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Title: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Trokanis on August 20, 2012, 09:18:27 am
I'm sorry, I normally want to give the Dev's the benefit of the doubt, they are trying, but I just can't understand the need or the feelings behind nerfing Shit shoveling.  I thought it was a novel idea to have the XP scale for levels, made a fair amount of sense, and the brahmins for some reason being raging lunatics and charging you for merely cleaning up their shit, ok that was sorta funny the first few times.  But the fact that they charge you from the other side of the pen, or from right next to you, combined with more than one charging you at the same time making you be knocked down for more than 10 seconds is just not right.  Now they also take hp away every time you get knocked over, so if you're unlucky enough to be level 1 and not get out of the way fast enough you could lose a fair amount of HP in one of the multi-Brahmin pens.  I'm just not seeing any good from that change.  I see a lot more annoyance and redundancy to an already tedious task.  I understand the want behind having it be more than just click shovel, click shovel.  Like I said the XP thing great idea, and maybe them knocking you over could be funny if it didn't happen EVERY time you shovel a single pile of Shit, and in many pens it is every time, but hp loss too, when your only defense is being quick on the mouse, and pray you don't lag, nah I'm sorry I just don't agree.

I know that the people behind this change are spreading their wings some, and trying new things, but sometimes you just have to accept that not all ideas will work in game vs. on paper.  I am not going to say it was a stupid idea, I just feel IMHO we could live with it being toned down, and the damage thing removed, maybe if we could hit the Brahmins back to discourage them being raging psychos, but even that's a stretch.

P.S.  Fix Repairing please!
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 20, 2012, 09:39:25 am
Quote from: Trokanis on August 20, 2012, 09:18:27 am
I am not going to say it was a stupid idea...

I thought this was a stupid idea when it was stated that they might implament this feature. Glad to see you proved my point that this is more of an annoyance to players than anything worth while. There is better things to do to get past those first few levels I suggest crafting guns and ammo then go hunt geckos for pelts than wasting time with shit shoveling.

But you know its just another pointless feature to make players react like this...

Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Bego on August 20, 2012, 10:12:05 am
It's actually a very good feature, if you exp on shit shoveling you really do deserve to get your ass kicked.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 10:20:41 am
The way the brahmin react will be tweaked to make it less about monkey agility.
But actually it might be made even more difficult.

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they charge you from the other side of the pen

No they don't, only those 5 or less hexes from the poop might get agitated.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Crovax on August 20, 2012, 12:01:57 pm
I used it to level a 1 strength character to level 3 recently and i have to say it was good for that purpose, but i agree its a bit much with the cows i was taken to 2hp by them at level 2 i think and could have easily died. I like the feature quite a bit though it helped a ton especially for a low strength alt with no charisma etc.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: racoon on August 20, 2012, 01:03:09 pm
calm down, devs just decided this feature was most important right now ;). i think its so cool i feel like bear grylls surviving in brahmin pen.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: foonlinecurious on August 20, 2012, 05:53:59 pm
It is kind of lame, on top of the fact that you can get caps faster by mining ore, and xp faster by killing pig rats, and on top of the fact that shoveling shit was demeaning already it really didn't need a nerf.
but my character doesnt shovel shit, i do the above said activities for caps, and xp.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 06:20:25 pm
Quote from: foonlinecurious on August 20, 2012, 05:53:59 pm
It is kind of lame, on top of the fact that you can get caps faster by mining ore, and xp faster by killing pig rats

It's good that you stay away from this feature because it's not made for you.

It's not supposed to be equal in effectiveness with other things.
It's not supposed to be farmed to death by players who can do other things.

It's supposed to be a feature for level 1-2 players without items, alts, friends, know how.
Or people who don't use alts and therefore have harsher start with each character,
to get money for a ticket for example.

It's supposed to help get a first level and a couple caps and move on.
People with 75% speech on forum who complain that it's not good enough clearly miss the point.

Not every feature is for every player. No, I won't make it Trokanis-friendly so he can faster
farm safe caps from the feature which is made as the last resort for total newbies.
The only reason you find brahmin annoying is because you try to farm thousands of caps on it.
Stop thinking about your own interest for a moment and look at the game as a whole. Thank you.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Killer Rabbit on August 20, 2012, 06:45:26 pm
Make poo toxic at lvl 5+ :) and radiated on lvl 12+ :)
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 07:44:30 pm
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if it didn't happen EVERY time you shovel a single pile of Shit

Also, they knock you out every single pile of shit only if you suck in shit shoveling.
Which might be another hint to try something else.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: falloutdude on August 20, 2012, 07:45:39 pm
if this new shit shoveling was supposed to be for noobs at lvl 1-2 then why would you make cows attack them? wtf were you thinking? real noobs will end up just dieing from this. so now they have to worry about pks,theifs, and cows killing them in a guarded town. good job making a noobs life harder.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 07:49:49 pm
Quote from: falloutdude on August 20, 2012, 07:45:39 pm
if this new shit shoveling was supposed to be for noobs at lvl 1-2 then why would you make cows attack them? wtf were you thinking? real noobs will end up just dieing from this.

Only if they are morons and keep shoveling until they are dead.
If they are morons, it's OK if they die.

Also it's not that hard to avoid brahmin. You just have to try do it to realize that.
And not clean poop that is very close to them.

I will be changing it to make it less pure mouse agility dependent (but not easier).

I have yet to see a dead newbie though.
I only see whining long time players who would like to farm caps effortlessly in safe locations.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: falloutdude on August 20, 2012, 07:54:33 pm
Quote from: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 07:49:49 pm
Only if they are morons and keep shoveling until they are dead.
If they are morons, it's OK if they die.

ok i want you to think about this, a noob gets attacked by a cow, noob thinks cow is a hostile creature and can kill it for exp and such. attacks cow and gets murdered by guards. this will become a common mistake by noobs.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 07:56:32 pm
Quote from: falloutdude on August 20, 2012, 07:54:33 pm
ok i want you to think about this, a noob gets attacked by a cow, noob thinks cow is a hostile creature and can kill it for exp and such. attacks cow and gets murdered by guards. this will become a common mistake by noobs.

Brahmin knocks you once and goes back and you are warned by pen owner that they can be nervous.
You don't have to be a genius to grasp how it works.

In the worst case you will learn how it works after the first mistake. You make it once and won't make
it anymore. I haven't seen any newbie complaining though, only long time players who would like to
farm caps effortlessly.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Eternauta on August 20, 2012, 08:03:26 pm
Quote from: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 07:49:49 pm
I have yet to see a dead newbie though.
I only see whining long time players who would like to farm caps effortlessly in safe locations.

This is quite right, imo. The fact that brahmins attack shovellers forces these to leave the tent after a while, which avoids "one bloosewt gets all" situation, not entirely of course, but still works that way. Of course, players can team up and FA each other or something, but players who already have the correct mix of team mentality and metagaming are ready to do something harder and more profitable than shovelling shit.

Shovelling shit is an useless feature for non-noobs, that is why there is so much whining against this, imho.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: foonlinecurious on August 20, 2012, 08:12:00 pm
Exactly, shit shoveling was barely worth it as it was, as i said more profitable to mine, more xp to kill rats, or even find flowers and make powders for 3 xp a piece woot! both still way faster than shoveling shit.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Tomowolf on August 20, 2012, 08:31:55 pm
Quote from: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 07:56:32 pm
In the worst case you will learn how it works after the first mistake. You make it once and won't make
it anymore. I haven't seen any newbie complaining though, only long time players who would like to
farm caps effortlessly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdMfqiRugxQ
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: DeputyDope on August 20, 2012, 08:44:19 pm
Quote from: Tomowolf on August 20, 2012, 08:31:55 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdMfqiRugxQ

not funny.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 20, 2012, 10:04:29 pm
Jovanka B is just going to defend her idea and argue for every good reason why it should stay and call us whiners and that we want effortless cap making. There is no use trying to convince her other wise.

But I agree with falloutdude and maybe I was harsh to jovanka when I said this was a bad idea, but this is not something a noob needs to go through. They well suffer for the rest of their career if they decide to stick with the game at least make the friendly noob activity FRIENDLY. They well quit the game when they die by the brahmin and they well make the mistake of attacking them back. They will get killed by guards or they may be clueless and not because they are stupid, but because they don't know how to play the game yet. Its not being an idiot its called somebody who hasn't played the game yet and doesn't know any better yet.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Swinglinered on August 20, 2012, 10:37:50 pm
Finally! A use for Animal Friend (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Animal_Friend)!

The Perk that lets you shovel shit in peace!

Also- Expert Excrement Expediter should occur after 2000+ poops shoveled, and have some kind of special bonus, like a crafting option that allows making "special" Molotovs from Brahmin shit.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Stration on August 20, 2012, 11:06:40 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/r09y6b.png)
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: _Youkai_ on August 20, 2012, 11:14:50 pm
Quote from: Stration on August 20, 2012, 11:06:40 pm
...
Seems legit.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Stration on August 20, 2012, 11:33:51 pm
Quote from: _Youkai_ on August 20, 2012, 11:14:50 pm
Seems legit.
It is legit.

By the way, I forgot to add that you should be wearing CA mk2 when you're shoveling - it has the shortest shoveling animation of all armors.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 11:40:08 pm
I'm not going to reveal full brahmin ramming into shoveler mechanics, but I can say that 1 ST in this case is not optimal.

Also you should put more points in LK, there will be less chance to slip on poop (yes I did implement such occurrences too).

Overall, noob build.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Rascal on August 20, 2012, 11:45:41 pm
hahahaha pwnd xD
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Stration on August 20, 2012, 11:50:49 pm
Quote from: JovankaB on August 20, 2012, 11:40:08 pm
Overall, noob build.
You are only saying that to discourage players from using this unstoppable shoveling machine build.


Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Swinglinered on August 21, 2012, 02:39:48 am
Powergaming the Poop.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: foonlinecurious on August 21, 2012, 02:43:36 am
Question:
how many people actually bother doing this?
as i said before, faster xp, and caps can be had elsewhere.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: ronillon on August 21, 2012, 02:57:28 am
The more i hear about it, im thinking i might as well try it. Might be fun.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 03:16:26 am
Stration, they still hit you in sneak, I was trolling and gathering brahmin shit to throw all over towns on my sneaker. My sneaker was still getting knocked down by brahmins.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:06:14 am
Cool story. I think I'm going to get rid of the red outline shits somehow. Anyway...
Mindless clicking poops for caps won't be back. If anything, it will get more challenging (but more profitable
for real newbies in some way, eg some shitty weapon prizes). As long as I see some newbies shoveling your
arguments are invalid. It's supposed to be the last resort for people who start and don't know anything better.
Doesn't mean that it should be free caps for people who have too much time in life and can click 1000 times.
And it doesn't mean that it should be completely effortless and completely without any risk even if you act
like an idiot and keep doing thing that harms you until you are dead. It's for people who don't know the game
not for idiots.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: falloutdude on August 21, 2012, 07:32:07 am
Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:06:14 am
As long as I see some newbies shoveling yourarguments are invalid. And I do.
do you camp all shit shoveling areas with gm alt to watch noobs (not really newbies but guys with a new alt)
also do you really think 5 caps per shit is really a good way to get caps? if you do please play the fucking game and learn other faster ways to get caps. all you are doing is limiting another way for us to make caps and exp again giveing us players less variety in playing the game. i say again you devs need to play the game and learn wtf is really going on and how to make the game better not more ways to troll us.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Eternauta on August 21, 2012, 07:35:56 am
Quote from: falloutdude on August 21, 2012, 07:32:07 am

So reworking shit shovelling is useless, cos shit shovelling is useless. But at the same time it's negative because people won't shovel after the changes, giving players less variety? This sounds a bit contradictory. Just trolling you a bit, falloutdude, if you don't like shit shovelling just go get caps and xp in those better ways there are to do so.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 07:38:34 am
Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:06:14 am
Cool story. I think I'm going to get rid of the red outline shits. Anyway...
Mindless clicking poops for caps won't be back. If anything, it will get more challenging (but more profitable
for real newbies in some way, eg some shitty weapon prizes). As long as I see some newbies shoveling your
arguments are invalid. It's supposed to be the last resort for people who start and don't know anything better.
Doesn't mean that it should be free caps for people who have too much time in life and can click 1000 times.

No fun allowed can't throw brahmin shit to trash towns any more? Our arguements are perfectly valid you are the only who thinks brahmins knocking down shit shovelers is a grand idea, most see it as making noobs rage quit or doing something stupid that well trigger the guards to kill them.

Nope not allowed by jovanka standards to make caps with this horrible evil "brahmin shit abuse" or have any fun must be "realistic".

If you take away my ability to throw brahmin shit by removing red outline shit then you truly do not know anything about "fun" and have no sense of humor what-so-ever.

Quote from: Eternauta on August 21, 2012, 07:35:56 am
So reworking shit shovelling is useless, cos shit shovelling is useless. But at the same time it's negative because people won't shovel after the changes, giving players less variety? This sounds a bit contradictory. Just trolling you a bit, falloutdude, if you don't like shit shovelling just go get caps and xp in those better ways there are to do so.

I agree with everything falloutdude has wrote, the brahmin pens didn't need any changes what so ever it was fine the way it was. It is something that isn't broke that doesn't need to be fixed. Ever hear the saying if it ain't broke don't fix it?
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: falloutdude on August 21, 2012, 07:41:12 am
devs dont like fun only serious business.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:44:57 am
Quote from: falloutdude on August 21, 2012, 07:32:07 am
all you are doing is limiting another way for us to make caps and exp
I'm not limiting anything. As far as I'm concerned I was the one who made pens full of shits.

Quote from: falloutdude on August 21, 2012, 07:32:07 am
i say again you devs need to play the game
You should stop using "arguments" that fit in kindergarten and have nothing to do with the feature.
But just FYI I have been playing it since mid 2009, including this and previous session,
with multiple characters on levels 21+

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do you camp all shit shoveling areas with gm alt to watch noobs (not really newbies but guys with a new alt)
It's enough if I login and see someone with shovel in the pen.  If it's not newbies then it would mean it's still too good.
It's supposed to be last resort for someone who is clueless about other ways and has no other options. It's by design.
In fact pens could stay empty 99% of the time, I couldn't care less as long as they make it possible to get to level 2
and make a few hundred caps relatively easily with no support from other alts, items, players and no other knowledge.
The feature is not for you, so you can stop whining that "it's annoying" and move on.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Wipe on August 21, 2012, 07:48:40 am
Oh man, after more than year of repeating in every possible place that shovelling is pointless, same people makes rivers of tears after just a few minor changes. (http://fonline2238.net/~wipe/pics/index.php?cmd=image&sfpg=MjIzOC9SYW5kb20vKmhhcnNjaC5qcGcqNDg5YWM3MTQ5Mzk5ZGE1ODZiOGZhNTUyYmEzMDA2M2M)

Quote from: Ville on August 21, 2012, 07:38:34 am
No fun allowed
Quote from: Ville on August 17, 2012, 02:13:51 am
the joke is old man come up with something new please nobody finds this funny any more
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 07:50:38 am
Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:44:57 am
It's supposed to be last resort for someone who is clueless about other ways and has no other options. It's by design.
In fact pens could stay empty 99% of the time, I couldn't care less as long as they make it possible to get to level 2
and make a few hundred caps relatively easily with no support from other alts, items, players and no other knowledge.

If that is the case why do noobs need to be annoyed by brahmins knocking them down? I just do not see how this is really anything worth of value that is ground breaking or something just has to be changed. 

"Jovankas vision" uber realistic 2238 ::)

Go live in a russian nuclear test site if you want a realistic fallout.

Quote from: Wipe on August 21, 2012, 07:48:40 am
Oh man, after more than year of repeating in every possible place that shovelling is pointless, same people makes rivers of tears after just a few minor changes. (http://fonline2238.net/~wipe/pics/index.php?cmd=image&sfpg=MjIzOC9SYW5kb20vKmhhcnNjaC5qcGcqNDg5YWM3MTQ5Mzk5ZGE1ODZiOGZhNTUyYmEzMDA2M2M)

Such relevance to the topic post a quote of something I replied to kilgore trolling me which had nothing to do with any changes.

I actually haven't whined about any of the changes in the last 2 updates. I just think pissing off noobs with brahmins knocking them down is stupid. I am a rage gamer there is plenty of features that piss me off and other players and brahmins pens doesn't need to be added to the list. Make them quit before they even start or get anywhere is just something I don't see as being a good game feature. And its such abuse if veteran players shovel brahmin shit for caps ::)


Oh lets remove red outlined brahmin shit does it bother your children of atom friends that I throw brahmin shit every time they take redding?
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:57:41 am
Quote from: Ville on August 21, 2012, 07:50:38 am
If that is the case why do noobs need to
be annoyed by brahmins knocking them down?

The only annoyed people I see are those who try do things like this:

Quote from: Ville on August 21, 2012, 03:16:26 am
trolling and gathering brahmin shit to throw all over towns on my sneaker. My sneaker was still getting knocked down by brahmins.

Or somehow would like to become rich in the pens.

I believe it's not that annoying if you don't have anything and all you need is to level up once and get a few hundred caps for a start.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 07:59:54 am
Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:57:41 am
I think it's not that annoying if all you need is to level up once and get a few hundred caps for a start.
The only annoyed people I see are those who try do things like this:

Or somehow would like to become rich in the pens.

Oh so because you find it annoying I throw brahmin shit for lolz you remove it? Get revenge on da guy who pk'd me remove outlined brahmin shit? Maybe players think its funny and like to laugh? But nope it annoys 1 person who is a new developer must be removed ruin it for all!
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 08:01:48 am
No, but I don't see why I should care that it's harder for you to throw shits.
Also I have no idea who you are in game, except maybe the character with same name you use on forum if it's you.

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nope it annoys 1 person who is a new developer must be removed ruin it for all!

I don't see how whole towns covered in shit with pulsating outline is a good thing but your activity on server isn't a reason for any change in pens.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 08:18:02 am
Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 08:01:48 am
No, but I don't see why I should care that it's harder for you to throw shits.
Also I have no idea who you are in game, except maybe the character with same name you use on forum if it's you.

I don't see how whole towns covered in shit with pulsating outline is a good thing but your activity on server isn't a reason for any change in pens.

Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 07:06:14 am
Cool story. I think I'm going to get rid of the red outline shits somehow. Anyway...

I was replying to this. Unless some how you were refering to something else I would prefer to at least enjoy one thing that makes me laugh every time picking up brahmin shit by hand in pens (which are in pvp towns I might add) and throw it around it around in the PvP towns.

Look I do not blindly support every idea a developer comes up with, this game has made me rage alot and I mean alot. I just think brahmins knocking down people with the possibility to kill them is not something a noob would enjoy. You want to keep players around yes? As GN13 always say, that is a possible donator that you drove away because of a game feature that has the possibility to make somebody quit after playing the game for 2 minutes.

I think its hilarious a veteran player still shoveling brahmin shit for caps. I think the himulation of people claiming pro shoveling brahmin shit for caps is enough punishment than being annoyed and saying they shouldn't.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 08:23:10 am
Brahmin getting mad on picking up is a bug.

Anyway the red outline will go, one way or another.
It's just bad, it looks ugly and during events I had reports that it slows down client.


Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 08:23:10 am
I think its hilarious a veteran player still shoveling brahmin shit for caps. I think the himulation of people claiming pro shoveling brahmin shit for caps is enough punishment than being annoyed and saying they shouldn't.
I don't stop anyone from doing it.
I agree current way brahmin react is not optimal, it's WIP but it won't be pure "click and profit" again.
If you try to farm hundreds of shits quickly it will always annoy you I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 08:36:32 am
Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 08:23:10 am
Brahmin getting mad on picking up is a bug.

Anyway the red outline will go, one way or another.
It's just bad, it looks ugly and during events I had reports that it slows down client.

Since when was there brahmin shit at events? The events slow down the client because there is thousands of items laying around from people dying and nobody deletes them!

You just stated this annoys you and you want to remove it becasue YOU find it annoying. When well you realize that you aren't the only person who plays this? So because red outlined brahmin shit annoys you, and is something the average player could give a shit less about (no pun intended) you have to write some bull shit (no pun intended) that this slows down the client? Stack of 1,000 BB's slow down the client that is actually legitimate claim than 20-30 brahmin shit thrown around in towns for lolz.

You know how many people actually find this feature funny? And actually embrace this game that you can actually throw brahmin shit it is fucking hilarous it doesn't get old. People love to reverse steal brahmin shit in the inventory why take away the fun for others becuase you find it annoying?
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 08:46:53 am
Quote from: Ville on August 21, 2012, 08:36:32 am
Since when was there brahmin shit at events?
There are blockers which have the same red outline if they are visible.

Quote from: Ville on August 21, 2012, 08:36:32 am
YOU find it annoying
If it wouldn't be annoying you wouldn't be doing it. It's the definition of trolling.

It's ugly. It slows down client. It's annoying. And your arguments are invalid. For me it's end of topic.
Feel free to continue on your own.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 08:55:54 am
Quote from: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 08:46:53 am
There are blockers which have the same red outline if they are visible.
If it wouldn't be annoying you wouldn't be doing it. It's the definition of trolling.

It's ugly. It slows down client. It's annoying. And your arguments are invalid. For me it's end of topic.
Feel free to continue on your own.

And what is wrong with trolling? What is wrong with players wanting to have fun and make themselves laugh or other players? It doesn't take a genious to figure out its 1,000 of items laying around that lags up the events and not these outlined place holders. And you are a developer and think the cause is brahmin shit?

 My arguements are perfectly valid you are just stubborn and think your opinions are the only ones on the planet and the whole game revolves around the way you think. You are a new developer and just come on here and change the game to fit your needs and views not of the players. I still think you became a developer and GM just to troll everybody becuase they made you mad along the way in all honesty I think this.

Here you go just for you jovanka. Hope you find this annoying :D
(http://i46.tinypic.com/a11dn5.jpg)
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Wichura on August 21, 2012, 09:05:00 am
The Shovelgate srs case is srs.

This is almost as fun thread as Xoen's cow one. I wouldn't even imagine such simple feature making so much butthurt, whine, rage and so on.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: Ville on August 21, 2012, 09:10:56 am
Quote from: Wichura on August 21, 2012, 09:05:00 am
The Shovelgate srs case is srs.

This is almost as fun thread as Xoen's cow one. I wouldn't even imagine such simple feature making so much butthurt, whine, rage and so on.

Games should be about fun not butthurt whine and rage. Developers changing pointless things adding in useless ideas, and suggesting removing an item which some players find funny, but one amature developer finds trolling annoying and wants to remove any trolling isn't exactly the direction most would say is a good direction for a game that was once epic.

Fallout series was never a super realistic series it was a game filled with whitty humor, but obviously they want to break away from that and remove "fun" and anything players find "funny" and make it realistic ::)

In all reality oh well fuck it if there is brahmins knocking shit shovelers getting attacked by bramhins. I don't shovel shit anyways I just think its bad idea for noobs to be knocked down by brahmins. 

But suggesting to remove picking up brahmin shit which doesn't allow me to reverse steal brahmin shit and throw it all over town is an outrage. And then by further defending the arguement with complete lies that brahmin shit lags the events when 99% of players would know its the gear from dead players so it should be removed is bull shit. Any intellegant person who plays this game and read this post knows it bull shit. I am not manipulated easily and can smell the bull shit a mile away. Its obvious she is annoyed by something in game and wants to remove it for her own selfish reasons because she think its annoying is ludacris.
Title: Re: Nerf Brahmin shoveling, Really?!!?
Post by: JovankaB on August 21, 2012, 09:26:12 am
Covering towns with red outline is not my definition of fun.

No item should have always visible user interface element that can't be turned off.
Especially if it's animated and if item is worthless and can be spammed in hundreds.
And if the info the element provides is useless for 99% of people.

Before I touched the pens code they were pretty much useless for the last 2+ years.
I made getting a level and some caps easier not harder. Except for about 2 weeks when
it was too easy but I didn't mean it be like that, it was just WIP (and still is).

But in a short time you got used to it and now you think it's your right to have the
feature half-done because you like it for purpose of trolling? Give me a break.

OK, now I'm really locking it.