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Other => Closed Beta => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Winter 2011/2012 => Topic started by: Rascal_ on December 30, 2011, 11:44:25 pm
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Now the situation is that if You die inside encounter where You drove in by a car, You can still see that encounter after coming from respawn. I cant see any logical explanation for that, but ofcourse it wouldnt bother me if some players werent using it as an exploit.
two examples:
1. In Turn-base PvP they are using it as a "taxi" back to the fighting arena after they die inside.
Lets describe it more precisly - some tb gang finds enemies in TB so the first person inside is sending /help requiest to other gang members.
At least one of them is driving inside the red dot (help signal) and even if he got killed then immediately ho go back to his base when his also dead (already re-equipped) players are waiting for him. They go together on taxi character also very often using another second car and go back inside the encounter.
The game mechanics works that way that encounter is closed after 10 minutes and noone can enter, also if You die the red sginal dot is disappearing so You cant re-enter. The yellow car dot exploit ruins those 2 mechanics allowing some cheater proxy players to unlimited reinforcments in TB battlefield. I was facing such enemies multiple times here is one example from today:
SCREENS --> http://imgur.com/a/2OSYv
3 cars inside total, 3 waves of reinforcments. We killed 8 hungarians in total (me + Dorian) but they were still coming and coming and we got out of stims and ammunitons so we need to left after antoher wave of reinforcments came inside encounter.
2. Mercs traps in RT - mercleaders are always using cars.
If they die they can always go back from respawn to their mercs "parked" safely in yellow car dot encounter.
If You gona remove this glitch it will be another step to block the RT mercs insta-death traps on wasteland.
Here is my suggested REMEDY (if You dont consider seeing Your car after death as something not logic and want to keep that in the game to make usuall players - not exploiting it -game easier):
I dont know if it is possible from scripting side but:
- create an exception in seeing car after death mechanise -> that if in the encoutner You drive in by car, during Your death - is any other player , then You dont see that encounter after death That would solve both exploits
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because when you die on encounter by npc or fail trap you have chance to gat your car back. sometimes i got killed by npcs and i got tons in my trunk and i dont want to loose it. if you are going non preapered to tb fight well it isnt those guy problem and when tb is on you have higher chance to kill them because they are in on big swarm.
there was a time when parked car was marked red and everyone could see it.
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because when you die on encounter by npc
if Your ekhem* newbie and die in that way its only your falt and You should pay the consequences - therefore You will be more careful next time, in my whole FO gaming I lost car like that ONCE :F
because when you die on [...] fail trap you have chance to gat your car back
Noone on this server want Your RT cheat-like traps so if You fail in setting one You should pay all the consequences - loosing Your car and mercs. When players are insta-dead by falling into Your trap its ok ? and if You fail with setting Your trap You want second chance ? logic thinking mode on please
if you are going non preapered to tb fight well it isnt those guy problem
Your kidding me ? I was unprepared ? I and my friend killed 8 enemies shoot something around 250 223. ammo from lsw eating 8 superstims. There are carry limit in this game You know about that ? They have advantage they can "prepare" 3 or more times (wave after wave)
you have higher chance to kill them because they are in on big swarm.
You cant kill any single TB BA LSW burster in 2 bursts from LSW (only if You got lucky and get critical shot), dmg is smaller if spreading into few players and moreover Car is a great tactic protection from fire in most cases. So again you are wrong.
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omg...it isnt bug and it inst place for this. devs please close this topic. dude please post this somewhere else but not in cbt sheet.
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bla bla moar. This is in a right place - it appears still in CBT so I need to report it, therefore maybe devs could fix that before wipe happens.
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If I am not wrong, there was reported a bug like this one: http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=12790 Also, seems like it was fixed in the end.
- Car locations no longer forgotten on death, but see extra note.
from Changelog 19/12/2010 (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=12019.msg99130#msg99130)
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nope Your reffering to something else read more carefuly
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How about this: you will always get to choose whether or not you want to go in an encounter where there is a car? This way nobody would ever involuntarily drop in a car-merc trap or tb-encounter with a car. You could even go there with your own car and keep coming back until you run out of gear.
Plus another change: you can't turn a radiomessaged location into a car-location. You have to ditch your car elsewhere and then go in by foot.
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come on...this is just a game...it is about fight and fun...not loot
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come on...this is just a game...it is about fight and fun...not loot
If it's just a game, then you surely won't mind these changes Rascal suggested taking place.
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come on...this is just a game...it is about fight and fun...not loot
Yes exactly, but the fun is when the skill determins who wins, not cheating or using exploits. Loot is important in the early/middle stage of the session, now before the wipe it doesnt really makes a differance.
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what exploits? you are just crying noob...i lost devs fix this because i cant go back to my dot and they can...;(
you can also go bac to that dot if you send and your friend /hh
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Rage master, you sound more noobish to me than Rascal_.
You sound like: " i like this exploit, devs, please let it as it is, pwning nubs is more fun this way"
This is CBT and is not about "fun by exploiting". Bugs and exploits are meant to be reported.
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lizard 1rst of all this is rubbish topic, this isnt bug! when someone put trap with car he risk he can lost it because he hasnt got idea who will go in, 2nd you need at least 3-4min before you and your friends can come back to that trap so winning team has time to set a trap in your car dot, you can call your friends on radio and leave 1 taxi on wm who can see this so you can also go back after death.
i am not playing in tb but when i was i didnt cry on forum and demand from devs to change fo mechanics because i died and i lost my stuff. same i saw some shit when some pks killed hub old towns mines or gunner and they were killing everyone who was going in, normal player would just call his friends and kill them but some crying babies sended requesthelps to tell gms "gm they killed me in protected place, please punish them"...1rst of all try to deal with it yourself...
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How about this: you will always get to choose whether or not you want to go in an encounter where there is a car? This way nobody would ever involuntarily drop in a car-merc trap or tb-encounter with a car. You could even go there with your own car and keep coming back until you run out of gear.
invest more in outdoorsman skill ;]
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You should be able to see the "yellow dot" when you walk/run out of the encounter. But when you die in that map, you shouldn't be able to see it.
This way we can still leave our cars near cities before entering, use "car tents", etc., but not exploit this for lame TB spider web traps.
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well said
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Rascal there's one thing for you to consider: when you plan to fight those guys who made the encounter it's your decision. Seeing you're there with some sort of tb powerbuild you could just leave the encounter. There is no official game mode called "Turn based encounter combat" with specific rules like TC might have so we can't certainly tell what's balanced, fair or unjust. Moreover, it's possible to entirely turn off TB so you will never fall in that encounter.
i am not playing in tb but when i was i didnt cry on forum and demand from devs to change fo mechanics because i died and i lost my stuff. same i saw some shit when some pks killed hub old towns mines or gunner and they were killing everyone who was going in, normal player would just call his friends and kill them but some crying babies sended requesthelps to tell gms "gm they killed me in protected place, please punish them"...1rst of all try to deal with it yourself...
Just a note, Rascal is one of the top tb players in obt so best not make vague guesses about his intentions to make this thread. To me it seems he wants to improve the quality of tb combats, favouring tactical decisions over spamming alts over and over again.
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"Personal note":
I've entered TB encounter, called for back up (1 CH). Two of my friends entered. Enemies started to enter. Our sniper appeared in BAD place, so he was already dead. We ran to the cover and started the fight. First car appeared (~1 person can return after death). After few rounds another showed up (Hummer). I've run out of ammo and stimpacks - picked up ammo, but couldn't find any stims in piles after enemies. I looted BA while no enemy was visible from my position. Third car appeared (encounter was surely closed then - probably 3 or more chars could return to the encounter after death in any time and reequipped). I've decided to fall back - fully equipped enemy still coming and coming. My friend after turn of advance pulled back as well.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2e34cop_th.jpg) (http://i40.tinypic.com/2e34cop.jpg)
I've seen about 5 nicknames of enemy. But we killed at least 8 of them. I've seen 3 cars on map at the end.
My opinion: It's clearly an exploit of feature - the one that you can fight back for your car - should not be used to gain advantage of reenter after death possibility, when encounter is closed.
Proposed solution:
1. Yellow dot for car should appear only when you enter by accident. Neither entering red dot (call for help), nor entering detected encounters.
2. Yellow dot for car should appear only when you enter by accident or enter detected npc encounters. Neither entering red dot (call for help), nor entering detected encounters with player only.
3. Yellow dot for car should appear only when you enter by accident or intentionally, but not when you're entering red dot (call for help).
+ optional/4. Yellow dot for car should disappear when death occurred 2 times.
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so what? you were swarmed...nothing special.
and many people use cars as car-tent to fast reequip.
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so what? you were swarmed...nothing special.
and many people use cars as car-tent to fast reequip.
You, humans, are ignorant.
Logic:
1. feature?->success(people like it)?->leave it.
feature?->fail(people don't like it)?->change it/remove it.
2. bug?->fix it.
3. exploit?->unsportsmanlike significant disadvantage?->fix it/forbid it.
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Well beyond the whole Exploit and such, It sounds like you had one interesting Battle, I wouldent even last that long into the fight, Cheers man =P
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any feedback from devs ?
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nothing will change. i dont want to loose my car tents just beacuse you lost tb fight.
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if You are out ablity to read - dont write please