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well i was thinking mabey 1time a week 1 vender randomly cued get 1 PPK12 Gauss Pistol at random at a random time with 25 ammo was gust thinking this wooed Mack the game funner so pople have not had a chance to find them well hear is a norther way then buying them form players and cheaper to i think it woud be coolwell i know most lander coud afford this
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No no no no, sorry, despite being a gamebraking suggestion. :o
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No no no no, sorry, despite being a gamebraking suggestion. :o
how you can find the in very rare encounters http://www.fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/PPK12_Gauss_Pistol i think this woud stop big gangs form stock piling them and give every 1 a chance to use them
ever 1 can get the ammo at glow all ready its not my fault if you dont use shops
sory you could not see my text had to edit it
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Thinking of taming down Gauss a little and making it only available from Glow in a limited form
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Thinking of taming down Gauss a little and making it only available from Glow in a limited form
NOOOOOOOOOO
Please now, it would loose all his interest. What is great is: rare, a way to obtain ammo, but in small quantities, but powerfull to make it worth it! Please, don't nerf it, maybe a bit more encounter so see more gauss in waste, but no nerf, it would realy destroy, at least really lower, his interest!
Gauss is fine!
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Agreed with Crazy. Everyone just wants the best/highest tier stuff and if everything will be available right from the get go the "lesser" items lose their meaning, as well as the (like in that example) gauss pistol if it gets more common. :-\
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NOOOOOOOOOO
Please now, it would loose all his interest. What is great is: rare, a way to obtain ammo, but in small quantities, but powerfull to make it worth it! Please, don't nerf it, maybe a bit more encounter so see more gauss in waste, but no nerf, it would realy destroy, at least really lower, his interest!
Gauss is fine!
But it's so rare that people hardly ever want to risk using it. If it was not worth 20 times it's weight in gold, and almost unseen, people would use it more. Even if it was only marginally, instead of overwhelmingly better than the other small guns/pistol type small guns, people would probably use it anyway. Especially if it was less rare, but still hard to get.
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Thinking of taming down Gauss a little and making it only available from Glow in a limited form
To Surf Solar - read this quote again. Solar said that he wants to make it even more rare than it's now.
Did I understand well?
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To Surf Solar - read this quote again. Solar said that he wants to make it even more rare than it's now.
Did I understand well?
No. At least, as I understand it ;p
Edit: Idea: Solar, instead of making that for gauss, why not making it for Bozar? Finally we would see some IG, it's availability would be between gauss and sniper rifle, and it would be logical, because it's power is between that as well.
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To Surf Solar - read this quote again. Solar said that he wants to make it even more rare than it's now.
Did I understand well?
Well, as I see it, that might mean it was as rare as now, but more predictable (You know where to go, but you might not get it.) It might also make it slightly more common, if not by much, because it would be in the one place, but not always. Repeatedly visiting the Glow might end up being a more consistent source, if an intermittent and dangerous one. If this happens, time will tell how it affects rareness, obviously. Solar could also say something about what he had in mind, if he had a mind to.
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It can be nerfed and still be significantly better than any other gun. Something like 4 times as powerfull as a sniper rifle to 3 times as powerful as a sniper rifle :P
Nor would it be large amounts, just enough to entice some people down to fight over the trickle.
I've no idea how rare it is now - but it should be sufficiently rare and unreliable that you couldn't play Gauss all the time.
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I've no idea how rare it is now - but it should be sufficiently rare and unreliable that you couldn't play Gauss all the time.
Well, it clearly is ;p
Now that the trick for getting ammo is known, it is somehow... Very hard to obtain more than 10 ammo at a time (usually per day if you don't play mcuh and don't spend all your time in... huh where you find ammo. Less if you don't go there every day, like me). And pistol is still very rare.
But even if a bit more ammo and encounter would be good, nerfing it would be fine. I think it's strenght is perfect now.
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Thinking of taming down Gauss a little and making it only available from Glow in a limited form
but i think every 1 shoud be ablue to fins 1 at least 1 time in game in sted of rite now propel macing builds to farm them
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Its fine, presuming its sufficiently rare that it is never used. Its way too good now if it ever gets used.
Dropping it down to somewhere in the region of twice as good vs BA as a .223 pistol would mean its still really great, its just not so increadibly great that it makes all other weapons look like pea shooters.
I've been working on a price system for weapons the last few days, which generates a price based upon their power vs different armour types, the range and a couple of other things. The Avenger comes out at $6350, the Sniper Rifle comes out at $5000, a buffed Gatling comes out at $5450, a nerfed Gauss Rifle comes out at $8800 (most expensive thing) and an unnerfed Gauss Rifle comes out at $11100 (!).
If you had a small chance of finding a rifle per hour (say 1 in 150) and a little higher of a pistol (say 1 in 75) with sufficiently hard work to do to even have a chance ... then you won't really be swimming in gauss. Could also limit it to between 10-50 rounds spawning in the whole of the glow per hour.
As namenot says, alts farming the stuff isn't great.
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Its fine, presuming its sufficiently rare that it is never used. Its way too good now if it ever gets used.
Dropping it down to somewhere in the region of twice as good vs BA as a .223 pistol would mean its still really great, its just not so increadibly great that it makes all other weapons look like pea shooters.
I've been working on a price system for weapons the last few days, which generates a price based upon their power vs different armour types, the range and a couple of other things. The Avenger comes out at $6350, the Sniper Rifle comes out at $5000, a buffed Gatling comes out at $5450, a nerfed Gauss Rifle comes out at $8800 (most expensive thing) and an unnerfed Gauss Rifle comes out at $11100 (!).
If you had a small chance of finding a rifle per hour (say 1 in 150) and a little higher of a pistol (say 1 in 75) with sufficiently hard work to do to even have a chance ... then you won't really be swimming in gauss. Could also limit it to between 10-50 rounds spawning in the whole of the glow per hour.
As namenot says, alts farming the stuff isn't great.
well how about 1 time every relay life month in 1 random shop with 25 ammo
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Its fine, presuming its sufficiently rare that it is never used. Its way too good now if it ever gets used.
Well, never seen anyone using gauss outside big TC battles ;p Pretty much the only place where it take the whole interest: you can really use the advantage of range and damage combined, enough to be more effective than others snipers, but not than two.
Dropping it down to somewhere in the region of twice as good vs BA as a .223 pistol would mean its still really great, its just not so increadibly great that it makes all other weapons look like pea shooters.
Hmm, for me it's already that, taken into account base damage, range, lower AP cost and ammo boost. But well, numbers... Numbers never change...
I've been working on a price system for weapons the last few days, which generates a price based upon their power vs different armour types, the range and a couple of other things. The Avenger comes out at $6350, the Sniper Rifle comes out at $5000, a buffed Gatling comes out at $5450, a nerfed Gauss Rifle comes out at $8800 (most expensive thing) and an unnerfed Gauss Rifle comes out at $11100 (!).
I really hope crits will be nerfed in that new system, or avenger is pretty much overpriced, and formula wrong ;p
PS: on recent test, it came out than it's more effective to use JHP on metal than AP now. Can you confirm with your numbers? Is that intended?
If you had a small chance of finding a rifle per hour (say 1 in 150) and a little higher of a pistol (say 1 in 75) with sufficiently hard work to do to even have a chance ... then you won't really be swimming in gauss. Could also limit it to between 10-50 rounds spawning in the whole of the glow per hour.
Damn, rounds are really not enough now I think, there is simply to much people going to Glow compared to ammo spawning. Added that it use much ammo each battle... Something like 30-50 would be better I think. Enough to be able to use it without going to glow every days in a week at hours when nobody go, but not enough to use it everyday either.
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First of all, gauss isnt stocked by big gangs, as far as I know every fight having at least 15v15 participants has at least one gauss on each side. If I am correct, the highest amount used in single fight was 4 or 5 (if not 6).
I also support making Bozar gatherable via glow, as it would encourage more teams to go in there, which would encourage player fighting events over that place.
Last but not least: the range should be counted much more in this pricing you made solar. If the damage can be high (oh, crap, so is the sniper rifle) the range is most important counter. Consider that, please.
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Range is counted. Its counted triple if a weapon is also Long Ranged (Sniper is, Gauss isn't). Its why a Sniper rifle is near enough to an Avenger even though a Snipers damage is very small in comparison.
Bozar ($8000) could be fit in somewhere. Also must be sufficiently rare.
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But when you are making any strategy, first of you search for such situations, where you can pwn enemy without being hit or even... seen...
Thats why sniper rifle (even if its avarange damage output is lower) is better than Avanger. More flexibility = better. More range = more flexibility. In fact fight having 10 snipers vs 10 avangers means bout 3-4 dead snipers and whole team of avangers wiped (as its the snipers who usually determine where the fight will be held). As avanger is good only in particular situations (corridors/buildings fights) snipers can do some good job everywhere. Even if we consider one sniper as weaker than one miniguner (I cannot agree on that, but just take it in consideration) - ten snipers in teams cooperate much better than ten minigunners.
This is why the first counter you have to take to consideration is range. If you need proof, then just make some big maps and boost BBgun range to 80 ;)
ps. Solar, please, make any decision about my ban appeal, as Id like to know if I should shut myself up or retun to normal account. :)
ps2. Bout Bozar: I fully agree. Hope we gonna balance it nicely.
edit @ down: try cooperating those snipers now, instead of every of them shooting different guys :)
and yeah, teams are mixed, but usually the one with more snipers win :<
edit @ sarakin: you are wrong and I am not nice boat, despite being part of his gang. And its snipers who determine where the fights will be held, so its them, who decide how the battle will look like. And this 10v10 was stupid example to point out important counter, and im not native english speaker to speak my mind perfectly
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2 Krukon: Omg that is not a true.
Sniper vs BG is not only about weapon. Its about a whole different build. Sniper has often around 160 hps. NO toughness and using JET.
How many times you need to do a critical shot into eyes to kill bg? 1-3 ? And its still luck dependant. And its about 7-21 APs. And thats hell of a time.
If you will put 10 snipers and 10 tank big guners with avengers. Big gunners with rush and will win. Because sniper is dead from 1, max from 2 bursts.
And it must be a HELL of a LUCK. To kill 10 big guners on first or second shot from 10 snipers.
Even in 1vs1, good big guner kill sniper very easily. Everything is about eyeshots or knockouts. And if BG know how to move without getting hit in the eyes (Yes its about skill) sniper is dependand only on HEAVY LUCK to do instakill or knockout into head.
TC is about mixing team of players. I really wanna see team only of big guners or snipers, it will be shit.
Snipers need meatshields (Big gunners) also BG need support from snipers.
Update.
Btw. Gauss build is only good at using gauss. So its one purpose build. And not very cheap one with rareness of gauss. Consider that too.
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My few cents.
Weapon perks dont really matter, players will always try to have max hit chance on max range, no matter what. Of course, penetrate is different subject.
Im for adding as rare weapons: pulse pistol, bozar, turbo plasma rifle and g11, so not only small gun snipers can have rare weapon.
Gauss pistol is really good and I think its even better than gauss rifle. Nevertheless, these characters are fragile and die easily if not covered. Its not a IKillAll character.
Truth lies somewhere in-between hovinko and nice boat. 10 on 10 scenario, big gunners will mostly win, as hovinko stated. But the strength in snipers lies in flexibility as nice boat stated, you can try to kill someone and then retreat. Not to mention, people cant figure out from where that shot came from.
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Thinking of taming down Gauss a little and making it only available from Glow in a limited form
This would be a great decision. There are far too many people who create dozens of 'getmegauss' alts, with only intention to search for these special encounters. Is not right.
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This would be a great decision. There are far too many people who create dozens of 'getmegauss' alts, with only intention to search for these special encounters. Is not right.
Agreed. I like the idea of occasionally getting lucky and finding something useful in an encounter, but definitely not the best gear. Much better to reward players for teamwork and exploration.
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I like the idea of occasionally getting lucky and finding something useful in an encounter, but definitely not the best gear.
90%people selling gauss on forum after they find spec enc so let them just find money there *_)
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Gorlak has a point, also don't forget about special-gauss powerbuilds alts.
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My few cents.
Weapon perks dont really matter, players will always try to have max hit chance on max range, no matter what. Of course, penetrate is different subject.
Im for adding as rare weapons: pulse pistol, bozar, turbo plasma rifle and g11, so not only small gun snipers can have rare weapon.
Gauss pistol is really good and I think its even better than gauss rifle. Nevertheless, these characters are fragile and die easily if not covered. Its not a IKillAll character.
Truth lies somewhere in-between hovinko and nice boat. 10 on 10 scenario, big gunners will mostly win, as hovinko stated. But the strength in snipers lies in flexibility as nice boat stated, you can try to kill someone and then retreat. Not to mention, people cant figure out from where that shot came from.
Penetrate is factored in because the damage I'm using is based upon real damage done to the different armours, then weighted to make damage to higher armour more important.
Long Range needs to be factored in because it gives flexibility. Hitting at 50 hexes with a Gauss is a lot harder than with a Sniper Rifle - so requires a more extreme build. When we have a greater variety of perks this should then reflect in being able to have a Sniper who can take more "non essential" perks and have abilities elsewhere whilst someone building for a weapon without the long range perk must invest more into I and Pe to make that up.
At the end of the day, how price is exactly calculated is not a science and so long as everything is roughly in the right ballpark I'll be happy enough.
The rarew weapons I was thinking of initially are Gatling (Enclave Encounters), Bozar (somewhere?), Gauss Pistol/Rifle (Small quantities, Glow), XL70 (BoS Encounters) and FN FAL HPFA (somewhere?)
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FN FAL HPFA seems to be weapons which would fit the succesfull bounty hunter image. I mean, rare "Experienced bounty hunters" with some better stuff, much harder to kill and much nicier to loot, able to be found around Redding or New Reno. They could also have holodisc with location of XXX (put something to fight with) which would result in another, random quest.
Bozar could be held by officer leading anti-guerilla teams used by VC in order to fight ghoul crazies / NCR army fighting crazies/muties.
Those encounters could also add possibility of getting ad-hoc quest (If managed to save ambushed muties from evil capitalists :P)
Both those Bozar encounters should be rare and should give a possibility of making two quests, (helping NCR, getting reward / helping muties, getting different, smaller reward and loot from killed NPC / failing and killing both teams).
This idea introduces those weapons and makes encounters something more than just "lets kill this shit" events. In fact lots of encounters could lead to random bigger or smaller quests, just to enrich the gameplay.
ps. of course this idea is just an example, eventually to be modified and adjusted :>
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90%people selling gauss on forum after they find spec enc so let them just find money there *_)
Don't forget about rare items collectors.
Gorlak has a point, also don't forget about special-gauss powerbuilds alts.
What is wrong with special gauss character? F2238 is alts mode. We need alts to everything. Crafters, cripplers, normal snipers, flamer alts, miniguners, rocket man, taxi, speakers, HtH, locksmiths, repair man etc. Why do you care about gauss character?
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i think there should be weapon level requirements...
like you require 18 lvl to use gauss pistol/rifle, 21 lvl to use bozar.. etc, so every weapon is obtainable but cannot be used by everyone, and of course they shouldnt be too powerful, gauss rifle could be only good for crits and accuracy, but damage should be small (after all its just a 2mm ball, wtf?!) it would be good for cripplers, bozar could be big gun sniper's dream, same as sniper, except worse crit chance to when hit any body parts, but does high damage because of its caliber (uh i think it should have own type of ammo... dunno something like .50? Lol)
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Every change of way, how to get rare weapons, which will not be based upon HUGE RANDOM factor, leads into massive farming of these weapons.
And what will be the end? Every one will have just these weapons.
For example if you make gauss spawn in glow. There will be small group of players 24/7.
And what will be outcome?
1, Respawn will be often (1-2 per day), which cause 1 group of no lifers will have all of them. Propably the biggest gang.
2, Respawn will be sometimes (1-2 per week), no one will use them anymore. Because of players psychology. (I have something rare i dont want to lose it.)
Give 10 power armors to the players and I garant you, after 1 week, they will be till the wipe lying in someones tent.
Noone will use it in battle, because of fear of loosing "lulz and rare" stuff.
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Give 10 power armors to the players and I garant you, after 1 week, they will be till the wipe lying in someones tent.
Noone will use it in battle, because of fear of loosing "lulz and rare" stuff.
It's a very valid point. I don't know what you can do about that.
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It's a very valid point. I don't know what you can do about that.
False. Cajuns got an HPA near an end of a session, and we used it in many battles before finally loosing it (well, I loosed it actually ;p).
Anyway, it's very sad that every funny IG weapons are eventually nerfed down. It nerf the fun to have it, use or loot it on an ennemy body, as well as the true excitation it give during battle. Even if it's still superior, if it's not enough, it will be expansive, but won't worth it to play with, and risk to loose it. The fun will be lesser on every side.
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If you will create a way, how everyone can obtain that item after spending a LOT of time INGAME, players eventually get some amount of them and use them. After some time.
Its only about way how to obtain. BAs and other things which must be crafted, also arent so regular. You must invest some TIME into crafting BA.
Metal armors are used always by everyone, because you can easily buy them from merchants. And are not hard to craft.
But giving best stuff to one location, is not a good idea. It will be permanently camped by one big gang.
Btw glow as it is now, can be done in 2 characters in 15 minutes.
And if it will be spawned in just one locker, there is no problem to grind glow every 15 minutes.