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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Closed suggestions => Topic started by: Kinkin on January 27, 2011, 04:15:05 pm
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I think i gonna be not so appreciated on this thread, and i think that a lot of people suggested it before me...
But could we imagine play this game one day without boring turn based ? I mean the main point of 2238 on other Fonline challengers is about "always running gameplay", so i'm sick about many many things on turn based mode :
- i can't count in two years the time i lost while some friend were waiting for me because i was stuck in a boring turn based with 30 mobs and 3 deads blue suits
- on contrary, i can't count the time spent waiting friends stuck in turn based
- i can't bear whinning beginner explaining they are dead again and again by npcs, because they can run out... this never happen or is realy rare in RT, it just require little reflexs
- i'm sick about tons of Pk traps made with radio distress call(you know about magnetism on worldmap and distress call) ; furthermore they have characters designed for it with all good perks to play 2 turns shooting 3 times on each turn when you meet them=> Even with BA +2xtoughness and 250hp you dead from beginning of the encounter
- this game is slow and hard enough, loosing about 20 minutes in a turn based on a trip because you "fall" 3 times in same encounter(i mean you know spending 9 minutes to get out and instanly return to the same encoutner just before it "close" (because some one still inside taking some flowers...beginners of course))
i can imagine that it's funny to play with good old fallout turn based system, but seriously, does it really fit with 2238 "speed" gameplay on fight ? Wasteland is harsh and turn based offer too many bonuses to special builds... i mean it's really unfair to be shooted 6 times by bursts without being able to defend against a guy hidden in ruins.
I think i'm not the only one to share this point view, and it's unimaginable to play Town Control or Hinkley battles on turn based..
Why don't remove this archaic feature wich just make the game so slow like before(you know the good old time of "mining/then 10 minutes youtube") and help Pkers who don't take a single risk with their traps ?
Maybe this question need a poll..
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If you check Real Time only in cofig, you can never drop into TB encounter ;)
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If you check Real Time only in cofig, you can never drop into TB encounter ;)
You mean never by Yourself but still can into someone's TB
Edit: I think TB is a lot to slow. Especially with crazies encouters (Oh gawd...) but removing TB is not an option. PK traps are awful but with enough outdoorsman they are very, very rare (That means no super-power-build with BG,Doc&Fa can travel alone) and I understand that: get outdoorsman or resign from power-build are not really best options.
Edit2: Trap is a trap and it is supposed to be as deadly as possible. Hunters (PK) don't want to see fleeing prey as much as You don't want to see Your dying character.
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I'm all for this if there's a way to make combat more enjoyable against npcs. They always know where you are and come after you forever, it makes fighting them in real time very hard and unpredictable. But also abusable.
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If you check Real Time only in cofig, you can never drop into TB encounter ;)
Yeah bantz but as you can imagine, i never oh god never entered an encounter in turn based mode ! I speak about others people encounters and traps.
At the beginning of this session i had a kind of malediction, every wastelanders i met werre in turn based ! Even when i was near theme park i successed to find some long and boring turn based encounter.. It was like a bad joke you know and in the meanwhile my mates alsmost never entered into such TB...
Maybe it's just a curse after all, but i estimate my suggestion really interesting ! :)
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Yeah bantz but as you can imagine, i never oh god never entered an encounter in turn based mode ! I speak about others people encounters and traps.
At the beginning of this session i had a kind of malediction, every wastelanders i met werre in turn based ! Even when i was near theme park i successed to find some long and boring turn based encounter.. It was like a bad joke you know and in the meanwhile my mates alsmost never entered into such TB...
Maybe it's just a curse after all, but i estimate my suggestion really interesting ! :)
I'm all for this if there's a way to make combat more enjoyable against npcs. They always know where you are and come after you forever, it makes fighting them in real time very hard and unpredictable. But also abusable.
Seriously there are only two ways to die in RT on encounters : being really slow or unlucky, or watching youtube or forums insted of the game window :p
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Seriously there are only two ways to die in RT on encounters : being really slow or unlucky, or watching youtube or forums insted of the game window :p
I didn't mean running away from them but fighting them on purpose.
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You mean never by Yourself but still can into someone's TB
Yeah bantz but as you can imagine, i never oh god never entered an encounter in turn based mode ! I speak about others people encounters and traps.
I mean never. Not even into someone elses TB encounter. It works, try it out.
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Since I wasnt in TB this season and I dont miss it at all, Im for removing TB.
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It's just a bit of training, personaly i play Fonline for long time i never thought about kill some NPC in turn based... Some of my mate do it, personaly, about farming, i prefer to use mercs with leader(and choose my encounters) or just a burster build(bg/sg)... The best place for it is SF ruins and with a burster it's really really easy to handle : some encounters hard too hard so just escape, for others just bring them to a place where they come one by one in close combat(and hopefully most of the time different groups are fighting each others)...
Even with snipers... If the purpose of TB is farming, so maybe encounters have to be easier or just don't do it alone... The purpose about online RPg isn't about make friends and play with them ?
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It's just a bit of training, personaly i play Fonline for long time i never thought about kill some NPC in turn based... Some of my mate do it, personaly, about farming, i prefer to use mercs with leader(and choose my encounters) or just a burster build(bg/sg)... The best place for it is SF ruins and with a burster it's really really easy to handle : some encounters hard too hard so just escape, for others just bring them to a place where they come one by one in close combat(and hopefully most of the time different groups are fighting each others)...
Even with snipers... If the purpose of TB is farming, so maybe encounters have to be easier or just don't do it alone... The purpose about online RPg isn't about make friends and play with them ?
Maybe you're right, there is a way to adapt. Problem with real time vs npcs is that they always know where you are and running isn't fairly balanced compared to ap regen. For example if you encounter a group of yakuza in tb and they are 30 hex away, you get to shoot 3 times or even more before they are at you. With real time you get to shoot 3 times less.
In addition the npcs aggro in weird ways resulting in ridiculous chasing situations that make real time hunting with friends really messy.
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I mean never. Not even into someone elses TB encounter. It works, try it out.
Damn, i'll try it, can somebody else confirm that i'm a noob who never refered to the fuckin manual ? :)
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Damn, i'll try it, can somebody else confirm that i'm a noob who never refered to the fuckin manual ? :)
I dont know if its in a manual, but it works like that
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Damn, i'll try it, can somebody else confirm that i'm a noob who never refered to the fuckin manual ? :)
Actually I never knew. I was convinced that You can fall in both types of encounter all the time.
I dont know if its in a manual, but it works like that
wow... I feel stupid now :]
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Hell no.
-1000 on suggestion.
Fallout TB fights is like chess game with BLOOD, GUTS and SHITS
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I dont know if its in a manual, but it works like that
Pretty sure that not, I always had this config on "Real Time only" and I still encounter TB encounter sometimes...
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Pretty sure that not, I always had this config on "Real Time only" and I still encounter TB encounter sometimes...
I didnt enter TB encounter for a several months
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Pretty sure that not, I always had this config on "Real Time only" and I still encounter TB encounter sometimes...
Same for me i checked my config, i'm in Real Time only and i still encoutner lot of turn based...
test it bantz : take a chart without outdoor, and just travel around Hub to Boneyard for 20 minutes... we will be "fixed" on that, so for my part, i keep asking : remove this damned Turn Based, or please Gm remove my "hidden jinxed turn based always on" :)
Only yesterday, i had about 5/6 turn based encounter in this zone selling stuff in southern cities...
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Remove Kinkin instead
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Remove Kinkin instead
Get out and take Your flame with You.
Kinkin actually pointed us a problem. I don't agree with suggested solution but I think it still should be talked over.
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Fallout TB fights is like chess game with BLOOD, GUTS and SHITS
I agree to that. With TB you can decide your stretagy and fight according to it. Like a chess play, but with real time it is always click and click and click faster. Maybe the problem is me, but I never liked RT. I don't even look who I am shooting when ı am fighting in RT, I just shoot anything which is near me. almost all of my friends fight in TB, even the 21 lvl BG builds. Not because it is easier, because for some like me, it is more fun.
I don't understand why people complain about TB? I mean if you don't like it, you can turn it off. If you still fall into another players' TB encounters, well, he was there first, and it it his right to choose... I don't like RT, but I believe it would be silly if I complained like "remove RT, make TC in TB"
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no turnbased should not be taken out if you dont like it deal with it is classic fallout and real time is to hard for noobs and the people who fight in turnbased are doing it for tactical stuff. like stated by someone else if you dont want to play tb then set it to rt if you come in a tb enounter then just deal with it for time being. :o
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actually TB is more stable than RT
TB was refined since long time ago, we actually fight with the first combat sistem of fallout, nothing was changed
RT is just "everyone get is his turn at the same time", if you want to eliminate TB you need to implement a good RT sistem
first: shoot will be not animated, you can move will bursting, or shoting
two: real time move of bullets, its shitty look a man shot a misile and see the objective blowing up instantly, before of the misile reach him
three: make aim hard, not only a game of posibilities
but this is too hard to be done, really its imposible, so TB will stay with us