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So i decided to make a new suggestion about crafting that will probably change server karma to better,more Pvp,more people and ofcourse more fun...
First about usual Adv. Workbenches...
They aren't special in anyway,the things that you usualy craft there can be already farmed or buyed from merchants so it is kinda useless...We need to make this more interesting,so there would be much more people who would be interested to craft there some HQ stuff and the most important.traps that will be waiting there and that will mean more PVP...fights for hq commponents or stuff,you want good gear? you will gona fight for it...I suggest to remove Adv. workbenches from Gun Runners and from Toxic caves...Add some mutants to mariposa so people won't craft better gear so easy...
If there would be only one adv. workbench (in mariposa) then more people will meet there...it will be much more interesting then now boring and dead...
About Sierra Army depot...now it is really useless loc. almost nobody went there,why no make it more interesting? add around this location encounters with sentry bots,give more hp to turrets in siera and most important,add something like an new workbench,something like Autmatic CNC plant like in TLA mk2... and that will bring alot attention i believe...here you will can craft the most HQ stuff that you can get in game by different ways...first ofcourse you will need BP and skill to use it perhaps some additonal tools too...
What there should be craftable? i believe that there should be craftable gears like PPK 12 Gauss pistol,bozar,vindicator,BA,CA Enclave,Solar Scorber,Pulse pistol,plasma torch,G11,turbo plasma,gatling laser and M72 gauss rifle.
I believe that this will bring more life to server,people would love to fight for stuff like these,now it is kinda boring and stereotype,waiting in ncr only until some TC or some noobs in Reno apear...this would give reason to players to be more active! There would be many fights in both locations (mariposa and sierra) just to get those HQ stuff...Blueprints for these HQ gear should be obtain from hard quests,maybe something like Gun Runners quest...the most HQ BP's like M72 and Vindicator could be found in special encounters...i know you might think that it will be OP or what but really devs. look how many gausses vindi's and bozar's are in game and who actauly use them in pvp or so? they are just lying in lockers until WIPe cause people are so afraid to lost it,most of them are almost impossible or really hard to get or nobody know anything about them and that isn't gopd,if i would have gun like those i would enjoy it,i would even kill theifs in NCR with it,still better then just having it in locker forever,so i think this changes are really important otherwise those weapons and locations are really pointless...make this server less stereotype,i don't want you to reply all the stuff from TLA,i just want see new things and reasons why fight and enjoy this game...give it at least chance.
How about schematics for some HQ stuff? you do some quests for perhaps Enclave and they will give you (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/f/f7/Vertipln.gif) for Gatling laser,then you gona need reources and later u can craft it in sierra...
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:Motor.gif) Motor would be good craft component for Miniguns (cause they need rotate somehow,without motor they probably couldnt...)
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:Plasma.png) component for Turbo plasma,you would get it from quest
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/e/e0/FO2_NavCom_Parts.gif) component that is needed for HQ ew weapons,you would only get it from sierra computers or from footlockers...
Some EW would need more modules cause of it high tech level... (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/1/12/Blue_Memory_Module.gif) you can get this from BOS or Enclave,if you would do quests for them... All these gears need more components to get it craft so it would be hard to obtain it and then risk it all in one location...
Also there could be encounters like a car in wasteland where you can get FCC but instead of car there would be some pre war old tech lab center or smothing like that,just some remmants of it where you would have same chance to get modules,components and other stuff,like in encounter with car and FCC...
ALSO the FOOTLOCKERS would be finaly more interesting,instead of those boring shit like 3 caps or leather jackets there should be some Components! It will be much better i believe...
(btw sorry about my english but i was think about all those ideas not about grammar...)
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So i decided to make a new suggestion about crafting that will probably change server karma to better,more Pvp,more people and ofcourse more fun...
First about usual Adv. Workbenches...
They aren't special in anyway,the things that you usualy craft there can be already farmed or buyed from merchants so it is kinda useless...We need to make this more interesting,so there would be much more people who would be interested to craft there some HQ stuff and the most important.traps that will be waiting there and that will mean more PVP...fights for hq commponents or stuff,you want good gear? you will gona fight for it...I suggest to remove Adv. workbenches from Gun Runners and from Toxic caves...Add some mutants to mariposa so people won't craft better gear so easy...
If there would be only one adv. workbench (in mariposa) then more people will meet there...it will be much more interesting then now boring and dead...
About Sierra Army depot...now it is really useless loc. almost nobody went there,why no make it more interesting? add around this location encounters with sentry bots,give more hp to turrets in siera and most important,add something like an new workbench,something like Autmatic CNC plant like in TLA mk2... and that will bring alot attention i believe...here you will can craft the most HQ stuff that you can get in game by different ways...first ofcourse you will need BP and skill to use it perhaps some additonal tools too...
What there should be craftable? i believe that there should be craftable gears like PPK 12 Gauss pistol,bozar,vindicator,BA,CA Enclave,Solar Scorber,Pulse pistol,plasma torch,G11,turbo plasma,gatling laser and M72 gauss rifle.
I believe that this will bring more life to server,people would love to fight for stuff like these,now it is kinda boring and stereotype,waiting in ncr only until some TC or some noobs in Reno apear...this would give reason to players to be more active! There would be many fights in both locations (mariposa and sierra) just to get those HQ stuff...Blueprints for these HQ gear should be obtain from hard quests,maybe something like Gun Runners quest...the most HQ BP's like M72 and Vindicator could be found in special encounters...i know you might think that it will be OP or what but really devs. look how many gausses vindi's and bozar's are in game and who actauly use them in pvp or so? they are just lying in lockers until WIPe cause people are so afraid to lost it,most of them are almost impossible or really hard to get or nobody know anything about them and that isn't gopd,if i would have gun like those i would enjoy it,i would even kill theifs in NCR with it,still better then just having it in locker forever,so i think this changes are really important otherwise those weapons and locations are really pointless...make this server less stereotype,i don't want you to reply all the stuff from TLA,i just want see new things and reasons why fight and enjoy this game...give it at least chance.
How about schematics for some HQ stuff? you do some quests for perhaps Enclave and they will give you (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/f/f7/Vertipln.gif) for Gatling laser,then you gona need reources and later u can craft it in sierra...
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:Motor.gif) Motor would be good craft component for Miniguns (cause they need rotate somehow,without motor they probably couldnt...)
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:Plasma.png) component for Turbo plasma,you would get it from quest
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/e/e0/FO2_NavCom_Parts.gif) component that is needed for HQ ew weapons,you would only get it from sierra computers...
Some EW would need more modules cause of it high tech level... (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/1/12/Blue_Memory_Module.gif) you can get this from BOS or Enclave,if you would do quests for them... All these gears need more components to get it craft so it would be hard to obtain it and then risk it all in one location...
Also there could be encounters like a car in wasteland where you can get FCC but instead of car there would be some pre war old tech lab center or smothing like that,just some remmants of it where you would have same chance to get modules,components and other stuff,like in encounter with car and FCC...
ALSO the FOOTLOCKERS would be finaly more interesting,instead of those boring shit like 3 caps or leather jackets there should be some Components! It will be much better i believe...
(btw sorry about my english but i was think about all those ideas not about grammar...)
Example
PPK 12 Gauss pistol
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/b/b0/Gaussptl.gif)
You can already get this gun from special enco that will be only most safe way to get it,right.
But if you like risk,you will can craft in sierra...
Crafting:
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/3/3b/Alloys2.gif) 6x
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/a/af/Alloys.gif) 3x
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/a/a0/Metal_trash2.gif) 5x
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/9/99/Metal_trash.gif) 2x
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/3/38/Pump2.gif) 2x
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/b/b5/V15comp.gif) 4x HQ el. parts
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/e/e0/FO2_NavCom_Parts.gif) navigations that will program the electric modules, 1 piece of this can be found in footlockers
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/a/ae/Metalcomponent.png) steel component,could be found in footlockers in random enco
Requirements
Science 250 pec.
Repair 150
Small guns 200
also (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:SuperToolKit.gif)
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:DeansElectronics.gif) + (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:ChemistryJournals.gif)
Schematic (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/f/f7/Vertipln.gif) from Enclave quest or maybe some other idea?
Additional tools:
Automated plant in Sierra
Vindicator
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/7/7a/Vminigun.gif)
Crafting:
3x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/3/38/Pump2.gif)
8x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/3/3b/Alloys2.gif)
6x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/a/a0/Metal_trash2.gif)
3x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/a/af/Alloys.gif)
2x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/9/99/Metal_trash.gif)
3x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/b/b5/V15comp.gif) hq el parts for motor navigation
2x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/7/72/Motor.gif) from footlockers
3x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/a/ae/Metalcomponent.png)
6x (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/4/4c/Steeltube.png) metal tubes from footlockers ("its six carbon-polymer barrels")
Requirements
science 250
Repair 180
Big Guns 200
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:SuperToolKit.gif)
(http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:DeansElectronics.gif) + (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/File:ChemistryJournals.gif)
Schematic (http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/images/f/f7/Vertipln.gif) from special enco lets say: you encounter crashed vertibird... and there should be in patrol body or enclave scientis body that schematic.Encounter could be found around Navvaro? And there also could be some critter so you won''t get that schem so easy...
Additional tools:
Automated plant in Sierra
4.7 caseless ammo could be crafted in sierra too,and the schematic will be in same body in same spacial special enco with vindicator schematic.
Most of the components you can get only from footlockers where will be only max 1-2 pieces.So you will need a long time to get craft some HQ gear.Also i bet there would be more interesting auctions and traders with components and HQ stuff...
I will be really glad to hear some voice of Devs here.Thanks alot.
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I would decrease a lot those reqs for crafting those, this just means lvling up another silly trash-alts.
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Why make crafting even harder? I don't think that it would help at all. It would only drive the few remaining players away from the server. I don't like the idea. -1
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Arbitrary, high requirements, but more importantly: it would just make the game have even less variety in weapons because everyone would grind the vindicator/gauss.
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requirements can be changed...everything is discutable...
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Arbitrary, high requirements, but more importantly: it would just make the game have even less variety in weapons because everyone would grind the vindicator/gauss.
You can already get gauss and vindi and where are all they? in lockers forever...
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Why make crafting even harder? I don't think that it would help at all. It would only drive the few remaining players away from the server. I don't like the idea. -1
Even harder? Whats so hard on craft? you science all farmed stuff or mine som components then you just go to mariposa without any gear or so cause no need it here,maybe against dogs?) and craft brand new one,that's really hard...
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You can already get gauss and vindi and where are all they? in lockers forever...
Actually, my friend uses his Gausses and Vindicator for Enclave hunting. And also, stop triple posting.
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Actually, my friend uses his Gausses and Vindicator for Enclave hunting. And also, stop triple posting.
Enclave hunting with vindicator mh,that sounds like a good bollox,please tell me from where he got that much ammo that he can spend on PVE?...
btw i was reacting to different comments so stop telling me what i should do or why i shouldn't...
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You can already get gauss and vindi and where are all they? in lockers forever...
Yes, a lot of people just store them in fear of losing them currently. Well, some Gauss pistols are certainly used in pvp, but the vindi is surely much rarer. But the point I was making was that adding these weapons in their current state as readily available and grind-able would just make people feel they have to take the time to craft these to be able to compete, and other types wouldn't be used. Also, there's simply no fun for majority of the population to have to grind footlockers to get materials.
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Yes, a lot of people just store them in fear of losing them currently. Well, some Gauss pistols are certainly used in pvp, but the vindi is surely much rarer. But the point I was making was that adding these weapons in their current state as readily available and grind-able would just make people feel they have to take the time to craft these to be able to compete. Also, there's simply no fun for majority of the population to have to grind footlockers to get materials.
But with that point more people would serach for footlockers and they will looking foward to finds some components that they need also it means that more people will encounter each other in those encounters while searching a footlocker.If there would be a way to craft those weapons people wouldn't be so afraid to loose 1 cause they could craft another later...
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Perhaps some components could be found in bookcases or desks in random enco,not only in footlockers...
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1527/screen20130528180211.jpg)
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Actually, my friend uses his Gausses and Vindicator for Enclave hunting. And also, stop triple posting.
Yeah, especially when there are 2 vindicators on server, nice troll post.
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Easy?! You call that easy?! Just to mske one set of ma2 is a logistic nightmare taking 30 minutes!
No thsnx.
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Easy?! You call that easy?! Just to mske one set of ma2 is a logistic nightmare taking 30 minutes!
No thsnx.
You're noob.
That's all.
Everything in this game is so easy, you can obtain tons of sets of hi-tier items in just some days, and be able to PVP, only thing you need is brain.
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You're noob.
That's all.
Everything in this game is so easy, you can obtain tons of sets of hi-tier items in just some days, and be able to PVP, only thing you need is brain.
I must agree with wolf,underground if you would use brain you will craft ma mk.2 in 2minutes...
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Enclave hunting with vindicator mh,that sounds like a good bollox,please tell me from where he got that much ammo that he can spend on PVE?...
I don't know where he got the 4.7mm but I know he has maybe 5,000 2mm ec.
btw i was reacting to different comments so stop telling me what i should do or why i shouldn't...
Have you never heard of the quote button? Moron...
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I don't know where he got the 4.7mm but I know he has maybe 5,000 2mm ec.Have you never heard of the quote button? Moron...
I heared,and it isn't your business when or where i should use it and also u aren't a proper person to warn me about this so stfu and write coments that have point...
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I heared,and it isn't your business when or where i should use it and also u aren't a proper person to warn me about this so stfu and write coments that have point...
Before you try to insult me you should try to learn English. And my comment had much more of a point then yours. So please, lets try to stay on topic now. My friend said he got the 4.7mm a long time ago from an auction on the forum, and he collects 2mm EC. There ya go ;D
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Before you try to insult me you should try to learn English. And my comment had much more of a point then yours. So please, lets try to stay on topic now. My friend said he got the 4.7mm a long time ago from an auction on the forum, and he collects 2mm EC. There ya go ;D
And whats the point of this? Stop spamming this topic and go farm enclave with your friend and with vindicator...
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Yeah, especially when there are 2 vindicators on server, nice troll post.
2? more that 2, i have one.
Ok , this suggestion, is nice. But like always, GM's wil ignore it.
Its not the goal to do the craft harder, but to have an other way to have vindicators, gauss pistol, etc...
Because all PVP player is here bored to always plays with avenger, or gatlings, and gauss are too much rare.
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2? more that 2, i have one.
Ok , this suggestion, is nice. But like always, GM's wil ignore it.
Its not the goal to do the craft harder, but to have an other way to have vindicators, gauss pistol, etc...
Because all PVP player is here bored to always plays with avenger, or gatlings, and gauss are too much rare.
First one who get it what was about this suggestion...
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I think that reintruducing high tier weaponry isn`t good idea. I like it as it now - elite weapon being really elite, being considred as a real treasure, something that is worth a lot.
We shoud balance existing weapon, add special perk to each of them, make them work in their own unique way, add some few but thinked through weapon for example grenade launcher.
We shoud make sure that each weapon is obtainable in several ways, for example Gatling shoud be obtainable in other place than Enclave, it shoud be reward as some high tier quest.
We shoud make thievery balanced, not totally useless but semi usefull. We shoud balance caps gaining by either nerfing slavers or by boosting gecko skin hunting or other activietes.
Caves need to be redone, solid knowledge of them shoud be added, clear information how to get Alien Blaster woud be nice.
Cats Paw and Green condoms shoud spawn in shops(most important part of this post!)
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I think that reintruducing high tier weaponry isn`t good idea. I like it as it now - elite weapon being really elite, being considred as a real treasure, something that is worth a lot.
We shoud balance existing weapon, add special perk to each of them, make them work in their own unique way, add some few but thinked through weapon for example grenade launcher.
We shoud make sure that each weapon is obtainable in several ways, for example Gatling shoud be obtainable in other place than Enclave, it shoud be reward as some high tier quest.
We shoud make thievery balanced, not totally useless but semi usefull. We shoud balance caps gaining by either nerfing slavers or by boosting gecko skin hunting or other activietes.
Caves need to be redone, solid knowledge of them shoud be added, clear information how to get Alien Blaster woud be nice.
Cats Paw and Green condoms shoud spawn in shops(most important part of this post!)
Weapons would be never balanced cause of dynamic situations...
And about elite weapons,whats their point when nobody uses them,only have them in locker?...
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Then we shoud add more places where such weapons coud be used. Something like Caravan Quest from Gunrunners or Stranded Ship.
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You're noob.
That's all.
Everything in this game is so easy, you can obtain tons of sets of hi-tier items in just some days, and be able to PVP, only thing you need is brain.
I must agree with wolf,underground if you would use brain you will craft ma mk.2 in 2minutes...
If you say "Gunrunners" then spare me. You can't get into the gunrunners.
SAD and Mariposa's already hard enough, and I still can't get to Toxic Caves. No need to make it impossible.
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If you say "Gunrunners" then spare me. You can't get into the gunrunners.
SAD and Mariposa's already hard enough, and I still can't get to Toxic Caves. No need to make it impossible.
If you can't kill some dogs, after month or two playing there, yes you're whiny noob, that only trashes forum with useless posts, with more grammar errors than me.
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You can get into the gunrunners factory. I am working on getting my karma back up to 900 as we speak.
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If you can't kill some dogs, after month or two playing there, yes you're whiny noob, that only trashes forum with useless posts, with more grammar errors than me.
I could get past the dogs at level 1. In fact, I did..... And got pke'd in the back while fucking with the computer.
Strangely, he didn't search my body. (I forgot his name a long time ago, didn't even really care at the time.)
You can get into the gunrunners factory. I am working on getting my karma back up to 900 as we speak.
Good for you. I can't. By the time I can run another qquest for them, I've already lost the karma I had with them.
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You aren`t forced to do delivery quest. If you`re afraid of being PK`ed just use Serra - nobody craft there besides one person i know.
Plus you`ll get some ammo from turrets as a bonus.
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Can't even get close enough to thd turrets to see the, much less kill them.
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Long range weapons motherlover, even heard of them?
Turrents range is shorter than Sniper Rifle, Assault Rifle or Laser Rifle.
First you`re loggin in with one alt kill the turrets, then log in on crafter run to the workbench then exit quickly before respawn. If you`re planned your crafter good you can do it with even one character.
Risk is marginal and time consumption is minimal too.
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Good for you. I can't. By the time I can run another quest for them, I've already lost the karma I had with them.
So you are able to do it like once per 2-3 days?
Yet, xsarq is right, Sierra is pretty easy place for any long ranged weapon. Actually it's even easy to confront those turrets. They do weak damage.
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Where is Sierra anyway? I tried to speak to Travellers but they didnt said anything.
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instead of mordering and enslaving poor hermits try to spoke to them at least once :)
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First you`re loggin in with one alt kill the turrets, then log in on crafter run to the workbench then exit quickly before respawn. If you`re planned your crafter good you can do it with even one character.
Hmmmm.... hadn't thought of that.
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Good for you. I can't. By the time I can run another qquest for them, I've already lost the karma I had with them.
How long do you play per day?
You need not much more than 2 hours of playtime a day. First action after login: Do the gunrunner package, then do whatever else you do and then last action after 2 hours do the gunrunner package again. It will be a while until you have the 1000 rep, but it will certainly not go down. Once you reached the 1000 you can do the quest once a day – maybe after an extensive crafting session – and you're good.
Yes, it's a chore, but you'll have the safest adv wb available. Safest does not mean 100% safe of course *cough*thieves*cough* ;)
As for Mariposa:
My experience there so far is that 90% of the time there's no one else, soo i guess you had just bad luck getting killed.
Sierra:
I don't like how it has been hidden. If it wasn't on the wiki, who the f would have the idea to talk to npcs (hermit) in random encounters???
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How long do you play per day?
You need not much more than 2 hours of playtime a day. First action after login: Do the gunrunner package, then do whatever else you do and then last action after 2 hours do the gunrunner package again. It will be a while until you have the 1000 rep, but it will certainly not go down. Once you reached the 1000 you can do the quest once a day – maybe after an extensive crafting session – and you're good.
Yes, it's a chore, but you'll have the safest adv wb available. Safest does not mean 100% safe of course *cough*thieves*cough* ;)
As for Mariposa:
My experience there so far is that 90% of the time there's no one else, soo i guess you had just bad luck getting killed.
Sierra:
I don't like how it has been hidden. If it wasn't on the wiki, who the f would have the idea to talk to npcs (hermit) in random encounters???
About sierra,why not? it is even in wiki that you need to talk to hermit that is around...nothing else nothing less...
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As to the location of seirra.......
It's just north on new reno. Small green circle.
It's strange that people are having trouble finding it..... no one ever told me where it was..... a glitch? Maybe I should chsnge my name to vanellopr von schweetz...... ???
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Interval between doing Gunrunners delivery is probably closer to 1 hour than 2. I didn`t tested that yet but quest information on wiki requires huge overhaul.(for now i`m focusing on traders will do too quests too but they need to wait.)
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About sierra,why not? it is even in wiki that you need to talk to hermit that is around...nothing else nothing less...
It was not a problem for me finding it.
http://fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/Sierra
I just think it is kind of a lost location due to its covert nature. Not all players inform themselves thoroughly on wiki or forum, and a lot don't bother getting the location at all I think. Apart from the advanced workbench and 5 or 6 turrets to shoot, what else does it offer?
Oh yeah and some robots inside..