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(Planescape: Torment Topic).
So, what did you decide to answer Ravel? Did you ask the Transcendent one the important question? :) Really interested in it. There is no "wrong" answer, but I like to know what you choose and *why*. WHY you have chosen answer XY etc.
Just loaded a clever set savegame, heh, here is your screenshot! Choose, choose wisely, feh, feh...
(http://www.abload.de/img/unbenannt3k79d.png)
(can be used as general PS:T topic ofcourse).
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Regret, for there is no worse pain.
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Nothing can change the nature of a man.
Sad, but true.
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Did you even read the screenshot/play PS:T? :P Chaing, Chainge, Chain?Feh! Chain the nature of a man? ;D Hehe, I am just curious what the more verbose description of your answers is.
(exclaimer: "feh" , and obvious grammar errors are only funny if you played it ;) )
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I played about 10 years ago or so. Great game.
Btw little bit more than half year ago, i was chosing, which old game to replay - BG, PS:T, or F
I chose F, then found Restoration project and then FO :). Yet stuck here, as you can see :)
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Steven Seagal can. :p
02:38 http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=16909
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Steven Seagal is a god among men. >:( <--- Seagal smiley.
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Death :) and caused memory loss, ingame you can "hear" read about deeds of pervious namelss ones :)
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I chose Power. Power corrupts you know.
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The nature of man? Nothing can change it, or else you'll be something else than man, we're created as we're now. Love, hatred, power, greed, betrayal, death, regret, age, suffering, success, the planes, Ravel... nothing can change that makes humans - humans, it may change some specific person by giving some experience to him, he'll use it later and act different, but nature of man can't be changed in total by any of these factors given in screenshot.
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Where is "Will"? No one will change if they are not willing to do so. Humans don't seem to have a reason for changing, or maybe we are too coward or lazy to do so, I don't know... Still, there are a few that want to change, and most important, they believe it is possible, but that's one in a million, without exaggeration.
So that's my choice, "Will", It seems i always manage to answer something that's not between the options...
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I would take Regret or Betrayal as those are the most things that torture men when they come to old age what kind of events changed their view on life itself.
Also Steven Seagal shows how to win unarmed vs melee and small guns , just dont be a bad guy, be a nice guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ixgdDPufA
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*Know* this, i chose death as answer ... my past incarnations approve this message.
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*Know* this, i chose death as answer ... my past incarnations approve this message.
That's a very interesting point.
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the dark side of the force
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From 2 to 11 all are corect answers, depends on circumstances.
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Forced Evolutionary Virus.
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From 2 to 11 all are corect answers, depends on circumstances.
Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. ;)
Oh I miss powerlevelling with Black Abishai, trolling them with Litany of Curses :( it was certainly more amusing than Molerats.
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This thread - Correct answer
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Forced Evolutionary Virus.
+radiation = worst man ever = ugly evil Master
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+radiation = worst man ever = ugly evil Master
Master wasn't radiated (or not much) cauz he grew in a Vault. That's why he became the master.
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Master wasn't radiated (or not much) cauz he grew in a Vault. That's why he became the master.
as i remember he fails in reactor, or i have biiig mistake
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He got stuck in Mariposa, but that's another (off-topic) story. ;)
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He got stuck in Mariposa, but that's another (off-topic) story. ;)
i have really bad past memories , so dont remember 99% of all :) so sorry , i think i have big mistake, we need check fo1 :D
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I cannot answer that question...
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All sorts of heresy!
One must remain loyal to the Blood God!
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Betrayal was my answer when I played it last time.
Its actually interesting to observe how my decisions have changed every time I played the game. Partially because I was interested in other ways of finishing the game but when it comes to this point I always choose differently because I'm no longer the guy who played it 1 year ago or the guy who played it xyz years ago nor the child who was answering this question for the first time.
This and the pre-end discussion with me, myself and I (3 incarnations) are one of the best parts of the game.
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*Know* this, i chose death as answer ... my past incarnations approve this message.
Heh, that's interesting, as it is pretty much true, atleast in TNO's case.
From 2 to 11 all are corect answers, depends on circumstances.
Why is "I don't know..." not a correct answer? ;)
Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. ;)
Ye, that's the gamebreaker. ;P Slitting my throat with the dagger of eternity will be the next thing I will do on my next playthrough. This nasty lil' bitches eyes (does "he" have any? ) will drop out of surprise! :o
Oh I miss powerlevelling with Black Abishai, trolling them with Litany of Curses :( it was certainly more amusing than Molerats.
Heh, well actually if it wouldn't be for the Statpoints needed to unlock conversations you don't need to level at all. Why bother? You just die, respawn, scratch the baddies skin, die come back, etc. ;P "Don't let it end like thissssss..." certainly is worth dieing.
The nature of man? Nothing can change it, or else you'll be something else than man, we're created as we're now. Love, hatred, power, greed, betrayal, death, regret, age, suffering, success, the planes, Ravel... nothing can change that makes humans - humans, it may change some specific person by giving some experience to him, he'll use it later and act different, but nature of man can't be changed in total by any of these factors given in screenshot.
Well it appears you misinterpreted the "nature". It's not about mankind or what seperates men from animals, it's about the individuals attitude, the "soul", dunno, it's hard to describe. Ofcourse nothing can change the very animalistic nature of mankind. :P
I cannot answer that question...
The nighthag does not approve!
Betrayal was my answer when I played it last time.
Its actually interesting to observe how my decisions have changed every time I played the game. Partially because I was interested in other ways of finishing the game but when it comes to this point I always choose differently because I'm no longer the guy who played it 1 year ago or the guy who played it xyz years ago nor the child who was answering this question for the first time.
This and the pre-end discussion with me, myself and I (3 incarnations) are one of the best parts of the game.
Shamefully I have to say, that I came from metagame land last time when I played it. I wanted all the most possible blessings of Ravel and chose to brown nose her by lies and telling her that she is the one I love etc. Well, heh, that still certainly tells something about me, like you said! ;D
And yeah, I managed to merge with all 3 of my previous incarnations, but for some reason the bronze sphere was bugged and I couldn't use it. :( Man this game is awesome. A game with Fallouts combat gameplay and Torments Dialoges/Setting/Whole writing would be kickass.
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Slitting my throat with the dagger of eternity will be the next thing I will do on my next playthrough. This nasty lil' bitches eyes (does "he" have any? ) will drop out of surprise! :o
"NAAW HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE...!?"
Seriously man, I couldn't believe such an awesome game would admit such an old stupid phrase like that (I hate those phrases, "how is this possible?", "you should have killed me when you had the chance", etc.)
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"NAAW HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE...!?"
Seriously man, I couldn't believe such an awesome game would admit such an old stupid phrase like that (I hate those phrases, "how is this possible?", "you should have killed me when you had the chance", etc.)
Counterquestion: What would you have written instead of it? :> (yes I see what you did there and agree that its a bit stereotypical ;) , even worse because this game, or more Chris Avellone wanted to turn around each possible stereotypical thing with this game)
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A game with Fallouts combat gameplay and Torments Dialoges/Setting/Whole writing would be kickass.
Nah. Planescape is one of a kind. And I must say I love the fights, especially when I roll as a badass mage with all those superb spell animations.
There is not a word invented yet, that would be capable of describing this game. But when such word will exist it will most certainly consist of "Epic" and "Unique".
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This is true. Many bitch about boring gameplay of PS:T, but I don't get whats so bad about it, especially with the mage as you said. It's fun.
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Nah. Planescape is one of a kind. And I must say I love the fights, especially when I roll as a badass mage with all those superb spell animations.
There is not a word invented yet, that would be capable of describing this game. But when such word will exist it will most certainly consist of "Epic" and "Unique".
Epique?
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Epique?
No, it's just the french word for "epic" :P
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Unic? ;)
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What can change the nature of a man?
An old school marxist would probably answer: changing/getting/losing a job, or start owning/losing some mean of production, would change the nature of a man.
Someone with a lot of influence from Pierre Bourdieu would probably answer: a man's habitus (which is his nature) would change if his position in one or more fields he is participating in changes.
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Ron Perlman would say:
Man, man never changes
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Experience. Most Planescape answers sounds synonyms of that for me. Thou in my experience one's ability to receive it disappears with time, exponentially faster with age. That's why I can never call one 'young' as a negative.
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Death. Pain. Suffer of any kind. Seeing others suffer. Pain, pain never changes... but changes your point of view about everything. You wont see anything in the same way after a good dose of pain. Pain reduces your mental sanity, slowly drowing you into a pitch of madness... or pain can save you from a such thing, bringing you back to reality. You can see it the way you want, but everything that changes your point of view can be reduced to pain. Hate, love, hunger, suffer, losses. Everything can be reduced to pain.
An old school marxist would probably answer: changing/getting/losing a job, or start owning/losing some mean of production, would change the nature of a man.
I agree. That's a kind of pain, dont you think? Loosing your job, getting a job, or changing your job, bring all somehow to suffer, dont you think?
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It seems like everything on that list is a piece of the nature of man as I'm pretty sure we have all experienced each of those emotions and will all experience death.
It seems like a loaded question so my answer would be... brain damage.
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Brain damage is a sort of pain.
I'll take to you an example from the world of music- Savatage' Streets - A Rock Opera, the story of D T Jesus, a drug dealer who becomes a rockstar, and then starts taking his own drugs, leading him to quit the world of music and get back to the streets. That is an immense pain, taking drugs, a blind pain that makes us unconscious of what we do, and blind to other kinds of pain, and the withdrawal, a terrible, terrible pain that can be erased only the blinding pain of drugs. Another change in D T life is when his best friend and manager, Tex, tryes to take him back, away from the pain of drugs. But that pain calls, and Sammy, drug lord, answers. He goes to D T house, claiming money from a debt of his drug consuming days. Sammy kills Tex when he tries to defend D T, and this leaves him in a total, worser pain, the worse he ever felt, because is from him, because is because he exists, that all that pain comes from. I will just quote one line of a song, St. Patrick's, where D T, in his madness, keeps himself wandering in the streets, and ends up in Saint Patrick's Cathedral.
'Cause you take all the fame
But who'll accept the blame
For all the hurt
Down here on earth
Unnecessary pain
Surely you must care
Or are you only air
Built in our minds
When we're in binds
Never really there
He recieves no answer. I leave to you answer this question, for yourself.
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Still I feel like all of these things are within the nature of man and not a detour.
Our brains have been built via thousands of years of evolution and reflect each stage right down to the reptilian complex at it's base. Emotions and perceptions like greed and pain reflect chemical reactions relayed to our brain which then handles them accordingly.
Of course our brains all handle things slightly differently, some of us may even be pre-disposed to growing into psychopaths. The hallmark of a psychopath is a callous lack of guilt and morals. Surely this small minority is wired to perceive the world differently than the majority and so would that be considered an alteration in the nature of man in general? Another thing to keep in mind is that a psychopath has trouble functioning within society making him a candidate for extinction in a lineal sense.
On the other side of the page someone who has behaved consistently their whole life may have a stroke, altering there behavior completely for the rest of their lives. Sure the stroke may have hurt when it happened but its not the memory of that pain that has changed the person so drastically, its the damage to the facilities they once used but no longer have access to and they may no longer be able to feel emotions as the rest of us do.
Of course things like pain, greed, knowledge etc. may all change the way we behave from day to day, but those are all things that the mass majority of us seem to be able to feel, adopt and adapt to, and, at the end of the day as a species if we cannot adapt to something and be altered by it effectively then Darwin's ghost will take us. Perhaps if the nature of man cannot be flexible and adapt to multiple stimuli (and not just one) then we are not nearly as evolved as we may think.
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You know that traumas tend to be easier to remember that anything else? This might seem totally off-topic, but it's not.
Pain is a trauma, if enough strong (of course i never talked of the pain like when a rock falls on your feet, but a much greater, both mental and physical). This means that pain, or to be more precise, the memory of a pain, a particular pain (mostly mental, even if physical one isnt escluded) can remain in your mind so brightly that you cannot behave in the same way.
On the other hand, the brain (or our mind, to be more precise. The brain is just the physical shell of our mind, our physical shield) might, especially in a young stage of growth, erase, no, block a memory, until someday, for a strange twist of fate or for a particular event to happen, this memory is called back, brutally, most of the time bringing to an altered vision of events for some time, in the worst of the cases resulting in insanity.
Some times the brain/mind tries to block them, but cannot totally do it, leading you to think something in a way or another, for a trauma that you cannot recall, but that is.
In conclusion, i still think that Pain, or better, after reflecting about it for a small time, Traumas are the only thing that can change the nature not only of a man, but of any living being.
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What can change the nature of a man? Better question would be: "What can *not* change the nature of a man?", since minds are mostly individual, and interpretet things differently.
The question: "What can change the nature of a man" itself is a bit strange also, since it really doesn't ask about "what will... etc", but more like different doors for different people.
There is no right or wrong answer to the actual question, as it was pointed out earlier. The thing that makes it so... unique is the force and confusion which you are put under when asked, possibly making it "harder" to answer.
But the answer to the big question is quite simple. What can change the nature of a man? Everything can change it, or possibly nothing can.
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the murder/death of the women he loves can change the nature of a man big time. without the women he loves he is a empty shell with no feelings he will do anything without a thought.
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When a " man " looses the feeling that he has a purpose and meaning , if it goes too long , it's never the same " man " again.
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God. He can change everything, because he made it.
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God. He can change everything, because he made it.
Don't start it, please.
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To the topic: Music. Very good music.
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To the topic: Music. Very good music.
Mmmm. Good pain here. ;)
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I was in prison for some period of my life and read a book called 'The Brothers Karamazov' so I guess RUSSIANS can.
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I was in prison for some period of my life and read a book called 'The Brothers Karamazov' so I guess RUSSIANS can.
am guessing for murder! :P
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because every badass gets caught for tax evasion. :'(
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a Woman can change nature of a man :)
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Many things can change our nature for the worse but only insight can change it for the better.
Through great insite we can realize our 'true' nature.
But in short, nurture changes the nature of man.