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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: johnny hash on February 06, 2010, 06:13:31 pm
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First of all, fonline is a great game and I can see the huge effort that is put into this.
The only thing that is bothering me is the lack of a common launguage. You go to NCR: people speak polish, russian(mostly) and even swedish.
I mean the russians for example have their own server where english is forbidden. so cant we have a server where the only language for interaction is english?
and ps. sorry for my bad english :)
btw. where can i get a new guns and bullets magazine. Some fuck stole it from me.
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English is forbidden on TLA?
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It's red dawn, better start shooting at them.
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English is forbidden on TLA?
Well not officially but they shoot you in sight if you have a name in roman alphabet.
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Well, why don't you do the same with cryllic?
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Well, why don't you do the same with cryllic?
Because I`m civilised
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I think the different languages are fine. There are enough people of each language for different languages to work. Also, why would you want English to be only "allowed" language if you don't natively speak English?
Well not officially but they shoot you in sight if you have a name in roman alphabet.
A lot of people shoot you on-sight on this server too. :P
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Because it's the most common language in the internet.
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I think the different languages are fine. There are enough people of each language for different languages to work. Also, why would you want English to be only "allowed" language if you don't natively speak English?
Why play an MMORPG when you can only communicate with 30% of the community? Crafting and Shooting things alone isnt that much fun
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Well, why don't you do the same with cryllic?
Beleve me, we do =]
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Nobody likes being told they can't speak their own language, but having a lot of different languages in use doesn't help the already fractured community. It's a toughie.
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Dont see any problem, more people, means more trade. And most of them speak english too.
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Then just don't allow non-english characters into general chat and encourage people to use their native-speak in "Out of character" if you must. And I guess removing cyrilic would only do some good to russians playing. People became really nazi about them after behaviour of some of them so they get shot on sight now. It's only making cross hate bigger then smaller.
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In game my char has russian name and I have no problem with trading in NCR. I speak with people on english as I can.
p.s. my english is very bad ;D
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Whats the problem? Im Czech. And just people have to accept that here in game is big part of players with slavonic roots. I can understand Czech, Slovakian, bit Poland, Bulgarian, Russian and so on. And Cyrillic? Thats no problem. If you are with slavonic roots, just learn the ABC and u get the point of talk. If u arent. U dont need to know ABC, because it wont tell u even a sh** ehm nothing. So stop being NAZI and let this server multi language :) Because its nice. Server pure english is boring :)
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Then just don't allow non-english characters into general chat and encourage people to use their native-speak in "Out of character" if you must. And I guess removing cyrilic would only do some good to russians playing. People became really nazi about them after behaviour of some of them so they get shot on sight now. It's only making cross hate bigger then smaller.
I can't believe posts like this... How about letting Russians (or any other language group) decide what's good for them on their own?
What does it bother you, people, that someone uses a language you can't understand? It's their choice with whom they want to communicate. If you can't understand something they say, it means it's not addressed to you. Stop being fucking egocentric. And it's bullshit that you can't communicate with people. From my experience almost everyone knows some basic English. Let it be just "buy", "sell", "don't kill". Personally, I like that this game is so multinational, because I actually enjoy trying to talk in different languages.
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You know how many mmos have multi language support? None because its a fucking stupid idea. The whole point is player interaction, you can't do that if you can't understand each other. Non english speakers should stick to TLA.
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Server pure english is boring :)
Why ?
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First of all, fonline is a great game and I can see the huge effort that is put into this.
The only thing that is bothering me is the lack of a common launguage. You go to NCR: people speak polish, russian(mostly) and even swedish.
I mean the russians for example have their own server where english is forbidden. so cant we have a server where the only language for interaction is english?
and ps. sorry for my bad english :)
btw. where can i get a new guns and bullets magazine. Some fuck stole it from me.
when I asked for help, I helped without hesitation and without looking at what has helped the Englishman.
Why when I ask for help at the forum, I get 0?
why when we drove vertiberd administrator simply erased it without giving fly?
why in the test of protection in Jinktaune was killed only people with money (130000) for the base?
why they have not returned (I asked)?
because I'm from Russia and do not understand English.
you are sure that after such a dishonest game I'll benevolent?
Conversely, I have a desire to become worse than I was before.
if my honest money do not want to return, I will have to earn money in another way.
no problem? Yes, but now you will have more problems, even from 2 people.
Why do not you want to be a man and not be afraid so Russian?
a lot of chatter about discrimination, but English is put above everything.
is not a threat, it is a fact.
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when I asked for help, I helped without hesitation and without looking at what has helped the Englishman.
Why when I ask for help at the forum, I get 0?
why when we drove vertiberd administrator simply erased it without giving fly?
why in the test of protection in Jinktaune was killed only people with money (130000) for the base?
why they have not returned (I asked)?
because I'm from Russia and do not understand English.
you are sure that after such a dishonest game I'll benevolent?
Conversely, I have a desire to become worse than I was before.
if my honest money do not want to return, I will have to earn money in another way.
no problem? Yes, but now you will have more problems, even from 2 people.
Why do not you want to be a man and not be afraid so Russian?
a lot of chatter about discrimination, but English is put above everything.
is not a threat, it is a fact.
Sorry mate, but i'l never understand this until someone translates it to me.
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You know how many mmos have multi language support? None because its a fucking stupid idea. The whole point is player interaction, you can't do that if you can't understand each other. Non english speakers should stick to TLA.
Well, how exactly removing/punishing/whatever everybody who cannot or refuses to use English, will help you interact with them? If you can't interact with someone who can't speak English, you even more won't be able to interact with them if they are on TLA. Your argument doesn't make any sense.
It's not like different languages limit your freedom, they give you more OPTIONS. You can talk to those people, but you don't have to.
>> Server pure english is boring
> Why ?
It's not that it's boring, it's just less interesting. Trying to communicate with someone without common language is interesting interaction on its own.
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If people want to be realistic about the entire post-apocalyptic NORTH AMERICAN survival mmorpg, then I would have to agree that having a ton of Russians or other foreign peoples running around what is left of the United States speaking THEIR OWN native tongue is a little bit far of a stretch isn't it?? ((When did they get here? they drop bombs?How'd they all come to run around the country like this? xD))
Now, having said that... Racism, is bad mmm-kay!? BUT there are mutants, ghouls and just general crazies (( meaning they the npc's))that will not hesitate to kill you either ((or give you a warning in ANY language))... There are an even amount, I think, of foreigners(( ie Russians,Polish,Icelandic,Norwegian etc..)) and even english speaking Americans that do not care what language you speak, they just want your shit... seriously, you will die O_O.
I hate seeing people speaking a language I dont understand too, especially when I am wondering if their huge group of Russians are going to kill me again, but it's the way the game is...
I also hate to admit it, but having that kind of language-driven paranoia is exactly what this game needs to make it more "authentic" feeling and realistic.
N'est ce pas?
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It amazes me that surely there are people, which would call you a racist for calling someone "a fucking nigger" or "a stinking jew" just for kicks, but at the same time it bothers them, that some people are using their own language.
As for "language realism", there's really such a shitload of things that don't make sense in this game either in relation to the real world or game lore, that the language issue should be the last anyone should care about.
And just for reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#Languages
As of 2005, 57.59% of California residents age five and older spoke English as a first language at home, while 28.21% spoke Spanish. In addition to English and Spanish, 2.04% spoke Filipino, 1.59% spoke Chinese (which included Cantonese [0.63%] and Mandarin [0.43%]), 1.4% spoke Vietnamese, and 1.05% spoke Korean as their mother tongue. In total, 42.4% of the population spoke languages other than English.
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I dont mind others speaking their own language, but its really sad that 2/3 of shouts in NCR are russian. Atleast disable cyrillic in shouts or something.
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Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
And how would you feel if Latin characters were disabled in shouts?
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I dont mind others speaking their own language, but its really sad that 2/3 of shouts in NCR are russian. Atleast disable cyrillic in shouts or something.
There's a lot of non-native English speakers, so there's a lot of foreign languages. Deal with it.
Disabling cyrillic won't stop people from talking in Russian. It just will make Russian look stupid. Just like English looks stupid written in cyrillic.
Айм дан уиф дис дискашын.
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Either way it doesnt make the game any less enjoyable in my opinion.
It's frustrating, yes, that a majority of the shouts I see that are not useless spam are in a language I cannot even begin to understand. ((No, I will not waste my grinding time looking up what you're all saying in google! For yes, I have been told by some of these people to do my research if I cant understand them... and yes, they did say to use google to translate. They did tell me to do that using english quite well however))
It's easier to ignore people who you dont understand anyways... It's the same damn thing as not being able to understand them in the first place. Or something...
I dont understand Spanish either, but the people I run into who speak Spanish do speak in english just as frequently.
I guess when it all comes down to it, there really isnt much you can do about this. It's unrealistic to expect the Devs to be in favour of something that would obviously upset a large amount of players. Disabling cyrillic from shouts would only cause more problems than anything.
I kind of think it's pretty, even if I dont understand it xD
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Then how come only one non-latin alphabet is used? Shouldn't all of them be enabled?
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The only thing that is bothering me is the lack of a common launguage. You go to NCR: people speak polish, russian(mostly) and even swedish.
Where the heck are the swedish people.. I havnt heard them :( I want to talk to them a bit.
btw. where can i get a new guns and bullets magazine. Some fuck stole it from me.
Go to the hub, there is a bookshop there that sells the magazine, dont know the actual prize but you can afford anything there if you bring 1k caps.
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Non english speakers should stick to TLA.
Man, Hitler was little harmless girl in comparison with you. You know who Hitler really was, don't you?
I can understand anger because of being killed by "cyryllic names" or "f..king pollacks", but my char have been killed by both of them many times, and still I can't say that all Russians are crazy assholes with miniguns, because they just aren't. I don't understand anything written with cyryllic, but also I don't know French, Swedish, Chinese, Spanish and more. I'm native Polish, with little understanding of Czech, little more understanding of English and German, and that's it. Now you want to force me to use non-native language everywhere in public places, because ... Why actually? Kind of "nur für Deutsche" again? "Dogs and Poles are not allowed to enter"? Don't you see how dangerous these ideas are?
English is international and "Internet" language, and if I want to interact with english-speakers, it is my own business to learn it. If you can't understand Polish and interact with me - well, screw me, my loss. So many players, no matter where are they from, can speak english very well, much better than me (it isn't that difficult by the way ;-)). You didn't notice them, or you just didn't want to notice?
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Man, Hitler was little harmless girl in comparison with you. You know who Hitler really was, don't you?
You've lost. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)
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In your face hitler, 11 million people dying is nothing compared to me not wanting to share a server with people who don't speak the language the game is in. Time to go back to art school.
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What if I like this server, and don't want to play on TLA?
I use english language when speak to people who doesn't understand russian. But if I want to speak to russian-speaking people, why I can't use cyrillic?
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While we encourage people to use English on our server, we really don't want to force it's use by banning all others. No one can expect that someone would learn English in order to play (although playing can be an opportunity to learn), and placing such a barrier is just too much for a game that is supposedly open for everyone.
As for the question why only the Cyrillic charset is supported (besides the Latin one), the answer is simple: the game originated in the Cyrillic-using world, for the most part it was exclusively developed by the Cyrillic users, and was played by them. Cvet himself, the engine developer, is a Belorussian. Cyrillic support was natural. Disabling it in chat would change nothing - except, perhaps, some Russian/Belorussian/etc. players would feel muted, while others will simply use translit, and will be equally incomprehensible.
Disabling the Cyrillic nicknames is, however, another thing. There are few features, with prospects for more, that require players to write other players' nicknames. Simple lack of knowledge about the Cyrillic keyboard layout can be an obstacle. This will be given more thought in future, but I can't say at this moment when, and what the outcome will be. And this is an honest "no idea" spoken here.
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The worse problem is that I cant rememember the cyrillic names. All looks same for me...
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In your face hitler, 11 million people dying is nothing compared to me not wanting to share a server with people who don't speak the language the game is in. Time to go back to art school.
I meant some specific way of thinking, not body count. Luckily, server does not belong to you only.
My friend gave me yesterday some idea to order so many languages: user can define in Config, what language he wants to speak in game, and only those who defined the same language will see messages from him. If user wants to speak to everyone (like "WTB/WTS" at NCR Bazaar), he can use some key or mark, like we using now /r, /s or /w. We both don't know if it's possible from technical side and how many languages needs to support, but maybe it is some solution for "english-or-die". "hellish language" and "damn cyryllic" issues?
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or maybe add a translation option to the messages for all the lazy bums out there ::)
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or maybe add a translation option to the messages for all the lazy bums out there ::)
Wrzuc ten tekst w translator i powiedz ile zrozumiales.
And I didn't use any polish diacritic mark, as I don't use them in game. Translation is bad idea and - I'm afraid - hard to implement. What I mean is another menu in Config, like "Languages", where you will be able to pick languages you want to read in game, or to be more exact - to read those people, who picked the same. You can still use f.e. /a, to be "seen" by all people around.
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I think all this crap... russians... non russians... all same for my plasma rifl... "was critically hit in the eyes for 200 and was killed" - this anyone can understand... if you cant communicate for trade - just kill someone and take for free or f**k yourself and die!!
ps: i was thinkin about essence of wastland and i think words like "civilised" are not for it... burn... kill... this is it!!
pps: sry for bad english.
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I want Russians to stay on this server. I'm Polish and I'm trying to learn some of their language, so it's very helpful to me. You see more retarded Russians is because that there are more Russians overall, but you can find the same % of a retards from every country. Options like: disable cyrlic are idiotic too, because Russians can speak their language with latin sings too.
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But then you can remember or write down the name of the retard to complain about :)
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Disabling it in chat would change nothing - except, perhaps, some Russian/Belorussian/etc. players would feel muted, while others will simply use translit, and will be equally incomprehensible.
What about chinesse then? Or arabic? etc etc :<
I am against promoting cyrlic in english community oriented game.
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It would be idiotic to disable it completely. We can go over to TLA just as easily as they can come over to 2238. Maybe making them unable to make cryllic names (because it's almost impossible to identify them if you don't know the language) but disabling them from speaking it altogether is just stupid.
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cyrillic names are a pain in the ass, because if you don't have one the cyrillic people will classify you as brahmin for the slaughter
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btw. where can i get a new guns and bullets magazine. Some fuck stole it from me.
u can buy it back in the Hub. It costs around 850 caps