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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Bulldog on December 31, 2010, 05:03:55 pm
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So... Bozar, a tremendous sniper weapon, with a wide range. "The ultimate refinement of the sniper's art. Although, somewhat finicky and prone to jamming if not kept scrupulously clean, the big weapon's accuracy more than makes up for its extra maintenance requirements." (wiki description) And here it is http://www.fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Bozar
Now the question is... Why have I never seen this weapon this session? It's average damage output is the same as the damage of Gauss Pistol, exept that it requires a ton more AP to use, it's a two handed weapon, more strength to handle and another type of ammo. The average damage output is exactly the same as Gauss Pistol's (unless we score a bypass criticall hit). Has anyone seen it after the wipe? Where can we get this baby? Why is it THAT rare? I've layed my hands upon more than 3 Gauss Pistols this session and not a single Bozar. I believe that it should be more common than it is now, share your thought guys.
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Maybe they've just decided to scrap idea of BG sniper build.
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Besides that its not really fair that BG of all things gets the ultimate sniper and sg doesnt >.>.
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Besides that its not really fair that BG of all things gets the ultimate sniper and sg doesnt >.>.
BG is pretty weak this era compared to SG really. both doing the same damage and bg needing more req's and being much more expensive (if it wasnt for all those vs encounters)
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BG is pretty weak this era compared to SG really. both doing the same damage and bg needing more req's and being much more expensive (if it wasnt for all those vs encounters)
I am well aware of this and have occassionally stated such, and I hope it is buffed because it kinda is unbalanced, but thing is, its a BG, its not supposed to have anything for aimshotting, where as SG HEAVILY relies on aimshotting, yet BG gets the ultimate sniper, its ridiculous.
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SG Bursters are very good now, p90 is far too powerful.
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A Bozar is a useless rarity, stowed away in base locker.
I mean, you need a extra character to handle it! Who in the sane mind would put up BG skill with high Luck and even bring it in combat?
BG builds are bursters anyway and you don't need no Luck for rocketing your foe, only 7 Strength.
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I mean, you need a extra character to handle it! Who in the sane mind would put up BG skill with high Luck and even bring it in combat?
*slowly raises hand*
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I mean, you need a extra character to handle it! Who in the sane mind would put up BG skill with high Luck and even bring it in combat?
My bg got 25% crits, better crits and 220% bg.
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*Applauds*
How about other weapons?
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Like Pulse pistol?
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How about laser smg/plasma smg- like the pistol but an SMG?
Same range and ammo type.
It would be better than the pistol in the same way SMG is better than 10mm pistol.
This would make EW more fun. Laser rifles are boring.
Just give it a ton of deterioration, and crit failures are plasma grenade explosions.
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How about laser smg/plasma smg- like the pistol but an SMG?
What about Super Sledge SMG?
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jackhammer?
EDIT: laser smg would be as useful as gattling laser, enjoy wasting yer mfcs
I'd rather like to see upgraded laser rifle doing something ( extra ammo capacity there is nearly useless )
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jackhammer?
EDIT: laser smg would be as useful as gattling laser, enjoy wasting yer mfcs
I'd rather like to see upgraded laser rifle doing something ( extra ammo capacity there is nearly useless )
The hidden point was that as a glorified pistol it would use pistol ammo.
SEC, not MFC.
Also the whole idea was kind of a joke.
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is it even possible to obtain bozar in this wipe ?
i'm looking 4 one :F
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SG Bursters are very good now, p90 is far too powerful.
p90 is not too powerful, big guns just suxx. p90 is ok.
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p90 is not too powerful, big guns just suxx. p90 is ok.
Bah, it is. It just owns.
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p90c is still significantly less powerful than something like the Avenger and with less range.
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p90c is still significantly less powerful than something like the Avenger and with less range.
I wish to see Avengers in Hinkley (dreaming)
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{P90 and P90 build is very competitive combination. Sometimes (best build, best player) it could be dominating over big gunners.} = In HINKLEY
In every normal TC scenario, there is a very big disadvantage against other builds, even big gunners, because of lack of range. Also because of not only supermutants spawn in every short range city (Redding, BH, part of Den), P90 is not very popular too.
P90 is also quite rare to be equiped as a secondary burst weapon for snipers, so from my point of view i see 3 current purposes for this weapon: Hinkley, leveling (if you have enough ammo), suicide PK burster in guarded cities (if you have someone else who will loot you).
Back to Bozar (rare weapons).
I think that concept of rare items like Gauss pistol, Gatling laser, cookies, ... is good way how to make this game more interesting, because hunt for this stuff, that could very significantly help one side in TC is also very entertaining.
So i like aproach of obtaining those items in the game, but it has to be very limited so those items will be still rare, not usual (or at least ammo fot those items). So even Bozar could be introduced in the game, but my personal conditions:
a) limited resource of weapon (maybe same way like gauss pistols)
b) big det. by every shot (because the same ammo as sniper rifle, we cant reduce using of this weapon in game by ammo)
c) the way how this weapon will introduce the economy circle should start outside the huge gangs (PvP), so i.e. only individuals outside the gang should have biggest possibility how to find that weapon (or weapon part), so the relationship among gangs and "basic" wastelanders would be more important (so maybe PK gangs would have at least one disadvantage against PKs)...
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p90c is still significantly less powerful than something like the Avenger and with less range.
Hehe, a 10 Endurance build(HUGE HP) without drugs can do 3 p90 bursts, when if you took 10 EN build with a biggunner, you can do only 1 burst(if you dont sacrifice something very important to get that second burst). So, now do the calculations again, but don't forget to multiply the p90 damage 3 times ;) Oh, and add some critical chance.
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Hehe, a 10 Endurance build(HUGE HP) without drugs can do 3 p90 bursts, when if you took 10 EN build with a biggunner, you can do only 1 burst(if you dont sacrifice something very important to get that second burst). So, now do the calculations again, but don't forget to multiply the p90 damage 3 times ;) Oh, and add some critical chance.
Yeah, and now wake up from Hinkley dream and try to use this weapon in any TC city.. you will fail... Proof? Look how many players use P90 as their primary weapon in those locations. I bet no one sane..
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A Bozar is a useless rarity, stowed away in base locker.
I mean, you need a extra character to handle it! Who in the sane mind would put up BG skill with high Luck and even bring it in combat?
BG builds are bursters anyway and you don't need no Luck for rocketing your foe, only 7 Strength.
Wrong.
In previous session, there were few players that used Bozar in town control battles, using dedicated bg sniper character.
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p90 is only comeplete rapeage (yeah a tier above ownage) when in small fights, 4 vs 4 small, in big fight you dont have time to let off so many shots or die.
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Its useless on TC or other shit like this, too short range. For small arenas like pit or yesterday's event, sure, it rox. But its balanced.
Btw, micky:
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/218/screen31122010234429.jpg)
P90 > your advanced power armor!
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Bozar is a lot worse than a Gauss pistol, the only advantage is the ammo (read the first post in this discussion) , I havn't seen one since the wipe, there is no common sense.