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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: yougart on January 14, 2011, 04:59:30 pm
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This one is a bit too big maybe. Still looking for ways to occupy high level players, let's imagine a settlers/caesar 3/simcity system where you could take care of and devellop your own little town.Although this should take only a little time every day to each player, it'll need many players to contribute to grow the village without working on it 24/7.
Anyway, let's dream about....
That would start by a random encouter, you meet a " distressed group of refugees ". Their village has been destroyed by raiders, they're just arriving from far away, they've been banned from their town....Whatever. You talk to heir leader and convince them that you'll take care of them (may take some charisma/speech). Cuz, yeah, you're gonna take care of them and become the leader of your very own village :D
1) finding a location
several possibilities here:
-buy one from a trader, like bases
-know one yourself cuz you're a good outdoorsman and you've been roaming this bloody wasteland for fucking ages
-refugees may have one in mind
anyhow, you got them a place. at first it's a few tents around a campfire, visible only by you or people you bring here(when your village reach a certain size, it will be seeable by other people and will then probably be quickly destroyed in a ciryllic sounding bloodbath)
2) your lvl1 village and its stats, basic need: food.
so at the moment it's a lvl 1 village. It got 6 inhabitants, so it consumes 12 units of food per real time day. A unit of food is anything you can eat: fruit, cheese puffs, meat jerky... and it produces, nothing.
you (or another player) must bring them 12 units of food a day so they survive. If everybody is fed properly and there's enough food for tomorow (egg, if all 6 inhabitants have eaten twice and there's 12 units of food left in the leader's inventory) you got one new inhabitant the next day.
3) the village leader
he's gonna be your main interface for managing your village. you'll have dialogues choices about - ressources (you can drop food,tools,weapons and other ressources through this guy) - needs (he'll tell you what the villages needs more right now) -stats (he'll tell you how many inhabitants there is, ressources, etc) - buildings
4) buildings ?!
yeah, you're gonna build stuff. talk to the leader and telll him, hey, i think you guys should build a brahmin pen. he'll say, hell yes, we need 500 woods pieces! so get your axe and go chop him the wood( ask friends for help! this is a community project). once the brahmin pen is build(it takes one full day: one inhabitant without tools provides 10 Building Power Point per day, the brahmin pen costs 60), go get some brahmin, bring them back to the camp, and they'll provide 4 units of food per day per brahmin(milk and cheese).
one day you'll be able to tell him, hey, you guys should build hydroponic farms, and he'll says, yeah sure, bring me 500 junk, 100 metal parts, 30 electronics parts, 30 brahmin dungs,....the list goes on. Or he may as well tell you, right, but we need a science and repair specialist!
5) specialist
your village is gonna need scientish, mechanics, doctors and stuff. you can hire them in cities or enslave them in random encouter or buy them from slavers.
you could also devellop homegrown specialist from books. lots of books.
6) your village growing up
when your village has a brahmin pen and 12 inhabitants, it becomes a lvl2 village! congratz! whats the use? you can build new stuff : guard tower to reduce chances that you lose inhabitants to raiders (random chance everyday), a fence to reduce chances that you lose villages to savage beasts, etc.... a clinic so that you reduce losing guys to diseases (but then you need to staff it with a doctor....). you got the idea.
and instead of tent they got junkmetal huts now! and mud and log houses at the next lvl! etc!
7)your village growing down
Your village may also regress or even disappear. Inhabitants can be lost to npcs hostile humans or animals(not actually happening, a random chance every day, reduced by defensive structure, the village weapons stockpiles, guards), diseases,hunger,internal crime,....a village reduced to 75% or less than its lvl population (e.g. 9 or less for a lvl 2 -12 pop- village) will lose one of its higher lvl building every day by neglect.
If your village is reduced to 3 or less inhabitants, they flee and the village disappear.
8)getting serious
as your village grow, they'll be new stuff: at lvl 3 they build you a little house, lvl 5 there's a low-end trader, etc....but the bigger the village is, the more exposed it is to random raiders and animals: so they'll need more weapons and supplies.
shit get serious at lvl 10, where any player crossing the village spot may now see it and go in. But by then it'll have guards, maybe plasma towers(1000 electronics parts anyone?) and you can also put there your own mercenaries.
Discuss :D
(edit: days here are real time days. numbers are to be discussed, e.g. the hydroponic farms ressources may be too low but i don't know much about crafting. credits for part of the inspiration to the game "La Horde" and to Izual's project showed on his youtube channel).
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1st. we need some low level featchures, or else only the 300 people or less in this actual comunity will play, and the "newbies" will elave game to play WoW or CS
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You ripped this straight from fallout settlers mod lol. But yes.... this would be... awesome as hell.
BUT, your village shouldn't be seeable from like, say, a green dot to everyone, at that certain level, it should be like a random encounter in the sqaure, and shouldn't be radio able, but will show up on your map, so if like, a 1 ch powerbuild comes across it, he can't bring in his swarm of 30235907240975 friends/alts to rape this place.
You should be able to buy unlimited militia (after 20 are spawned, the rest act as garrisoned troops, like the reinforcement script from ncr) And until this militia is all dead, the doors to the buildings of npcs (Villagers) are unopenable during an attack. (after violence ends for 15 seconds they are openable, the npcs are invulnerable, and if shot from inside building the player is teleported outside the building) If a player (EXCEPT THE FOUNDER) dies in the village the player loses location.
Build farms? because seriously why would you be the only one doing all the work for these people they gotta survive too not just sit around eating my cheesie poofs!
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This idea sounds fantastic and great and would be just awesome for FOnline but I think it will take a lot of convincing and work to the devs. This might just be what FOnline 2238 needs to make it more unique and better.
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Require dynamic object. Not soon, as for Outposts
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Ah, I didnt knew about fallout settlers mode :D too bad my computer is too crap to run F3 i'd have gladly tried.
Instead of dynamic objects, what about loading a new map everytime building configuration change? (but then you ncouldnt store stuff on the map I guess)?But that would be a lot of work as well. Note, i dont know crap about develloping and coding.
As for the high/low lvl players, I said occupy high lvl cuz low level have stuff to do (pick junk, craft BBs, get killed by a random gecko, pick junk,no,wait,cooldown,pick junk, craft BBs, get pked....) but they could actually participate as much as others.
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Well Personally I LOVE It. but Dynamic Objects Says No.
But I Have though about it and why not use the Fruit Plant or Brahmin Shit Object Generation code.
Just Change the Object?
Get a Brahmin to shit out a new lounge xD
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Make WIPE! Really, devs, I want 100x more ideas with dinamic object than that damn 2,5D :) For me idea is OK, Let's wait for devs reaction.
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Who cares about this dem 2.5D. Good old 2D with old deathclaws and ants and many ideas from this subforum would be greater than forced 2.5D
Anyways, this idea sounds good, but maybe just base add-ons to bases would be more possible.
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New Gamengine is the solution, The current FOnline 2238 is OLD
New Gamengine, New Possibilities. I Dont really wanna go in depth, but if a Dev wants more Details PM Me
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New Gamengine is the solution, The current FOnline 2238 is OLD
New Gamengine, New Possibilities. I Dont really wanna go in depth, but if a Dev wants more Details PM Me
What really needs a new engine that's related to fallout (technically) is bethesda's fallout production... Jesus christ.
This engine is not so bad, it works decently well for it's current genre.
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Heh.. always thinking about to suggest thing like this :D
Part 1 - Build village
Maybe you don't have buy it from guy like bases.
Like more option in empty encounter already.
There would be "Needed things" to make village (different ones, small, medium, large etc)
- Slaves (Like "poor" category slaves)
- Materials to build houses/buildings (Wood, Metal Parts, Flints)
- Guards (Slave would work this too and mercs also)
- At least 5 to 10 players with you (Makes this bit hard to get, but no one can run village alone..right?)
- Items to village (Like weapons for guards and townfolks, Shopkeeper items, Other stuff..)
Part 2 - Food for citizens
Of course you need to feed up you citizens (Like original post: fruits and other food items will work as food)
A well will do work for drink.
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What really needs a new engine that's related to fallout (technically) is bethesda's fallout production... Jesus christ.
This engine is not so bad, it works decently well for it's current genre.
Lol, I Hate Bethesta's Engine any more than the next guy. But Only Benefits could come from a Similar FOnline Engine. Just more Easy to use Development
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If this was implemented fonline would get massive players boost (those playing fallout mod) but we dont want that haha. The idea of fonline is simple - waiting, grinding, losing stuff, grinding losing, waiting. Your suggestion is good but would inevitably change fonline.
Although if a server like this going to be created, message me :P
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New Gamengine is the solution, The current FOnline 2238 is OLD
New Gamengine, New Possibilities. I Dont really wanna go in depth, but if a Dev wants more Details PM Me
Saving quote for next generations.
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I Love this Idea! much better then Using the Outpost as a Village, going to be difficult to rise up from level 1, but it'll help set up more relations with players and bring them together to a common goal of making their on upgradeable safe haven. i have a few suggestions to add onto it, i wouldent call the Manager the Village Leader, hes more like... a manager? a Aid? You're (the Founder) the one who's calling the shots right? dosent that make you their leader? also, the NPC Villagers shouldent only be used to just build and consume food, they could also be sent to Scavange too aswell right? go send them to gather junk/wood/ore/Minerals/Food (sounding a bit like Travian/Evony? heheh) but it would increase their possible loss of lifes, which could be increased by sending Armed Escorts with them. maybe even come with them yourself to improve the chances of them returning alive (like Caravan Escorts in FO2). another suggestion to add on is, maybe a Grid to seperate Player tents/Buildings and the Main Part of the Village, with the the amount of Buildings/tents being increased by an Upgrade option, and the Doors only Accessable to Owners, such as in Hotel Rooms in towns, with Rent like it aswell that could be payed in advance for weeks at most 4 weeks. which goes to the Village Manager to give to the Village Leader, and the Storage Containers inside the Tents/Houses/rooms are actually like the Terminal in the Faction, cept reskins into Drawers/Wardrobes/Chests, that can use the Barter button, like Followers to hold items, so if your rent is up (or a Upgraded Village Map) you dont have to worry about loseing all the items inside, and a Mailbox or NPC Villager next to the entrance Grid for Houseing gives you all your things you left in the storage after your rent expires. another one is Maybe Village Outlook (mostly just Cosmetic and could possibly Attract more ncr Villagers) which could be Upgrade lv1 Tents, lv2 Shacks, lv3, Stone (NCR Like) Buildings, lv4 (most likely the most farfetched and even less of a chance of happening) BoS type Buildings.
it would take ALOT of work, of course, both Developing for the Developers, and ALOT of Gathering and crafting for the players, aswell as their own management, but it would make alot of people happy, and alot more to give to the players to do then just blasting eachother for control of PK riddin citys that will be taken away from them sooner or later by another group. Which would still be Profitable, but some of us just want to be left alone and not killed even for just minding our own busness in an unguarded town, of course i wouldent suggest haveing HQ Ores and Mins comeing from anywere else. infact, if a village needs to upgrade passed a higher level of Contruction, their going to need HQ Materials, to make them, so you cant all together avoid Pk'ers in the Mines. and as some others have said, it'll attract more people to the Game all together.
Again, Love the Village Idea! and if it happens, i'll be one of the first to jump aboard making the village with my friends,and hope that many Peaceful people come and trade and maybe even settle down within our village if any of this is implemented. My Dream of a Player Safe Village hasent been Destroyed yet, and as soon as i came back to Fonline, i bought a Outpost base and Currently right now its being used as a base... but when we can get a new base to store things in, the Gray Rock Village will be Up again! and if this IS Implemented, the Village will be stronger then ever! (minus DOC SPAD and his raiding ways)