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Title: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Michaelh139 on April 14, 2011, 12:09:55 am
Why not?  Right now they are literally the most useless drug on the server.  The only useful thing is Charisma and it still isn't worth it unless your a leader + unless you wanna keep up with mentats all the time (as with any drug ofc).

Meby +1-2 PE?
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: spike allen on April 14, 2011, 12:22:33 am
Mhhhmm that actually would be nice.
But would need some adjusting. Like any negative modifiers?
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2011, 12:47:43 am
Perception bonus, Agility penalty?
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Cocain on April 14, 2011, 01:03:09 am
mentats are not a combat drug... maybe in future it could give skill bonus to speech and barter

they shouldnt be a combat drug in my opinion
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Ganado on April 14, 2011, 01:09:30 am
I like Cocain's idea better. Make them improve Barter/Speech, as well as the current benefits.

-1 Intelligence if addicted isn't that bad, so this could be a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Michaelh139 on April 14, 2011, 01:14:33 am
I like Cocain's idea better. Make them improve Barter/Speech, as well as the current benefits.

-1 Intelligence if addicted isn't that bad, so this could be a disadvantage.
Give a useless drug more useless bonuses?  I'm not following.

The drug speeds mental processes, so a +PE or Agility would make sense, which just so happens sticks to fallout canon, while making the drug useful.  -1 Ap and -1 Agility could be the drawbacks if addicted.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2011, 01:16:08 am
I'd prefer them to increase Barter/Speech/Perception rather than Charisma. Using them to be able to carry around mercs that you can't talk to is kind of ridiculous.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: falloutdude on April 14, 2011, 02:38:42 am
I'd prefer them to increase Barter/Speech/Perception rather than Charisma. Using them to be able to carry around mercs that you can't talk to is kind of ridiculous.
so 1ch guys cant trade... now that is kinda risiculous
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: vedaras on April 14, 2011, 07:50:52 am
its actually used and used a lot so you are wrong in this part. And it did give perception before, but it was said old drug system wont come back, cant say im too happy about that.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2011, 12:04:36 pm
so 1ch guys cant trade... now that is kinda risiculous

Oh man, totally forgot about that. Do we still need those trader charisma restrictions? How about just inflated prices?
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Michaelh139 on April 14, 2011, 12:38:18 pm
its actually used and used a lot so you are wrong in this part.
For nothing more than either talking to npc (Ch 1) or taking a profession.  Besides, I didn't say if they were used or not.  I said they are most useless drug on server.  :P
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2011, 01:05:08 pm
For nothing more than either talking to npc (Ch 1) or taking a profession.  Besides, I didn't say if they were used or not.  I said they are most useless drug on server.  :P

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Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: T-888 on April 14, 2011, 02:12:18 pm
Oh man, totally forgot about that. Do we still need those trader charisma restrictions? How about just inflated prices?

Yeah why not ? Why couldn't you trade if your ugly , if you got the caps everyone would accept your hideous face and weird personality.

For example rise the charisma requirement for all traders to 4 and everything would " inflate " as the charisma drops. Like 3 charisma +10%/15%$$ , 2 charisma +20%/30%$$ , 1 charisma +30%/45%/50%$$ i can't tell the magic number :) After wipe the caps will be more scarce so I believe this could work just fine.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: thebadman on April 14, 2011, 02:35:02 pm
But it still will be penalty so people still gonna make alts for it.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: 0m3n on April 14, 2011, 03:08:37 pm
But it still will be penalty so people still gonna make alts for it.

People make alts for everything.So what is the point of increasing speech /barter skills?

I must agree with Michaelh mentats are most useless drugs on server they should add PE/AG instead INT which is useless .
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: T-888 on April 14, 2011, 03:09:33 pm
But it still will be penalty so people still gonna make alts for it.

Nope they won't , if they can spare extra caps it will do the opposite encourage people to not make alts for trading and you could still use mentats to decrease the penalty.

Mentats are not meant as a combat drug , but still they are not useless ! Powerbuilds can use mentats to trade or to lead few more guys into battle when there is not a leader char nearby , beer sucks for CH boost because it decreases -2 PE. As simple as that , even few hardcore leader builds can involve a permanent mentat use. How is that useless ?
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2011, 03:24:23 pm
How about it increases all your skills by 25%? I'd consider that pretty useful.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: JovankaB on April 14, 2011, 04:32:29 pm
For nothing more than either talking to npc (Ch 1) or taking a profession.

And buying mercs / enslaving. Everytime you lose a merc/slave you need mentats to make the team full again.
Unless you have more than 6 CH, which is a waste of SPECIAL points.

Mentats aren't less useful than rad-x, it's not combat drug.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: 0m3n on April 14, 2011, 04:38:33 pm
Nope they won't , if they can spare extra caps it will do the opposite encourage people to not make alts for trading and you could still use mentats to decrease the penalty.

Mentats are not meant as a combat drug , but still they are not useless ! Powerbuilds can use mentats to trade or to lead few more guys into battle when there is not a leader char nearby


Powerbuild normally use other drugs then mentats , some drugs got penalty to CH so sniper using Jet and ciggarets won't take friends with him.
Title: Re: Mentats give PE.
Post by: Michaelh139 on April 14, 2011, 09:52:17 pm
And buying mercs / enslaving. Everytime you lose a merc/slave you need mentats to make the team full again.
Unless you have more than 6 CH, which is a waste of SPECIAL points.
If you like drugging yourself to lead mercs constantly, sure, but some people prefer convenience over overlyreliant drug builds, not to mention it's a rare drug considering it's a Doctor 3.
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Mentats aren't less useful than rad-x, it's not combat drug.
I know, they're equally useless, but thats because radiation exists in one place, totally out of everyone's way.  Mentats gives Intelligence (Which is entirely useless) and charisma (which has very, very few uses)
How about it increases all your skills by 25%? I'd consider that pretty useful.
This sounds pretty cool.  What would be the addiction sideffect?  -10% to all skills?