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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Hololasima on December 18, 2010, 12:27:17 am
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Today a logged to game after week and guess what ? I spawn at Reno on Comercial and guy with 66hp and 5 mutants spawn behind me and destroy my trip in 2 seconds. Today it was second time ...
This is whining or whatever you want but this is really annoying and pathetic. Everyone just have 0% chance againt these "fockin" mutant parties !
I hope that there is wipe planned in near future or some temporary solution
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I hope that there is wipe planned in near future or some temporary solution
Yeah i wait it too :D
I want to see "happy" faces of everyone :D
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Dude, human bg mercs are just as powerful if not a bit more useful as long as there arent other muties around >.>.
I have a log somewhere in pastebin with 5 mercs and me and 2 guy pwning 10+ team of people in ba/metal mk2 avenger/etc..... so umm... mutants are just the more popular, after mutants people will complain bg human mercs, this gets us no where but more nerfing, because all mercs are very useful for this tactic, mutant r just more popular.
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Been talked about before, blame broken TC glitch.
Hopefully next wipe, TC rewards will work along with the re-designed crafting system. Instead of giving hard currency which leads to the ability to hire personal armies, TC rewards could offer either schematics or hard to find parts for certain craftable items.
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imo it isnt that hard to kill a mutie.
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imo it isnt that hard to kill a mutie.
yep, muties r insta killed with sniper or 1hexed with avenger/lsw easy... depends of course if you can get close enough for our poor bg :(.
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Dude, human bg mercs are just as powerful if not a bit more useful as long as there arent other muties around >.>.
I have a log somewhere in pastebin with 5 mercs and me and 2 guy pwning 10+ team of people in ba/metal mk2 avenger/etc..... so umm... mutants are just the more popular, after mutants people will complain bg human mercs, this gets us no where but more nerfing, because all mercs are very useful for this tactic, mutant r just more popular.
I think that you really didnt get it hm ?
Thanks you "Mr.Smart", i know that mutants can be insta killed by snipers ...
But i typed "I spawn at Reno on Comercial and guy with 66hp and 5 mutants spawn behind me and destroy my trip in 2 seconds" understand ?
And its doestn matter if mutants killed me or anyone else. Its about "insta kill" for those who are on/near exit grids ...
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Been talked about before, blame broken TC glitch.
Hopefully next wipe, TC rewards will work along with the re-designed crafting system. Instead of giving hard currency which leads to the ability to hire personal armies, TC rewards could offer either schematics or hard to find parts for certain craftable items.
Dont know but where is a link between reward from TC and mutant's spawn problem ???
Of course thay have money on bilions mutants from broken TC but it doesnt change fact that when someone have 5 muties and jumping to exit grids, so noone, except 5+ team dont have chance to do something because he is dead in some 2 or 3 seconds ???
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Dont know but where is a link between reward from TC and mutant's spawn problem ???
Of course thay have money on bilions mutants from broken TC but it doesnt change fact that when someone have 5 muties and jumping to exit grids, so noone, except 5+ team dont have chance to do something because he is dead in some 2 or 3 seconds ???
Why the hell would anyone without 5+team be able to take on 5 mutants and a player anyways?
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@Holo
Broken TC only increased peoples ability to afford endless supply of mutants. Merc abuse is nothing new so I am surprised that you just didn't chalk it up to "pvp for da lulz".
Grid camping as well has been bitched about and yet nothing has been done. All part of the wasteland is harsh experience.
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Why the hell would anyone without 5+team be able to take on 5 mutants and a player anyways?
You still didnt get it huh ?
Its about thing that if someone just staying with mercs above town you just DONT HAVE CHANCE to do something because you will be killed in second without ANY chance to defend yourself ?
Its ok ? Ok, then you are moron ... Thank you for betatesting
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You still didnt get it huh ?
Its about thing that if someone just staying with mercs above town you just DONT HAVE CHANCE to do something because you will be killed in second without ANY chance to defend yourself ?
Its ok ? Ok, then you are moron ... Thank you for betatesting
technically yes, this tactic has been used on me before with mutants with all rocketlaunchers, it took "every" rocket, all 5 rockets, to kill me, now if there were more than 3 of your team, you would be able to survive easy if you just ran, hell just 2 people would allow enough damage spread for at least one or both of you to run. Besides, players do this without mercs plenty times, people with very good computer who screen loads instantaneously and kill, hell I do this occassionally fucking around with mid-tier gear, should I be nerfed or banned because of it because the player i just grid killed didnt have chance to defend himself? what if I hid behind an alley and insta killed someone just coming by on the road? he had no chance to defend himself in the same manner as grid camping.
Stop this nonsense and stop trolling, I will report next time you insult me but i will let it go for now because you are obviously just angry.
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Actually, Holo has a point, Michel.
However, the Mercs system will get an overhaul soon.
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This is what happens when passive features declare the outcome in pvp/pk situations. If the game tells that expensive equals effective then:
CA + minigun are expensive = effective
5 muties are even more expensive = super effective
Too bad we can't buy 500 muties, I mean that would be super duper expensive but surely the one who paid the price deserves compensation for his money. He paid a big price to be effective in pvp :O!
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Hello!
I writed this problem in this topic:
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=11924.0
But Dishonest Abe denigrates me. He think im stupid.
I know 18 player who stopped the game in 2238, for this "bug". 3 wipes ago i know this "bug". But i don't use it, because its tasteless thing.
Im not a very old player, but i know many-many bug. And i will stupid, if i tell everything. In a past i have 8 follower. 4 mercs and and 4 slave. Izual see it and this bug will be repaired. The main problem is: The moderators, who can solved this problem does not deal with it. This is the problem.
I think, the old PVP in TB will be died. Nobody go to hunt near to sf. Nobody go to ncr, or hub. Everyone fear to the mercs "bug".
I have much stuffs. But who havent many BA, he bored the game. This 2238 the main do, what u can do is PVP. I very like TB, but i think its will die. Its a 2238 crash.
Where is the old players? They stopped the game. Where is the big masters? Like Davalko, or rikimarus gang? Where is repairKING? and i can continous his to infinity....
Its the problem MR. Abe denigrates.
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technically yes, this tactic has been used on me before with mutants with all rocketlaunchers, it took "every" rocket, all 5 rockets, to kill me, now if there were more than 3 of your team, you would be able to survive easy if you just ran, hell just 2 people would allow enough damage spread for at least one or both of you to run. Besides, players do this without mercs plenty times, people with very good computer who screen loads instantaneously and kill, hell I do this occassionally fucking around with mid-tier gear, should I be nerfed or banned because of it because the player i just grid killed didnt have chance to defend himself? what if I hid behind an alley and insta killed someone just coming by on the road? he had no chance to defend himself in the same manner as grid camping.
Stop this nonsense and stop trolling, I will report next time you insult me but i will let it go for now because you are obviously just angry.
Are you serious ? You just told us that its bad of people who have slow computer ... :o
Only excuse for you is that you are also user of mercs, but you dont have enough money to buy mutants so you must use only "leather jacket" mercs which ARE easily destroyable ...
Once again, problem is that you CANT be anywhere near exit grid because when someone with 5 muties spawn there, you are dead before you see who shooting. It is normal for you ? Allright, then dont type to this topic ...
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But Dishonest Abe denigrates me. He think im stupid.
:) Are you kidding me?
If you read my post, I only moved it because both of the problems you talked about were already reported. See the link I posted in the bug topic.
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Make a delay between player click to enter a town and his appearance. No more differences between players with good computers and others.
Make a bigger delay for SM entrance. Player will enter, will need to stay 10 seconds before his muties appear, and everyone will be happy.
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Are you serious ? You just told us that its bad of people who have slow computer ... :o
like in every other online game...
Only excuse for you is that you are also user of mercs, but you dont have enough money to buy mutants so you must use only "leather jacket" mercs which ARE easily destroyable ...
I simply find leather jacket mercs more fun because muties are way too slow, I prefer geurrilla warfare and lightning damage and like being able to continuosly push back the enemy in a corner with extreme damage and the ability to keep up in distance to deal such damage.
Once again, problem is that you CANT be anywhere near exit grid because when someone with 5 muties spawn there, you are dead before you see who shooting. It is normal for you ? Allright, then dont type to this topic ...
Like i said is it wrong if a single player insta spawns and kills a player by grid camping? The player victim had no chance to defend himself. So maybe he be nerfed/banned too?
P.S. is over a million caps in the bank not enough for mutants? I've done wasted 3 sets of them...
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Like i said is it wrong if a single player insta spawns and kills a player by grid camping? The player victim had no chance to defend himself. So maybe he be nerfed/banned too?
There is huge difference: if he wait inside, he can be spotted on preview, if he wait on WM, he can be shot during the loading time and time for him to aim his target. Muties spawn and shot instantly.
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There is huge difference: if he wait inside, he can be spotted on preview, if he wait on WM, he can be shot during the loading time and time for him to aim his target. Muties spawn and shot instantly.
So basically merc build targets and shoots his victims by entering town. What a fine gameplay.
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So basically merc build targets and shoots his victims by entering town. What a fine gameplay.
Don't knock it till ya try it ;D.
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I spawn at Reno on Comercial and guy with 66hp and 5 mutants spawn behind me and destroy my trip in 2 seconds
Why would you have logged off in Commercial Row in New Reno? That seems like the issue here. You're lucky you weren't killed in that 3 minute wait period.
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Why would you have logged off in Commercial Row in New Reno? That seems like the issue here. You're lucky you weren't killed in that 3 minute wait period.
Huh, where have you read he logged off inside the town?
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Why would you have logged off in Commercial Row in New Reno? That seems like the issue here. You're lucky you weren't killed in that 3 minute wait period.
? Logged off ?
If you know how to read simple text so you must know that i didnt type anything about logging somewhere ...
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Today a logged to game after week and guess what ? I spawn at Reno on Comercial and guy with 66hp and 5 mutants spawn behind me and destroy my trip in 2 seconds. Today it was second time ...
That wasn't worded great, but it sounded to me like he's been off for a week, and logged back in, forgetting he logged off last right in Commercial Row.
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Don't knock it till ya try it ;D.
I have to admit that setting mercs on auto-kill-anything-that-spawns-in-map-camp-encounter-before-they-have-a-viable-chance-to-atleast-defend-themselves-due-to-engine/playerl-latency-limitations has to be one of the finer points of 2238. I agree 100% with Michaelh that during the beta testing process and possibly (a polished product?) this feature should stay indefinatley without question.
Also just because someone has a different opinion and argues over it doesn't mean they are trolling.
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I have to admit that setting mercs on auto-kill-anything-that-spawns-in-map-camp-encounter-before-they-have-a-viable-chance-to-atleast-defend-themselves-due-to-engine/playerl-latency-limitations has to be one of the finer points of 2238. I agree 100% with Michaelh that during the beta testing process and possibly (a polished product?) this feature should stay indefinatley without question.
totally.
Also just because someone has a different opinion and argues over it doesn't mean they are trolling.
Its ok ? Ok, then you are moron ... Thank you for betatesting
That is soooooo not trolling....
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Before i was banned because i showed how absurd is current supermutants gameplay (it is instakill artillery), i suggest to make delay between entrance of location and possibility of control your mercs. In fact, they should stay passive (freeze) for cca 10 seconds. It could be used only in cities, not encounters to avoid lost of mercs in random encounters. But IMO, there should not exist such a powerfull merc like supermutants, because even 1 strong supermuntant could do at least 150 damage from second computer.
1) this totaly disbalance the pvp and cause massive migration to other servers, i mean pvp players that were here until end of era. You know, every era has its lifetime (my idea how to make era longer http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=11713.0 (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=11713.0) ).
Every era there is one constant.. PvP. Even every new feautures are founded, all bases bought, all stuff collected, pvp remains. This era has ended even before wipe, because of problem with supermutants that ruins PvP (together with bugged TC). I just dont know, how many posts we have to post to temporary disable buy of supermutatnts, human mercs. Of course, they will use slave mercs, but at least, they will have to enslave them before pvp.
2) Second thing is aproach of GMs. Instead of they will found and notice to this problem and i.e. temporary eliminate it (by erasing that NPC), they ban people. Surf Solar, after you banned my Lordus char, i had created GaiusCesar one. Not because of i want to show you how easy is to by pass all bans, dual logs .. (even in game), but because i liked PvP and mutants are CANCER. Your reaction was. Ban. How helpfull for game balance!!!
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2) Second thing is aproach of GMs. Instead of they will found and notice to this problem and i.e. temporary eliminate it (by erasing that NPC), they ban people. Surf Solar, after you banned my Lordus char, i had created GaiusCesar one. Not because of i want to show you how easy is to by pass all bans, dual logs .. (even in game), but because i liked PvP and mutants are CANCER. Your reaction was. Ban. How helpfull for game balance!!!
1st: This is not even remotevily connected to this topic.
2nd: GMs aren't responsible for ingame balance or fixing bugs.
3rd: I'm not even a GM.
4th: I didn't even ban "a char".
5th: I banned your "Lordus" forum account, and if your next posts will be the same like the previous ones then this time it won't be just a temporariy ban. ::)
6th: I didn't ban you for your topic, no one has something against someone telling some issues of the game in a proper way (which you didn't do, no, you chose the way of the troll like everytime, that's why you received a ban.)
And you didn't "prove" me how easy it is to "dual log", you only proven more what kind of a person you are.
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Proper way.. if i will post that i dislike being killed by supermutants controled by Rogues or CS, they will start reaction that i am noobish whiner. I still think that way i chose was perfect to demonstrate the problem with supermutants. Only difference was name, others were same.
It is quite sad that your artistic soul, that created music i like and listen (Tunes of a Doomsday Tribe), is imprisoned in body controled by so byrocratic and formalistic mind.