either wanna camp, attack or start a tc timer, there's no such thing as hanging around in virgin street because that gets you killed.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Michaelh139 on July 26, 2011, 08:56:02 pm
That's because you catch them off guard while they are just hanging around inside. I've fought them too and it's easy to jump on them but after that they come back re-armed and organized.
In organized pvp you only go inside unprotected towns when you either wanna camp, attack or start a tc timer, there's no such thing as hanging around in virgin street because that gets you killed.
Actually when we defeated mordinos once they came back re-armed and organized and we were just standing around the virgin street and we still beat them back...  twice in fact if I remember correctly, I remember two counter-attacks.  I was a semi-tank so I would always try to take most of the aggro and died :(.  I honestly can't remember specific weaponry but it was all in tier 2 or above for both sides.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Reiniat on July 26, 2011, 10:53:58 pm
it becomes BORING when a treath becomes a trolling treath after 5 pages, i only read the first post
And i completely agree with Rio, i also try to play this game alone and it becomes harsh to me because guys normally shot me with mercs or kill me in teams. But it is inevitable to suffer a honorless dead (unless you simply change of city after a kill)

This game let you many freedom, wich means than everybody will behave like morons, but it has an advantage: you can also behave like a lone-wolf moron!!!

PD: If your post looks like a ragepost most people will only read "i fall of my chair" or "this is completely unfair" and then lost the attention.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Surf on July 26, 2011, 10:56:40 pm
Well, it's not a hard thing to grasp that one person will probably stand little to no chance to an organized group. I don't see the reason to whine there, as this is a multiplayergame and people tend to stick together. Sure, playing as a loner is fun (I do it too) but I don't expect to stand any chance versus some bigger gang.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: _Youkai_ on August 30, 2011, 05:31:15 am
Agree with Rio.

Let Reno to us, big gangs. Go tc go go go!  >:(






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcayc_g2lac#t=01m05s
I don't wanna see swarm in my town...
 :'(
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Grzesiu on August 30, 2011, 12:26:43 pm
Agree with rascal, so low sniper u are: D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on August 30, 2011, 01:25:47 pm
it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on August 30, 2011, 01:45:05 pm
it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

I just was about to post this you forgot they use merceneries quite often and with that kind of amount of resources and people they should go town controlling , it's quite funny when we loose like 5 guys against them we ussualy go back as 5-6 and try a different approach but when they loose 3vs3 fight or 5 vs 5 + 4 merceneries they tend go back as like almost twice as many i am just saying maybe reno is too small for them , if their so active and many then maybe they should keep their word and leave the reno for smaller gangs :) ? When rogues have like 10-11 we don't even look at the reno unless there is like 10+ guys camping it's like another town control in new reno. Now tttla is long gone from reno and the how do i even call them all ? ;D have nothing to whine about but the funniest thing is they took tttla place as they as they saw it before.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Michaelh139 on August 30, 2011, 10:19:01 pm
I just was about to post this you forgot they use merceneries quite often
  I was, literally, 90% of the time the only one in the alliance that deployed mercenaries and even then it was very rare occassion.  I don't know where you get this from.

 
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and with that kind of amount of resources and people they should go town controlling
  we're a shitload of smaller gangs teaming up because we're tired of getting swarmed.  So, we don't really do TC as we are many seperated.  Only faction we are really affiliated for TC is vault city jazzers or Broken Hills hunters.

Besides, we don't actually have so many resources.  in case you don't notice most of this alliance is made up of laser or cripplers.

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if their so active and many then maybe they should keep their word and leave the reno for smaller gangs :) ? When rogues have like 10-11 we don't even look at the reno unless there is like 10+ guys camping it's like another town control in new reno.
  This isn't how we look at it as well?

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Now tttla is long gone from reno and the how do i even call them all ? ;D have nothing to whine about but the funniest thing is they took tttla place as they as they saw it before.
Difference being is we are what we are and don't lie about it. and we dont go in 10 + All BA Avenger/sniper rifle/plasma tanks.
We can't possibly be as boring  ;D
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on August 31, 2011, 12:23:49 am
(http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/screen-31-08-2011-00-15-34.jpg)

Yes, image competition has come back at last!

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it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

Yes, yes... I can see at least 8 people there, all good stuff and considering a character, that was used to take that preview has really, REALLY low perception. So I can assume there is 8+. I wonder why there is no TC timer on. Please let Triplerage answer as a first one. He knows the stuff goodly.

PS It's 9+. Details. Orpheus was also armed a bit later. :>
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on August 31, 2011, 01:20:28 am
1. There was tc earlier but now action. You probably know that already, but tc is more fun 15on15 than 8on8.

2. The screen caught in fact everyone, we were 8 people.

3. What the screen does not capture are the 6hawks in similar gear, the 3 tsar that also attacked us while we were dealing with the rest, and then finally the actual rest of another rather large group, probably jazzers or something.

it's not our fault that we're all in ba and that only 2 or so got killed each fight.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Kelin on August 31, 2011, 01:43:28 am
....but tc is more fun 15on15 than 8on8.
15on15, 30on30, 60on60, these so-called "swarm battles" aren't fun, it's chaos. Actually the most enjoyable TC is 10 people max on each side. My opinion.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on August 31, 2011, 01:48:36 am
need 15 people to conduct advanced strategies though. At least if you want to do more than "attack from that side" or "the other side".
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on August 31, 2011, 09:46:13 am
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it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

You have said it, not me. Otherwise I wouldn't have had a reason to post here and there was no condition if there is TC before or not. You can start another timer. :) I could say: "(...), but New Reno fights are more fun 5on5, than 10on10." Everyone has own preferences, but your group in this picture could be defined as swarming in New Reno in whole topic background and according to bold text above.

Yes, Hawks had similar numbers (you were 9!!! :p Though, not using sneakers is weird...), so your statement about said "great" numbers of the other groups is a bit risky, to still go with.

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(...)then finally the actual rest of another rather large group, probably jazzers or something.
You say like that in this case and another time you're sure how many someone is. I'm not going into details, but I find it just hilarious.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on August 31, 2011, 01:34:03 pm
we're a shitload of smaller gangs teaming up because we're tired of getting swarmed.  So, we don't really do TC as we are many seperated.  Only faction we are really affiliated for TC is vault city jazzers or Broken Hills hunters.Besides, we don't actually have so many resources.  in case you don't notice most of this alliance is made up of laser or cripplers.

You talk like i have never played with you guys , it's more than possible to add most of your guys to one base in over few days and about resources all you need is a lot of rocket launchers and few snipers don't go all leather jackets you will be fine. I see you have improved over time , better communication and actually pulling of some kind of strategies maybe move on to TC and don't make excuses :) ?

I agree new reno fights are quicker less intensive and actually more enjoyable if actually fought approximately 5 vs 5 than more. If actually most of the gangs agree smaller fights are far superior in reno why do we still see 10 on 10 action and sometimes even bigger numbers when the total player count in new reno can even reach 25+ and if there are mercs involved this rather should be TC action. I figured out pointing fingers who has the most numbers is pointless and will not lead to any good.

Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on August 31, 2011, 01:59:28 pm
You say like that in this case and another time you're sure how many someone is. I'm not going into details, but I find it just hilarious.
the problem is, that we on our side have no fucking idea of all the little pk gangs that are out there. Since they keep changing constellations, probably base raping each other and themselves in the process, there's no way to keep track of who is allied to who. What I'm trying to say is, that if there's Gr1m on commercial, reese on virgin street and korrell on 2nd street we have no idea if they are allied or not, and thus we have to prepare for the worst case.

Also, yesterday's action at reno started with one of us seeing 7 geared guys on commercial and he called for help. When we were about to go in for the first time, we were 4 people.

I don't know what it is like for you guys, but if we call for backup it arrives in a minute. Have heard some stories of certain gangs needing 3 hours to get ready for modoc tc in the past.

And even if 5on5 fights are more fun in reno, waht do you want to do if you see 7 inside?ggo with 5 and get killed? keep it real.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on August 31, 2011, 02:30:19 pm
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the problem is, that we on our side have no fucking idea of all the little pk gangs that are out there.
Bold text above could be used to justify many things, that happens/happened among your men. :)

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Since they keep changing constellations, probably base raping each other and themselves in the process, there's no way to keep track of who is allied to who.
"Probably" is such a strong word. I almost believed, that you know indeed, but you have "no fucking idea". Despite this fact, you wrote it.

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Also, yesterday's action at reno started with one of us seeing 7 geared guys on commercial and he called for help. When we were about to go in for the first time, we were 4 people.
I posted you the screen and it was quite "fresh". You post some kind of tale here or your mate posted screen before, that was taken long time ago. Just to post it, because I am not able to find any rational explanation for that.

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I don't know what it is like for you guys, but if we call for backup it arrives in a minute. Have heard some stories of certain gangs needing 3 hours to get ready for modoc tc in the past.
Thanks for information, but I could assume it takes so little time for backup to arrive, because it already awaits on the WM. Frankly, I would never enter, if there are inside many guys, that certainly are hostile towards me. Again, you know many stories and I know some stories about TTTLA (here I will write later any shit that will be in accordance with my current opinion).

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And even if 5on5 fights are more fun in reno, waht do you want to do if you see 7 inside?ggo with 5 and get killed? keep it real.
Like it was said a few+ post above, rarely someone saw 7+ men inside New Reno, that was camping there, like you tend to. Regardless other opinions, I've not seen something like this in such large scale.
Moreover, have you checked if it's not some kind of role play there? If you have not, here appears a doubt. You have entered there without scouting like you tend to do, just to crush everything with "great" :) numbers or you wanted some rough interaction with mentioned RP project. They could be just passing-by traders, why not. I do not suggest attacking them would be something wrong, but instead you could ask your friends from TTTLA to help them out with it. I am sure, it wasn't perfect and the same, experience of TTTLA with RP project cannot be questioned.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on August 31, 2011, 03:03:41 pm
I posted you the screen and it was quite "fresh". You post some kind of tale here or your mate posted screen before, that was taken long time ago. Just to post it, because I am not able to find any rational explanation for that.
I am on the screen myself. You Posted that screen, basically implying that we went there with 8 People for nothing. To clear things up I tried to give the people the full story of what happened.

And then you tell me im talking bullshit of soe other action? seriously man, that's beyond retarded. Despite the fact that surf solar will lock this thread soon enough anyway, why the hell are you even talking to me here?

You post a screen as a third party on world map that was not part of any of the action and then you tell me, as someone who was obviously was inside, that I have no idea of what happened?

Too bad we only have a video of the second rush how we kill hawks and 3 tsar, not the first part of the action. If you pressed on preview one minute earlier you would see the same picture, just with hawks names and some loot lying around.

The point is though, You are not wrong. But you are not right either. And some people just can't tell that "Not being wrong" doesn't mean "being right".
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on August 31, 2011, 04:27:55 pm
it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

This was first redundant answer. Just simple arguing about numbers. If you are not able to catch it, I will rephrase it with your language rules: "you have moar people and dont ask us to not bring all we have atm". You're welcome. Also I see, you suggest finely to start TC timer, when someone's group reaches 8. I still can remember the nice sentence like "Do you want to tell me how I should play?". :) Guess, who is the author of this.

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I am on the screen myself. You Posted that screen, basically implying that we went there with 8 People for nothing.
You went there to kill people, I have no doubts for your simple intentions, but still you told TC is more suitable for larger number of players.

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(...)then finally the actual rest of another rather large group, probably jazzers or something.
At the same time considering also:
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You post a screen as a third party on world map that was not part of any of the action and then you tell me, as someone who was obviously was inside, that I have no idea of what happened?
You're inside location and you're not able to call your enemies you were fighting and then you just say how many they were, using particular names? That could be called as "retarded" or very unwise. In the same way I could say you were 20, because I fight you both; Hawks and Crazy88. I said, that image competition had come back. You and your mates started it, so I assumed it's much easier for you to comprehend content in the picture, instead of many letters.

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And then you tell me im talking bullshit of soe other action?
Quote that part, please.

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Despite the fact that surf solar will lock this thread soon enough anyway, why the hell are you even talking to me here?
Yes, but much easier would be to remove your posts deprived of valuable content for the whole matter, either warning. However, I am a bit surprised you can predict things so easily or you just want to obtain the state like that. I did not force you to post here anything, if you do, you have to accept, that someone other has the right to answer.

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If you pressed on preview one minute earlier you would see the same picture, just with hawks names and some loot lying around.
As far as I know, when the topic was established, you and some other groups weren't fighting each other. It gives more people on the one side. If you want to talk about that one fight, create new topic and I will not post there. This one concerns big fights in New Reno and that screen is suitable to post here and I cannot see any reason to go into details.
At the end, I propose you to start using "Read->consider->post" method. Apparently, you do not use it or you missed middle ring of this simple chain.

I apologize everyone, that could be annoyed with quotation every single sentence, but like I said some just get it easier with pictures. The rest they can make up themselves in that case. :)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on August 31, 2011, 05:27:42 pm
well, you wiht your pvp experience should know that one action is not over after one fight.

First, some of us saw 7geared people in reno so they called for backup sicne they wer eonly 4 at that time. When we had like  or 8 on wm ourselves we had information of around 4 hawks spawning on commercial, engaging in combat so we spawned on 2nd street ourselves and went in, killing everyone there. We quickly grabbed the loot and ran out just to see around 6 hawks spawning on commercial again so we quickyl dropped our loot and spawned 2nd street again.

From that point on one of us recorded how we then went to commercial and attacked the hawks, while 3 tsar were coming from 2nd street,

Now I ask you, what kind of problem do you have with that action? I don't see anything in there worth crying about.

You took one screen at one point of the whole operation and based on that you cry "trololol why u not tc u even said so urself olol"

but enjoy your strawman argument.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on August 31, 2011, 05:52:21 pm
It's better if someone bases on something (anything, it is), than just tell silly stories. You do not have pics/vids and it's not my problem. I do not cry, I point you're wrong and it has more to do with your 1st post:
it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.
rather that one fight.  Now, I am really scared. You don't read my posts carefully, but also don't it with yours. It's not topic about your "operation" with tactics or without -> new topic. I got more pictures, just not going to make one big gallery here by the way.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on August 31, 2011, 06:05:41 pm
It's better if someone bases on something (anything, it is), than just tell silly stories.

I like to read stuff from the enemy's point of view. Sometimes it's hilarious what sort of misconceptions they have. For example Bhh thought once I was some sort of leader of TTTLA.
It's impossible to know what exactly happened in certain situations so players just tell their own point of view. If we were always supposed to be 100% right and prove everything without any misleading evidence there wouldn't be any talk about pvp ever.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on August 31, 2011, 06:25:04 pm
That's really interesting. The topic was assessed as crying from one side, when there was much bigger alliance on the another side. My own point of view of course and I really wonder who would be brave enough to judge a fight as omniscient arbiter. Although I was on the WM for some time, I can at least say who was fighting who. John Porno has problems again, which don't stop him from telling how many people got every side. Now some man has problems:
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it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.
Topic was abandoned for some time and no one had problems, at least here. So John Porn says someone has the greatest number, but screen depicts, that he's a bit wrong... Nothing more to tell at this.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on September 01, 2011, 01:34:57 am
The fuck are you dancing about one damn screenshot it's like .... hello dumbness reaches the skies ! Talk about things in general , from rogues point of view most of the battles and by most of i mean at least like 2/3 we were only trying to intercept the battles as a third party because we didn't have the numbers. I see it simple , guess who is camping new reno mostly the (random amount of factions allied together aka the faceless blob ) guess who likes to come back more than they need to deal with current enemies (people need to think for 2 sec here ) yes that's right you just guessed the one million dollar answer the faceless blob , they are more and guess what are they still doing --> see the first action , from random faction view....

Random faction guy one: " hey guys let's go TC modoc "
Random faction guy two: " hmm good idea maybe someone will show up "
Random faction guy three: " wait i scouted like 11 guys in new reno and maybe more and a lot of fighting going on "
Random faction guy one: " ehmm .... well if so many people are in new reno we should go there "
Random faction guy two: " okay reno it is "

In the end there is another town control in new reno yeah ..... the cause of problem is too many guys showing up to camp new reno in the end faceless blob is always right and it's never their fault cause " we have so many people what should we do " ---> go tc !

No what's or buts otherwise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU

btw i actually had problems calling you all as a gang so faceless blob well isn't original but what the heck suits you fine.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Lidae on September 01, 2011, 04:24:01 am
Dear Aquare,

You posted a screenshot of me, John and 6 other people on commercial street in Reno, asking us why we were there instead of starting a tc timer. Given the criticism of large scale wars in Reno, your question is fair - allow me one humble attempt to explain to you what I believe happened in this particular instance.

At first cham0 from TTTLA came to our (C88) channel on mumble and asked if we were interested in fighting some people in Reno - he and recon had spotted approximately seven people in good gear (BA), and one of the names were associated with having spawned mercs in the past, so it seemed like we were up for quite a challenge. At the time it was only me and Leon in our channel, making us four versus possibly 7 or more people.

Since our odds didn't look too promising, I went and asked some people that were online on our IRC channel. More people than I expected were willing to join, and we ended up with 8 people in total. After a while a ninth person joined, and a minute or so later another guy dropped out, so our numbers were 8 for the majority of the duration.

At this point I suppose one could stop and ask if, since we're after all 8 people online and ready, we shouldn't instead start a TC timer. The reason we didn't, or why nobody even suggested it, was that a fight in reno was more or less guaranteed, whereas you can never be sure that anyone will come if you start a TC timer. Thus we went with the "safe" option, providing the best chances for us to have some fun PvP.

So we got ready and when we saw the enemy, we entered the town and the fighting started. I usually try to record every action that I'm in, since you never know in advance if a fight will be fun to watch afterwards, but unfortunately I wasn't really paying attention, and I only hit the record button about half way into the first fight. We ended up winning the fight, and the screenshot you posted is taken only a few moments before we all leave again: it is just after we have secured most of the loot.

A short while later, the action resumes, and we have another decent fight, although not as gratifying as I had hoped.

The fights were in no way spectacular, and the recordings even less so. I personally made several mistakes and was not really focused, so I was a bit disappointed overall. But since you have showed such a keen interest in the exact transpiring of the events that night, just to quench your healthy thirst for knowledge, I have compiled for you my unedited footage, and uploaded it to youtube. I didn't plan to upload it before, because I don't think it's interesting enough to watch. But for you, I made an exception :). This way you can see exactly who was where and how large each side was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfc10wQ62uk

Please watch it, and if you have any complaints or arguments why this type of action should be disallowed in Reno, why they bother you so much, or if you have suggestions on how any of us can avoid them in the future or to make the playing experience better for all of us, I am all ears.

Have a good day/night, whenever you are.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Michaelh139 on September 01, 2011, 04:34:29 am
I wish we all gangs (at least the ones with numbers, so the smaller ones have a chance any.) would lean toward a low tier gear agreement in new reno.  I mean, all tier 3 gear everywhere in fallout like is for most part is ridiculous enough but jeese, can't have one place where you aren't raped by a guy in ba/avenger killing you in combat leather jacket and a 10mm smg.

With low tier gear, numbers won't matter quite as much, as death rate will be much smaller, and real tactic can be formed on how to win against enemy.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on September 01, 2011, 10:10:42 am
At first cham0 from TTTLA came to our (C88) channel on mumble and asked if we were interested in fighting some people in Reno - he and recon had spotted approximately seven people in good gear (BA), and one of the names were associated with having spawned mercs in the past, so it seemed like we were up for quite a challenge. At the time it was only me and Leon in our channel, making us four versus possibly 7 or more people.

This is exactly what im talking about if there is a large number camping reno already you can't expect people to come with small numbers and if someone is in reno it guarantees a fight because fighting with the timer isn't fun.

Michael everyone likes ba/avenger it's teh power altough lazers can counter it just by shooting arms , and leather jacket , 10 mm smg can you pick more shitier weapons wheres the fun bursting a guy 4 or 5 times till he is dead , i like how pvp is with high tier shit fast and aggressive not some tb or low tier combat where you have like half a day to think , btw low tier combat will just end up being SS eating contest if you can't kill the guys fast enough and that's even more crap.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on September 01, 2011, 10:15:38 am
I just was about to post this you forgot they use merceneries quite often and with that kind of amount of resources and people they should go town controlling(...)

it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.

As an answer I posted screen, we have agreement you're nine there at the peak. One could call it kind of "proof" and just stop, but you're, for unknown reason/s explaining all matter. Thank you very much for detailed description, but it doesn't help much. Maybe Korell, notiluss and Rio have similar justification, you cannot just say they camp New Reno for nothing. :) I just do not have any reason to believe. And now I say: "They weren't so many!" or they could spot like 15 enemies inside, enter, enemy is gone and then you made preview. In my opinion if someone writes, that adversary uses mercenaries very often or has more people, he had many opportunities to record it or take screenshot - it's not that hard. Especially, if he doesn't have any issues with recording victories. In my opinion screenshot (quite new) is much more reliable than just word of John Porno in this case.

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The fuck are you dancing about one damn screenshot it's like .... hello dumbness reaches the skies ! Talk about things in general , from rogues point of view most of the battles and by most of i mean at least like 2/3 we were only trying to intercept the battles as a third party because we didn't have the numbers. I see it simple , guess who is camping new reno mostly the (random amount of factions allied together aka the faceless blob ) guess who likes to come back more than they need to deal with current enemies (people need to think for 2 sec here ) yes that's right you just guessed the one million dollar answer the faceless blob , they are more and guess what are they still doing --> see the first action , from random faction view....
I said, I was not going into details of that screen, if someone is, he's doing wrong in my opinion. I just use it to define numbers. I do not expect screenshot to explain or prove everything what happened, still it's more than just empty words. I do not think so, John Porno analyzed situation of 8-15 guys camping New Reno precisely enough. Though, it could not be just one time, but I am sure he remembers one at least. He just said it, so why I should not. You just got pic extra.

I have no idea, if you can read a bit smaller letters, but notice when John Porno posted:
it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.
If he's sure, let him paste screenshot, taken after 30.08.2011 of course. He had enough time to discuss older ones. For me 8-15 men camping New Reno with mercenaries (at least 5!) are worth of taking screenshot.
Yesterday, someone called 1 man, literally, group of many (I see it should be 3+ at least, no idea what many means for everyone, but if they entered with mercenaries, they had to thought about more) and also found random faction name for him. Similar you can assess numbers in New Reno, that's why screenshot is useful.

About low tier gear, rocket launcher is tier 1 and it's still very good. :) Anyway, I like the idea - lower damage, longer fight.

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So we got ready and when we saw the enemy, we entered the town and the fighting started. I usually try to record every action that I'm in, since you never know in advance if a fight will be fun to watch afterwards, but unfortunately I wasn't really paying attention, and I only hit the record button about half way into the first fight. We ended up winning the fight, and the screenshot you posted is taken only a few moments before we all leave again: it is just after we have secured most of the loot.
Use Amboy Tactical Tool (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=16218.0). :)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Michaelh139 on September 01, 2011, 12:48:57 pm
Michael everyone likes ba/avenger it's teh power
Proof?
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and leather jacket , 10 mm smg can you pick more shitier weapons wheres the fun bursting a guy 4 or 5 times till he is dead
it's called an example, not like it will be only weapon.  Flamers (Improved flamers, fuel mk2.  Huge damage on armor below tier 3). and M60s exist. and they are not tier 3 are they? 

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I like how pvp is with high tier shit fast and aggressive not some tb or low tier combat where you have like half a day to think
Ok thats your opinion no need to bash on others over it.  besides, you can't exactly fight in TB in towns can ya?
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btw low tier combat will just end up being SS eating contest if you can't kill the guys fast enough and that's even more crap.
There's a reason SS's cause 9 damage to health over time, besides, you really think people are gonna bring tons of Super Stims over a leather jacket and 10mm smg or a leather armor and assault rifle?  Really dude?
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on September 01, 2011, 02:19:59 pm
I still understand Aquares point at all though.

We go in with 8 people to attack an equally large group and he takes a screenshot of us and makes us look like we are the evil reno swarmers.

Please Aquare, just answer me this, if there is a large group of enemies camping in commercial, what is wrong with entering with an equally large group to kill them?

Do you wantus to wait on wm for 2 hours until their forces have halved or what? Lidae's post summed everything up perfectly. In no way we swarmed the enemy there and the fights were as fair as it can get in reno. At least the average person would not complain there, just the guy who wasnt even there in the first place does, for no reason at all.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Grzesiu on September 01, 2011, 02:24:56 pm
Actually most times is that, large squad waiting on WM till some unlucky guys will enter and getting swarmed :p
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on September 01, 2011, 02:49:20 pm
Of course, Hawks or Crazy88/TTTLA would not resist entering with 5 men on 1, if they can see him from preview. I am too lazy to describe these, believe or not. Anyway, I like much the case when LeMark enters with his Avenger on RAMBO, actually believing he can pwn everyone there :). If he loses, ultra quick backup enters from WM. Yes guys, I know you can get everywhere much quicker than everyone else... Do not post me, if LeMark is active or not here, please. Also I do not have any problems with this tactic as well, but last time he entered and killed bunch of newbies. Challenge!!!  Notice, it happens very often, Hawks or you in New Reno and then side that enters says there was someone already inside. Was fight with equals numbers and what? I don't have problem with that as well. Topic was a bit abandoned for some time and you brought new stuff here, where there is (at least in theory) different distribution of forces. Still, if you like zergs fights in New Reno, go on. Just do post things like (I'm quoting it like 6th time):
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it's always fun though how I see guys like Korrell, notiluss, rio and a lot of others in groups from 8 to 15 camping on commercial and not going into tc. Compared to tttla/c88 and hawks these days, you guys have the greatest numbers.
Paste screenshots or just stop. If there had been so many guys like you told, they would have entered as 3rd probably during the fight you got on YT.

About Tripleight's post - "no comment" is enough. Maybe do not apply to whole posts, but for sure to large part of it.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Lidae on September 01, 2011, 03:43:26 pm
Dearest Aquare,

Thank you so much for suggesting the Amboy Tactical Tool to me, I am sure it will come in handy in the future.

It is evident that you are a busy man, speaking with many people here at once. I'm trying not to despair, yet I am compelled to point out that I feel one of my questions have been given insufficient attention from you. I understand things can easily slip great minds, however agile. To refresh your memory, here's what happened so far:

You posted a screenshot and asked a good question. I tried my best to answer this question, and I finished off with a question of my own. I believe I explained the situation regarding our number in New Reno, and I would be very intrigued to receive your feedback on the matter, in particular if there is any aspect of what happened that you disagree with or find distasteful, dishonest, rude or just plain wrong for any other reason. If it's not too much to ask, please enlighten me, so that I can do what is in my limited power to make the gaming experience more pleasant for all of us.

I do hope all is well with you.

Yours sincerely,

Lidae
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on September 01, 2011, 04:31:11 pm
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It is evident that you are a busy man, speaking with many people here at once. I'm trying not to despair, yet I am compelled to point out that I feel one of my questions have been given insufficient attention from you. I understand things can easily slip great minds, however agile.
I have not commented so far your post, as I am certain it doesn't concern the main topic.

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At this point I suppose one could stop and ask if, since we're after all 8 people online and ready, we shouldn't instead start a TC timer. The reason we didn't, or why nobody even suggested it, was that a fight in reno was more or less guaranteed, whereas you can never be sure that anyone will come if you start a TC timer. Thus we went with the "safe" option, providing the best chances for us to have some fun PvP.
The only man, that suggested what people with exact numbers should do is John Porno. Directly or indirectly - he did. I only asked, why he doesn't follow his own beliefs. I am convinced, that you can define it with some word, if only know it.
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Please watch it, and if you have any complaints or arguments why this type of action should be disallowed in Reno, why they bother you so much, or if you have suggestions on how any of us can avoid them in the future or to make the playing experience better for all of us, I am all ears.
It does not bother me, it just attracts me in the context of John Porno's post (first one).
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I would be very intrigued to receive your feedback on the matter, in particular if there is any aspect of what happened that you disagree with or find distasteful, dishonest, rude or just plain wrong for any other reason. If it's not too much to ask, please enlighten me, so that I can do what is in my limited power to make the gaming experience more pleasant for all of us.
It's not request board, despite topic has suggestive title. It's discussion (widely understood). What a shame, some are not able to realise it. 1st John Porno's post is lame joke or an example of writing without considering matter before. Nevertheless, it's much easier to write whatever you want and then aim at the closing the topic. I hope John Porno had the valid reason to "renew" issue, which the topic concerns.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on September 01, 2011, 04:48:18 pm
I wish we all gangs (at least the ones with numbers, so the smaller ones have a chance any.) would lean toward a low tier gear agreement in new reno.  I mean, all tier 3 gear everywhere in fallout like is for most part is ridiculous enough but jeese, can't have one place where you aren't raped by a guy in ba/avenger killing you in combat leather jacket and a 10mm smg.

With low tier gear, numbers won't matter quite as much, as death rate will be much smaller, and real tactic can be formed on how to win against enemy.

Not going to happen. It's the same thing as suggesting people not to make good builds.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Lidae on September 01, 2011, 05:09:40 pm
Dear Aquare,

Thank you for your swift reply, I am humbled and grateful that you have taken the time to clear things up for me, so that I may have a chance to understand what is going on.

I regret to tell you this, but I feel it is nevertheless my duty to confess that there are still words and sentences in this thread that despite my greatest efforts still fall beyond my comprehension. Allow me to elaborate.

Although I have joined in late in this discussion (great word to describe these written exchanges - thank you!), I was under the impression that you asked all who were reading a question, in connexion with the screenshot you posted, in which I am present (for clarity and reference, I am Formicidae). I see now that it must have been a so called rhetorical question: the kind that demands no answer, but rather aims to illuminate the absurdity of answering such a question in the first place. I hope you can forgive me for being so presumtuous, and not realising that it was, in fact, quite off topic to go into details of why in my understanding my friends and I were not attempting to "swarm" the streets of New Reno.

Of course no one asked for my opinion on the matter, but seeing as your beef here is with John Porno, whom I count as a friend and ally, may I perhaps be so bold as to suggest an alternative interpretation of his words, which I believe you have now quoted  eight times (an exotic yet surprisingly effective rhetorical strategy if I may say so, of course executed in a truly masterful way). Perhaps one could look at John's words as not so much of a suggestion of how other people should be playing the game, but rather as an attempt to illustrate the hypocrisy of saying that large teams should steer clear away from Reno and do TC instead, while at the same time frequently being present in large constellations quite equal in numbers to the ones that were previously condemned. Or to phrase it differently, to ask of others to avoid doing one thing, while at the same time doing it yourself.

Again, I am terribly sorry for having abused this thread as if it were some sort of request board - of course it is not! Please forgive my insolence, I will do my best to not let this atrocious mistake be repeated. I only hope that you know somewhere, deep inside, that it was not my intention, but merely my lack of foresight, that were the root cause of this.

Yours sincerely,

Lidae
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Sarakin on September 01, 2011, 05:46:32 pm
@haters: Guess what, people can do in FOnline anything they want (as long it is not illegal) and you can either deal with it or complain on forum (and it seems you have chosen the second one)
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on September 01, 2011, 06:03:54 pm
Sure, they can, but they cannot refuse other's right to assess their activities, can they? Discuss!
Yes, this board is for people who want to share their opinions. If you are not able to share yours (whatever is a reason), do not post. If you are, then you post. Third possibility: you're not able to share your opinions (or you do not have any), but you post anyway (and it seems you have chosen third).
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Sarakin on September 01, 2011, 07:08:51 pm
Ive read enough threads to know, that you cant tell people what to do and what they cant do. Still new and new people (like you) try to persuade others what are they doing wrong and how should they play. Dont be surprised when this conversation will lead to nowhere
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on September 01, 2011, 07:35:53 pm
Like said: "It's not request board, despite topic has suggestive title. It's discussion (widely understood). What a shame, some are not able to realise it."
I can propose, then persuade and comment. Convincing someone isn't the same what giving an order. Regardless this, I comment mostly, but I am afraid you cannot notice subtle difference. I am not surprised it leads nowhere, but it caused by people LIKE you (oh no, that phrase again and it sounds like an accusation!), who post nothing valuable at the same time pushing away essence on the sidetrack.
Also please read one more time, who renewed conversation, like you called it. Ask the author, who is the right person to give any explanations. For me, it was a signal the issue is also perceptible on the other side. Otherwise I do not catch why that post appeared here at all.
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Ive read enough threads to know, that you cant tell people what to do and what they cant do.
Never have done such a thing. Refer.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: avv on September 01, 2011, 08:12:13 pm
Considering:Never have done such a thing. Refer.

Sure, they can, but they cannot refuse other's right to assess their activities, can they? Discuss!

Maybe you haven't done it but that's not what Sarakin meant. He meant in general: nobody can tell others how to play or question their ingame activities. Except when cheating or exploits are involved.
Sure you can suggest, propose, persuade and comment but it will just lead to "Deal with it" response or shrugging.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: T-888 on September 01, 2011, 08:17:27 pm
Proof? it's called an example, not like it will be only weapon.  Flamers (Improved flamers, fuel mk2.  Huge damage on armor below tier 3). and M60s exist. and they are not tier 3 are they? 
 Ok thats your opinion no need to bash on others over it.  besides, you can't exactly fight in TB in towns can ya?There's a reason SS's cause 9 damage to health over time, besides, you really think people are gonna bring tons of Super Stims over a leather jacket and 10mm smg or a leather armor and assault rifle?  Really dude?

Im the proof , i like to use the best available tech what's wrong about that ? I don't want to fight TB in towns , there's a reason for ordinary stimpacks and that SS heal 10 times more the damage than they do over time , fighting only low tech isn't viable you would have to balance the whole existing armor and weapon system otherwise the whole wasteland is gonna run around with lazer pistols , and yes people will bring huge amounts of SS at least as much as now or even more. So stop dreaming and being so naive.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Aquare on September 01, 2011, 08:34:26 pm
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Sure, they can, but they cannot refuse other's right to assess their activities, can they? Discuss!
First, it doesn't concern the game itself and it was rather encouraging. Exclamation mark, doesn't mean it has to be a command.
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nobody can tell others how to play or question their ingame activities.
I see what he means and never have done. I cannot see a problem. I will repeat: John Porno signaled there is something worth of writing about.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: John Porno on September 01, 2011, 10:57:58 pm
now stop refering to me all the time, trying to figure out was I was saying.

You already said like 3 times that I started the whole thing but as far as I can see, you posted the screen, reviving the thread in the process.

Naive as you are you are not implying anything at all. And of course, that one screen doesnt have anything at all to do with anything that may have happened 30 seconds before or after it was taken. Needless to say, people will always take you word for word and never ask any questions, nor will their arguments be of any merit. Obviously it also doesn't matter if people present facts to you, there's no need at all to even consider facts in the first place, or generally take into account other peoples' opinions.

Yep.

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But it's all fine I guess, since we'll go even more off topic as Aquare keeps ignoring Lidae, probably because he's stating facts which do not compute with Aquares' opinion.
Title: Re: Hands off! - New Reno
Post by: Surf on September 01, 2011, 11:10:20 pm
This thread is leading nowhere.
Locked.