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drugs are a pretty big deal on the fonline world but for some reason, imo, these traits arent
im asking for ideias for buffing these traits to make them not op, but decent choices
heres my own ideas:
Chem resistant: 50% less duration of drug effects. ( like before)
100% imunity to drug addictions, except jet or 50% chance of jet addiction
1 Chem reliant: 50% more duration of drug effects
90%-100% addiction to drug effects
2 chem reliant: double drug bonuses
100% addiction to drug and 50% less duration of drug effects
2nd chem reliant is my favorite but again its only my opinion.. anyways give you own please
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The problem with the 2nd chem reliant idea is that it would make rich people from gangs (many crafing alts etc) too powerful and non-alting loners screwed even more. Which was a problem with drugs before in my opinion.
And 50% chance of JET addiction is just as bad/good as 100%. Even 5% wouldn't make much difference. If you make JET build you are going to be addicted sooner or later. If not, you aren't going to risk taking it anyway.
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jup 50% jet addiction doesnt seem to be reasonable, unless someone want to play something like russian roulette for lulz :D
But i actually miss former times, when you could use drugs to increase stats a bit more, character creation required more experience and knowledge to create better accounts while using drugs, i want that back :>
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The second chem reliant idea would be a bit step back where there was extreme drug consumption to make your char combat ready because he was useless otherwise.
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Chem Reliant All drugs are permanent addictions, time of effect is doubled.
Chem Resistant Suffer no addiction effect (no -1 Ag), Healing chems (Stims/Powders) do half effect
These are the new ones.
jup 50% jet addiction doesnt seem to be reasonable, unless someone want to play something like russian roulette for lulz :D
But i actually miss former times, when you could use drugs to increase stats a bit more, character creation required more experience and knowledge to create better accounts while using drugs, i want that back :>
Will never ever happen. As Oska says, that would be a big step back.
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How does addiction/drugs work right now? Is there even any comedown? Or is it just a case of that the stat bonuses are reversed?
I used to think addiction was an interesting idea and way of playing, but I'm not totally convinced it's workable.
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Chem Reliant All drugs are permanent addictions, time of effect is doubled.
Chem Resistant Suffer no addiction effect (no -1 Ag), Healing chems (Stims/Powders) do half effect
These are the new ones.
The only bad thing in Chem Reliant that it'll take trait slot, there're no "penalties", I don't think someone is going to fight without drugs if he is druggy orientired (or whatever this word spelled), especially when you'll have 1 hour effect... again, the only bad thing is you'll need to sacrifice one of those imba traits like Small Frame/Good Natured/One Hander(for pistoler), obviously it'll be Good Natured, so you'll see builds taking this trait instead of good natured if they're going to use drugs (of couse they will, because not using drugs = not using whole potential for character build).
Chem Resistant is another useless trait, noone will ever take it. Who cares about addiction when again you're going to use this drug anyway and addiction will be ignore till drug ended, but when it ends, you'll take another one, 1/2 from super stims = 50 hp.. pff.. noone will take this useless trait.
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The traits you mentioned there will have new versions too. Not a fair comparison.
Chem reliant, you'll be able to play a drug addict without having a gimped char when not on drugs. I don't think it'll be useless to everyone.
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Chem Reliant All drugs are permanent addictions, time of effect is doubled.
2 questions about this:
Does it mean, negative effects are doubled as well? (like Psycho adding 30% DR and deducting 4 PE?)
Are you happy with drugs that have little to no penalties, like Nuka-Cola or Cigarettes? One would expect Chem reliant to be quite popular by PvPers when they'd be able to remove one more agility and perception and have one more effective endurance level.
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Time of effect. They last twice as long, they don't do double effect.
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well im already happy that u didnt forget these traits on the next changelog
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On the subject of traits: Sex Appeal! The solution has just come to me. Your follower limit is +1 for the opposite gender and -1 for the same gender.
So if your follower limit was normally 3, you'd be able to have 4 so long as two of them were women. But as a consequence, you'd only be able to have a maximum of two male followers. If that makes sense.
I just figure it would make things a bit more interesting.
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Sex appeal has migrated to perkhood. There is a trait in there which affects followers though.
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This is little off about subject, but is there any changes about healing slave/follower with weak healing powder?
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What's the problem with them?
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Chem reliant, you'll be able to play a drug addict without having a gimped char when not on drugs. I don't think it'll be useless to everyone.
If they're druggies... they're already screwed without drugs, like lacking ST or -1 AP because of nuka or need +2 AP from jet or need cigs for 10th PE. Without drugs they won't functioning well already.
What's the problem with them?
He wants to ignore -1 PE from weak healing powder to be able to use it on his own slaves.
Btw, I think that's nice suggestion to be able to drug your own mercs/slaves with any drugs, not only weak healing powder, but also pump with with jet, psycho and other stuff.
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Also, for example me, I have base 9 AP, with jet and nuka I have 12 AP.
Sometime I had 3 addicitions at the same time: jet+nuka+cig, I had 6 AP.
Without drugs I have 8 AP because of jet addiction. But I don't care if I'll have 6 AP or 8 AP or 9 AP, because if I don't have 12 AP I'm not going anywhere where I'll need to kill people, because why should I use my damned 8 AP build for 1 shot and then wait, when I can simply drink a bottle of nukacola, eat some jet, and do x2 shots, if I can't, I'm not going there, even if you'll give me immunity to jet addicition and I'll have always minimum 9 AP, still, I'll not go anywhere, because 9 < 12, and it's big difference. And now buffout builds who lacking 2 ST, meaning -40% to hit, do you really think he'll take this trait just to fight sometimes without that harmless buffout addiction that lasts only 1 real life hour, but SS' will heal only 50 HP, and stims will heal only 5-20 HP.
If this trait will have no penalty, just "Chem Resistant Suffer no addiction effect (no -1 Ag)" and nothing more, than you could pick this trait because you don't know what to pick else, and you don't want Bloody Mess.
But with "Healing chems (Stims/Powders) do half effect" it's like Bruiser trait now, more penalty than bonus.
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Well, the idea is that you either use it with Chem Res to have a char who uses a cocktail of drugs, is addicted to them all, but can pick and choose when to take which one - or a character who doesn't build around drugs, but still wants to use them now and again, so they can take whatever drug they like and don't pay the consequence.
We will see if it gets taken or not, all of these need testing before anything is decided about them.
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or a character who doesn't build around drugs, but still wants to use them now and again, so they can take whatever drug they like and don't pay the consequence.
1) Consequences? Addictions will be changed after wipe? If it'll stay as it is now, then there're no consequences except for Jet.
2) What price...? 1/2 HP from SS'/stims? It doesn't worth it. Carry x2 more stims, use x2 times more stims and spend x2 times more AP to use them isn't good pay off for "just to use drugs sometimes!" especially if you build isn't druggy and most of them will be useless for you, or useful, but again, there're no consequences, 1 hour of -1 AP? And it'll be ignored if you're taking this drug again, then just take a rest for 1 hour and there're no consequences! Make addictions more harmful, then may be this trait will be useful, because right now addictions are nothing.
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Make addictions more harmful and then the only people who'll use them are carefully crafted drug builds. Everyone else won't want to have their character fucked. I don't see the good in that. I'd rather an entire server full of sniffing, bleary eyed junkies.
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Make addictions more harmful and then the only people who'll use them are carefully crafted drug builds. Everyone else won't want to have their character fucked. I don't see the good in that. I'd rather an entire server full of sniffing, bleary eyed junkies.
Agreed. The solution is either a better advantage or a lesser disadvantage. Maybe negating/diminishing bad drugs effects?
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I think the advantages are good enough. I think the only cause for addiction penalties should be if you don't take a few doses a day.
I figure if you feed your addiction, you should be safe. I think this could be included along with the Fallout 2 addiction messages - "Everything is going so slow. You need more jet. NOW." - If you take some whenever the game prompts you to, you ought to be fine. If you ignore it, that's when you suffer.
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Perhaps the disadvantage could be Radaway/X and the Antidotes not working.
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Perhaps the disadvantage could be Radaway/X and the Antidotes not working.
I think that might not be going far enough. What about only one substance of any kind can be active in your system? You can't take jet+nuka, or jet+cigarettes, or whatever. I think that's a reasonable drawback.
Also, my comments about addiction - so long as you keep doing drugs several times a day, you shouldn't suffer any penalty - was intended to apply to all characters taking drugs.
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Hopefully the lack of taking any of the Antidoes would be a genuine drawback, post wipe.
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What about making all addictions permanent and cummulative and possible to rid off only at NPC docs for caps, and it can be done only once per month, because it's very very very dangerous procedure, and doc will heal only for 1 addiction, so if you have alot addictions, it'll be a problem. Every dose of Jet (or 95%...) will lower every your skill on 1%, and every other drug will have x% to lower every skill on 1%. With Chem Reliant you'll have 2x% for every drug, and Jet will lower every skill on 2% per dose, but effect will last twice its time. Chem Resistant x/2% for every drug and 50% (or 47.5%) for every dose of Jet, but all healing stuff heals only 50% of HP.
This way everyone will suffer from drugs, druggy build or not. Chem Resistant could be useful, because you won't kill your character with drugs so fast, even Jet will have only 50% to damage your skills. If you're using alot drugs at the same time, then you'll suffer from more than 1 addiction, and you'll need to heal 1 per month the most powerful one, others will stay with you. Chem Reliant will be dangerous trait because you'll suffer alot from it, but also you need x2 less drugs, because they will last 1 hour... useless trait for those, who has tones of drugs anyway.
*Penalty to skills of couse "floating", so it can't be abused to always increase your skills at <100% for 1 SP and then heal your addiction and make 300% in all skills build.
**As you know you can see addictions at Karma tab, with this suggestion it can be also with numbers which will show that %penalty infront of every addiction like reputation, like:
Jet: 10
Psycho: 5
Nuka-cola: 2
So totaly you have -17% to every your skill, and when you come to doc, you'll have dialogue and choose what addiction you want to heal, he'll say that you can do that only once per month and caps dependant on addiction strength and may be drug itself, so to heal from Jet you'll need many many caps and be possible only at doc in some unguarded town, while nuka and cigs will be healed for no so much caps, but still you can't heal other addiction until 30 days passed.
Or just ignore everything above and leave addictions like now but permanent, but you need to heal them for caps at doc (Jet addiction can't be healed of couse), let it take some time and you can heal addictions one by one, so after paying caps to doc you'll need to wait something like 24 real life hours and then addiction will disappear, and then you can pay for other one. If you'll take a drug of currently healing addiction, then healing will be failed. But it'll only make "alt" to not play during those 24 hours, so this isn't good suggestion.
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Perhaps the disadvantage could be Radaway/X and the Antidotes not working.
Once they get radiated to extreme levels and have 1charisma, they can almost delete their character, as fixing it up would be nearly as much effort as getting good ammount of levels.
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keep them coming people :)