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Title: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Bartosz on January 18, 2010, 09:49:36 pm
FIXES:
- Fixed missing wall tile.
- Fixed bug (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=875.0) with guards considering mutated fruit a drug.
- Fixed bug (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=879.0) with wrong message when Doctor skill is used.
- Fixed Sharpshooter Perk description. (link (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=774.0)}
- Fixed Balthas Quest in Modoc. (link (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=610.0))
- Fixed tree growing. (link (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=914.0))
- Fixed the smallest bug (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=923.0) ever.
- The notorious lighter weight (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=972.0) has been fixed
- Fixed Melinda (VC) and Whiskey Bob (Klamath) dialogs
- Encounter groups placement
- Encounter critters numbers

(SMALL FEATURES):
- Added perforated death animation for small and big radscorpion.

CHANGES (WIP):
- Interface bar facelifted.
- Wastes claim the unused tents/cars parked in desert after 7 days of being left out.

RECOMMENDATIONS:
- Run the updater to get the new *.dat files.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lil Jesus on January 18, 2010, 09:53:01 pm
"wastes claim after 7 days" i hope it works, it would suck to lose a tent full of own created goods, oh uh... about that, how it works? does it check who "enters" that location? and if car then "who uses it"?

"- Fixed the smallest bug ever."
 ;D made me smile
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jodwig on January 18, 2010, 10:01:18 pm
"wastes claim after 7 days" i hope it works, it would suck to lose a tent full of own created goods, oh uh... about that, how it works? does it check who "enters" that location? and if car then "who uses it"?

I'm worried about that... It's WiP so it can be bugged and bye bye stuff :P
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: STONEBALLS on January 18, 2010, 10:03:13 pm
client is not working after downloading the new 12 bite faction004.dat
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lil Jesus on January 18, 2010, 10:04:35 pm
client is not working after downloading the new 12 bite faction004.dat

same, 12 kb scares me....

plus you wrote "download fileS"
so i guess theres some missing?
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Archvile on January 18, 2010, 10:05:19 pm
I've just updated the client and the program crashesh at the very start up. I get a blank window and the dump file pop-up. This never happend before.

Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: kav on January 18, 2010, 10:07:56 pm
I cant run the game after update.
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3206/50747309.jpg)
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jodwig on January 18, 2010, 10:08:56 pm
I join to whine and - same here, have error and can't run the game
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Kotlecik 01 on January 18, 2010, 10:09:49 pm
I cant run the game after update too....
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Frozen Mind on January 18, 2010, 10:11:48 pm
- Wastes claim the unused tents/cars parked in desert after 7 days of being left out.

RAPE!!! Lone player - while making a break of gaming (more than 7 days) - looses ALL his loot. It's not fair! Nolifers will become nowacationers!!! RAPE!!!
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Resp on January 18, 2010, 10:11:57 pm
del faction004.dat
and don't update
wait some time
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Misiolap on January 18, 2010, 10:13:20 pm
http://ul.to/x7zsy7

Pre-update faction004.dat (courtesy of janosik)


Files in updater are now correct
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: RJ on January 18, 2010, 10:15:32 pm
- Wastes claim the unused tents/cars parked in desert after 7 days of being left out.

What does that mean exatcly? Unused means what? That you don't enter it? That you don't put stuff in it? Or that you don't have any stuff in it? Can we get some explanation?
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jodwig on January 18, 2010, 10:16:59 pm
http://ul.to/x7zsy7

Pre-update faction004.dat (courtesy of janosik)

It works, thanks
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Bartosz on January 18, 2010, 10:17:36 pm
- Wastes claim the unused tents/cars parked in desert after 7 days of being left out.

What does that mean exatcly? Unused means what? That you don't enter it? That you don't put stuff in it? Or that you don't have any stuff in it? Can we get some explanation?

That you don't enter it. And well...we may make it longer after some time, but initially, we need to do some cleanup (looots of abandoned maps).
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: RJ on January 18, 2010, 10:19:07 pm
@up
OK. Thank you for explanation.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jodwig on January 18, 2010, 10:19:15 pm
That you don't enter it. And well...we may make it longer after some time, but initially, we need to do some cleanup (looots of abandoned maps).

But if you fail with that you won't just clean map from unused tents but from used too :/
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jan0s1k on January 18, 2010, 10:20:54 pm
scypior server is off for now?
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Bartosz on January 18, 2010, 10:21:26 pm
But if you fail with that you won't just clean map from unused tents but from used too :/

You mean some bug? You bet:)
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Ganado on January 18, 2010, 10:22:59 pm
That you don't enter it. And well...we may make it longer after some time, but initially, we need to do some cleanup (looots of abandoned maps).

This is probably a stupid question, but that is 7 real-life days, right?....RIGHT?
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jan0s1k on January 18, 2010, 10:24:07 pm
i use tent 2h before update and i dont see this ;]
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Eralo on January 18, 2010, 10:26:57 pm
[...]
CHANGES (WIP):
- Interface bar facelifted.
- Wastes claim the unused tents/cars parked in desert after 7 days of being left out.
[...]

The only thing left after a break is you character and your bank account? Now that is harsh. What would be next; taxes in the bank account? To slowly burn the money out. Character degradation over time?

Well I understand something is necessary to cull all the junk that is filling the supposedly desertic wasteland. What about a way of suspending the account removing temporally all the possessions of that account, but restorable without penalties. Or maybe more information, like an email, so the server could notify the user about an tent/car expiration. Yeah WiP I know let's wait.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Ghosthack on January 18, 2010, 10:30:30 pm
The only thing left after a break is you character and your bank account? Now that is harsh. What would be next; taxes in the bank account? To slowly burn the money out. Character degradation over time?

I don't know if you missed it, but you actually get interest for storing your money in the bank, unless they already have to much (then it's at 0%).
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jan0s1k on January 18, 2010, 10:33:45 pm
If tents will be deleted in 7 days I have suggest to gm's/devs
add base for only one player (or just limit of minimum players is 1) that should help all people in wasteland who want have many of space and be only one
bcz when i want to buy base (depot), I was must organise my friends to leave his base and follow me to buy a base
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lexx on January 18, 2010, 10:34:39 pm
http://ul.to/x7zsy7

Pre-update faction004.dat (courtesy of janosik)

Don't use this file, it will break the dat update.

Use updater again, it should work now.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: solid snake on January 18, 2010, 10:35:18 pm
what if i can't play for a period of time due to say, i have to leave town for a while on vacation or whatever.
what can i do about my tent?

hows this work with shared tents? if i built the tent and don't enter it for a long while, but my friend who can see the tent does often.
what will happen here?
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: jan0s1k on January 18, 2010, 10:53:54 pm
my posts are invisible ;]
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Misiolap on January 18, 2010, 10:56:19 pm
Don't use this file, it will break the dat update.

Use updater again, it should work now.

The new faction004.dat is still missing the Town/World entry and preview graphics.
( Bug report: http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=1025.0 )
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lexx on January 18, 2010, 11:20:57 pm
No, it's in faction003.dat.

We upload new files to the updater. Wait 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: lisac2k on January 18, 2010, 11:26:52 pm
Okay, fixed. Wait a bit, then run updater.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Elmehdi on January 18, 2010, 11:30:35 pm

- Wastes claim the unused tents/cars parked in desert after 7 days of being left out.


It forces us to log in on every account at least once a week. This combined with 10 min anti alt is totally not fun, sry.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Karpov on January 18, 2010, 11:41:07 pm
What about the cars parked in the cities? I think that it should be punished too, you cannot park your car forever... and sometimes it is annoying. For example there are 2 in Junktown entrance and they have been there for so long, they are not only blocking the way but they are also being used to ambush players ,since the guards can´t shoot through the cars some people would hide behind them.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Wipe on January 19, 2010, 12:17:08 am
What about the cars parked in the cities? I think that it should be punished too, you cannot park your car forever... and sometimes it is annoying. For example there are 2 in Junktown entrance and they have been there for so long, they are not only blocking the way but they are also being used to ambush players ,since the guards can´t shoot through the cars some people would hide behind them.

Cars will disappear from cities really soon. Trust me 8)
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Diegtariew on January 19, 2010, 12:35:36 am
Cars will disappear from cities really soon. Trust me 8)

Very impressive post, trust me. ;D

Where is moderator, for junk such post as above? It doesnt solve the player problem, and there is no answer to his/her hidden question, it is only confirm the fact, that the cars will be deleted.
The problem is still. Such feature is not liked by players, but GM ignorance is not liked too, Ms Wipe.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Reconite on January 19, 2010, 01:01:23 am
GM ignorance
Pffft, be lucky I'm not a GM.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lexx on January 19, 2010, 01:33:57 am
Such feature is needed to not flood the worldmap with endless objects, which leads in more needed space, which leads in more server crashs.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Diegtariew on January 19, 2010, 01:50:47 am
And that answer is satisfying. Thanks Lexx. But how do you plan to solve the problem of those players who need to take a longer break of game? Vacations, computer crash, sick, or other real-life things?
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: korzen83 on January 19, 2010, 02:12:13 am
tell your friend to log-in for you sometimes
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: solid snake on January 19, 2010, 02:23:26 am
tell your friend to log-in for you sometimes

that's what i was thinkin'..
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: _Youkai_ on January 19, 2010, 02:32:13 am
is not how it should be...

"tell your friend to log-in in your account"
is not valid.

I don't want to share my char with my friends or my mom or whoever.. just to save my tent.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: solid snake on January 19, 2010, 03:46:00 am
is not how it should be...

"tell your friend to log-in in your account"
is not valid.

I don't want to share my char with my friends or my mom or whoever.. just to save my tent.

agreed lol..
i mean i don't want be burden my friends with logging me in and such..
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: DakaSha on January 19, 2010, 04:25:02 am
tell your friend to log-in for you sometimes

 ::)
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Surf on January 19, 2010, 06:27:55 am
This is really a good update. It's good to see the devs responding to the players suggestions. :)
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lexx on January 19, 2010, 09:15:16 am
And that answer is satisfying. Thanks Lexx. But how do you plan to solve the problem of those players who need to take a longer break of game? Vacations, computer crash, sick, or other real-life things?

We will optimize the game from time to time, but this one is a bit tricky, so we needed to find a fast way to get rid of a lot maps. As example, we got more than 3000 tent maps already and every day approx 100 have been added (and nearly none deleted).
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Diegtariew on January 19, 2010, 09:30:46 am
Think about such feature. This is example and suggestion of course.

If player will plane to resign of playing game, he could dismantle a tent and return brahmin skins and items to his inventory.
Then such overloaded player could be automatically teleported to worldmap for safe logout for a long time.
He will preserve his stuff, and when he return to play after a month of break he can make his tent as new and he will have his stuff.

If player will not plan to make break of playing, because some real life issues could happen and he could not log to game in 7 days (less or more) then the game will do automatically things written above.

Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Bartosz on January 19, 2010, 02:33:26 pm
Ah, one more note...The first "wave" of cleanup should come sooner than 7 days from that update. I think the day after tommorow. I wanted to make it faster (the initial cleanup), cause it's a memory burden to keep those useless locations... (it piled up after those months since wipe).
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Bantz on January 19, 2010, 04:06:11 pm
I am afraid lot of people will be pissed about loosing their tents full of stuff. If there will be a cleanup, it would deserve some announcment, because not everyone reads the discussions under changelogs.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: korzen83 on January 19, 2010, 07:28:15 pm
I am afraid lot of people will be pissed about loosing their tents full of stuff. If there will be a cleanup, it would deserve some announcment, because not everyone reads the discussions under changelogs.
Men it`s already announced in launcher, is it not sufficient? Everybody see this when launching the game so no excuses, besides it`s beta test, it`ll be wiped anyway stop whining.
And if this will reduce lags and increase stability, i really appreciate this cleanup.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: JblakeR on January 20, 2010, 05:54:27 am
Is it only unused tents being wiped? Or all?
Also, newest changelog says you can radio for help... more details? Any specific channel?
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lexx on January 20, 2010, 09:47:37 am
All tents that are not used after - at the moment - 7 days are deleted. This means, if you don't visit your tent for 7 days, its gone. We need a shorter timeframe for now to clean up the worldmap. Later we will higher the timer a bit.

About radio help. You have to take the radio in your hand and set a channel. If you now send a help request, everyone who has a radio in his hands + your channel, will get your position on the worldmap.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: runboy93 on January 20, 2010, 11:18:03 am
Next time when updates comes?
1 week,2 weeks?

Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lexx on January 20, 2010, 11:28:17 am
Not with next update.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: cerberix on January 20, 2010, 03:30:37 pm
What's the matter with these tents? I am in his tent with another player is full of different things. It will be difficult for me to take the time to first base but I would rather have these things in the tent so that others do not see them. What's this all about??
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Dark Angel on January 20, 2010, 03:35:34 pm
About tent- if you enter don't enter before seven day's time . Tent will be delete ;p.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: cerberix on January 20, 2010, 03:44:07 pm
So my tent, no one can see? A little stupid this idea. Anyone will be able to log for a week, he will not have the internet and lose all their possessions.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Dark Angel on January 20, 2010, 03:49:14 pm
Hey, week in real time or week in game? ..
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Bartosz on January 20, 2010, 04:22:22 pm
So my tent, no one can see? A little stupid this idea. Anyone will be able to log for a week, he will not have the internet and lose all their possessions.

Let's say it's not 'an idea' but rather will to cleanup a world a bit after those months since wipe. And the world...well, eats hardware resources...
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Gruik on January 20, 2010, 09:55:55 pm
People, don't whine 'cause you think that's "stupid" or "useless". It's for the servor stability, because it doesn't seems to be like that, but hundreds of empty tents or full of useless items suck resources a lot, as scypior said.

Hey, week in real time or week in game? ..

Real time of course !
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lipa-junior on February 01, 2010, 03:30:22 am
Well... How should I start...

I'm playing only during the weekends and only if I have the time. Last weekend I had not. You can imagine what happened. ;D

To make it worse, I've finished last session while traveling to Modoc to check out if there are any PKs. Left all my stuff in the tent. :o

I don't enjoy those new changes; I don't even have a physical possibility to play during monday-friday period of time so my char will from now on live in the constant danger of being half-wiped. And more importantly I'm "nude" once again. I don't even have a flint or brahmin hide, nor armor or weapon. Just like some %$^&% level 1.

So there is one question I'd like to ask:

Is there any possibility to get my tent/stuff back, at least partially?

Also: Change the value of tent-killer timer to at least 14 days? Pleeeeasse?

I know I'm a minority here, but in current situation playing for me is kinda... pointless.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lena on February 01, 2010, 09:34:49 am
You're not the minority, people don't want tent-wiping. The devs said its temporary, you might want to make a thread in the suggestions forum about it.
Title: Re: Changelog 18/01/2010
Post by: Lexx on February 01, 2010, 11:16:35 am
As if one more thread will change everything.