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Title: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 09, 2011, 01:33:44 pm
Hi,

It's usual 'last month' reminder. Fortunately, this time we only need ~60e more, cause we've saved some over time. I know you'd much rather have some fat update followed by the wipe, but things are what they are and time's running fast, rental period passes much faster than we're able to update.

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Thanks for your support!
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: EnergyForYou on August 09, 2011, 07:31:56 pm
Hmm that´s pitty.Because everyone wants to pay for wipe not for nothing...
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: runboy93 on August 09, 2011, 07:38:03 pm
Hmm that´s pitty.Because everyone wants to pay for wipe not for nothing...
Wipe is coming.. that is sure, but it happens when devs got all work done.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Mrgizmo on August 09, 2011, 08:15:44 pm
Wipe is coming.. that is sure, but it happens when devs got all work done.
yea yea yea IT'S ALL THE SAME BULLSHIT AND IT'S BAD FOR YA
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 09, 2011, 08:21:22 pm
yea yea yea IT'S ALL THE SAME BULLSHIT AND IT'S BAD FOR YA

Why so angry? We just ask for donations here, either help or remain calm.

And if people would rather pay for wipe than for server being live 24/7 then...well, we don't have p2w service so far:)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Graf on August 09, 2011, 08:40:04 pm
p2w abbreviation gets a new meaning in current situation. Normally it's "pay-to-win", but in this case it's "pay-to-wipe" ;D
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Luther Blissett on August 09, 2011, 09:18:26 pm
[...]Because everyone wants to pay for wipe not for nothing...

Surely it's the "continued existence of the server" rather than nothing?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Enzo on August 09, 2011, 10:59:16 pm
p2w abbreviation gets a new meaning in current situation. Normally it's "pay-to-win", but in this case it's "pay-to-wipe" ;D

you are completely wrong... the donations have never been anything else than pay-2-wait :D :D :D
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 09, 2011, 11:11:27 pm
you are completely wrong... the donations have never been anything else than pay-2-wait :D :D :D

You forgot about pay-to-whine ;)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: falloutdude on August 09, 2011, 11:34:54 pm
i will quote what ever gm/dev has been telling me for THE LAST 6 FUCKEN MONTHS.
quote: wipe is soon be patient , its soon , sooon , sooon i allready fuken told u what , for 6 months wtf where is it?
i doubt people will donate for nothing wipe/update is what we want not waiting for nothing for 6 months just to be told yes its soon again and again and again etc.
realse  a update am sure this is not hard to do. release some of the new quest or crafting system ... no updates for what 2 months? now come on give us something people are turning to other games now and many will stay there.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: runboy93 on August 09, 2011, 11:40:31 pm
This is just game.
No one force you to play it.
If you hate waiting why not take little break, before wipe and real action start?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Senocular on August 09, 2011, 11:58:13 pm
If the wipe is too much, release a list of done changes, new features for new era etc. Anything will do.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Wichura on August 10, 2011, 12:46:09 am
** FURY UNLEASHED **
Get a life. Yeah, behind firewall.
If the wipe is too much, release a list of done changes, new features for new era etc. Anything will do.
+1
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: falloutdude on August 10, 2011, 12:56:01 am
Get a life. Yeah, behind firewall

btw i dont play anymore because am bored. this is why am pissed. they been saying wipe is soon forever but its not bet its another 6 months. why dont they just wipe it now and when  rdy  wipe it again? it will be 6 months till then anyway but does not matter they wont wipe it till rdy. so as game is dieing and members are leaveing for diffrent game and better fonline servers and this one dies dont say i did not tell you it would happen.
even a tiny update or list of new features would be nice but nope nothing they tell us nothing and we see no  process. are you happy with this? but what ever i wont troll topic with things i think so lets leave it that wipe is needed soon not in 6 months and that devs need to share more details with us on things.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Rascal on August 10, 2011, 02:16:20 am
they could easily do wipe + some minor changes let people have fun for few moths and then launch "the big wipe" with fundamental changes onboard (lke domination mode i hope)

4 example devs are telling that worlmap speed gona be increased after wipe, why dont make Wipe now and increase it NOW (I know its just 1 fucking parametr in sdk files just 1 fucking parametr...), 4 sure u can easily find few other smaller things ready to be implemented /changed just NOW...


 but noooo we have to wait for some mythical, epic wipe with tons of changes thats gona twised around all we ve got here now... n/c... and meanwhile server gona die (just look at ur satistics)
I would like just to remember that its gona be 1 fucking year long session very soon (and that soon means true whats word soon should mean not "soon" from devs dictionary)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Eternauta on August 10, 2011, 02:33:56 am
Donating is just donating. Doesn't mean you are supposed to get something in return. Wipe or not, money is still needed to keep the server up and running, which is needed for wiping it.

The server might be wiped tomorrow, next week, next month, or next year. 100, 150 or 200 players might leave due to boredom, but it's all the same: this forum is full of "this game sucks without wipe, but i keep posting". The ones who bitch and whine today, will be back when the wipe is done. Their constant whining means they're still interested in the game, even if they're not active at the moment.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Josh on August 10, 2011, 06:40:11 am
People who leave the game go and look for new fonline games. When they release sweet 3d graphics and whatnot players will post pics of their awesome 3d fonline character. These pics will more likely than not be stumbled upon by the players who left the game and who also, more likely than not, have left the game they left it for. Thus the player base will make a rebound from new players and returnees.
@doomsday predictors: try to think beyond the 1st step :P
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Pong on August 10, 2011, 11:19:14 am
So i guess if wipe still not occurs it means some work remain in the to-do list. It's amazing to read people reproaching devs to don't sacrify enough of their own free time to this non-remunerating project. Theoretically the more the waiting is, the most major changes will occurs so it's all good right ? Like some people said, if you are bored just take a break and don't reproach some people to not work as fast as you would like to.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: AvengerA on August 10, 2011, 11:20:48 am
I donated last time as I believed that Wipe will come at summer.
However, game never changes. Bankers still said that they don't have any money.
These months I just login the game few times for bringing newbie to my bases....
Chinese player cannot read and write English well, and we must play with 300+ ping, but we still support this game because it is fun.
We planned to rejoin the game after the Wipe and try to advertise this game to new comers as many Chinese players are interested at Fallout Online. No update or Wipe at summer broke our plan purely, when a new player joins I must tell him the game will wipe soon so don’t keep too much equipment, and the system will have a big changes I can’t teach part of the game skills because it will be outdated.
However we will still keep patient for waiting as we know Devs are too busy.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Heckler Spray on August 10, 2011, 11:48:50 am
they could easily do wipe + some minor changes let people have fun for few moths and then launch "the big wipe" with fundamental changes onboard (lke domination mode i hope)

4 example devs are telling that worlmap speed gona be increased after wipe, why dont make Wipe now and increase it NOW (I know its just 1 fucking parametr in sdk files just 1 fucking parametr...), 4 sure u can easily find few other smaller things ready to be implemented /changed just NOW...

That's what they did last time, there was so minor changes that people got bored very quickly and left the game after few months.

But I tend to agree with the fact they should change few parameters to make the last resilients have some fun.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 10, 2011, 12:15:40 pm
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they could easily do wipe + some minor changes
But I tend to agree with the fact they should change few parameters to make the last resilients have some fun.

Yeah, well, we could even test more solutions that way, I agree.

Noted, for the future!
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bhubb on August 10, 2011, 01:27:48 pm
I chipped in, I really enjoy this game but it needs a wipe and if giving some of my money away helps then so be it.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Annoctatio on August 11, 2011, 07:37:21 am
I am quite new to FOnline, but I would gladly donate if I had a credit card. Even if the wipe wouldn't happen, I'd still donate. This awesome game can't be let fall on it's face. I am afraid that this is going to become money based game just like the others, only way to survive is to pay loads of money for extreme gear and stats, and without those you'll get raped by every single payer. That is complete bullshit, and that is why I want to donate.

I hope even one person here thinks just like I do.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: MACtic on August 11, 2011, 10:44:49 am
I am quite new to FOnline, but I would gladly donate if I had a credit card. Even if the wipe wouldn't happen, I'd still donate. This awesome game can't be let fall on it's face. I am afraid that this is going to become money based game just like the others, only way to survive is to pay loads of money for extreme gear and stats, and without those you'll get raped by every single payer. That is complete bullshit, and that is why I want to donate.

I hope even one person here thinks just like I do.

I hope not.

First of all this game can't become Pay To Play model or even Free to Play with microtransactions. It is a mod that uses copyrighted material therefore can't make money on it (many times said before).
Building on that your whole sentence is irrelevant. Doesn't even makes sense. You came up with this what you call "bullshit" idea of a caricature game model (called pay to win exaggeration) that only exist in your head. Going on from there you made a reference to a game you actually play to justify the reason for donating.

I know you will not understand what I just said but just try to think logically before posting because otherwise It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Fonline_Donate on August 11, 2011, 11:14:52 am
Lol scypior dont remove my posts you think that players will donate moneys because you remove all posts that contain criticism and the truth about your work and the server ? :D

You asked about donate few months ago and what you and your dream team give players?

Soon soon soon

It's fine as it is

Be patient

So now tell me and other players why we should donate ? to see big mega uber update like new color of robes or new trees in few encounters?

Pathetic
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 11, 2011, 11:20:34 am
Lol scypior dont remove my posts you think that players will donate moneys because you remove all posts that contain criticism and the truth about your work and the server ? :D

You asked about donate few months ago and what you and your dream team give players?
You seem to fail at understanding the base principles about those all donations. We were repeating it ad nauseam.

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So now tell me and other players why we should donate ? to see big mega uber update like new color of robes or new trees in few encounters?

I'm not telling anyone SHOULD. I'm asking the others who are more kind and helpful than you, for a small help.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Luther Blissett on August 11, 2011, 11:35:38 am
I don't really get the "do this or I won't donate" mentality. As far as I'm aware, asking for donating isn't for updates, or for anyone to do any work, but simply covering some of the expense of keeping the server running, so the volunteers who work on it don't have to pay for everything themselves, which seems pretty fair to me.

I donated simply to help the server "still be there" - update / wipe or not - essentially for the simple reason that "the game is still there" next time I want to play it.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Heckler Spray on August 11, 2011, 02:08:03 pm
Yeah, well, we could even test more solutions that way, I agree.

Noted, for the future!
I remember during the first months of the open beta, when we used to have our weekly features to test. People enjoyed it a lot, cause we felt like, you know, real beta testers.  ;)

Luther, actually most of people are complaining about the lack of info about the progress of the long awaited update, sometimes it can be frustrating to take part finacially in a work you only know a little.
As for me, I just trust the devs, but I understand people who don't, cause time flies...
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: jonny rust on August 11, 2011, 03:27:48 pm
seems like all this arguing could be ended with a compromise;

The annoyed Dev's give the annoyed gamers a bit of an update on whats going on,

The appeased gamers give the appeased Dev's some money.

(I realize this money doesn't go into Dev pockets, but it is one less headache for them)

hows that work for everyone?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 11, 2011, 03:29:29 pm
hows that work for everyone?

In some way we already started it (check yesterday's blog post), more to follow (I hope).
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Annoctatio on August 11, 2011, 08:53:26 pm
I hope not.

First of all this game can't become Pay To Play model or even Free to Play with microtransactions. It is a mod that uses copyrighted material therefore can't make money on it (many times said before).
Building on that your whole sentence is irrelevant. Doesn't even makes sense. You came up with this what you call "bullshit" idea of a caricature game model (called pay to win exaggeration) that only exist in your head. Going on from there you made a reference to a game you actually play to justify the reason for donating.

I know you will not understand what I just said but just try to think logically before posting because otherwise It just doesn't make sense.

Oh, maybe I made up a quite confusing and weird post. :D Sorry about that.

What I actually said: THIS GAME WOULD BE COMPLETE SHIT IF YOU HAD TO PAY REAL MONEY FOR POWER ARMOR basically. I was asking if anyone thinks like I do, that donating is purely donating, not buying. Donating is to give something without any requests or demands from the opposite person.

This is what they are doing right now. They accept donations but do not give anything back. It's excellent, and just how it has to be and how it is the best way.

I wrote a confusing message, sorry again. I just wanted a complete confirmation that this game will NOT become "Free to Play" or "Pay to Play" game, like World of Warcraft for an example. I quit playing it, because I did not like to pay for the actual game and some gametime.

Hope you forgive me for my confusing and obviously "hard-to-read" post. xD
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Luther Blissett on August 11, 2011, 09:07:35 pm
[...]Luther, actually most of people are complaining about the lack of info about the progress of the long awaited update, sometimes it can be frustrating to take part finacially in a work you only know a little.

That's quite understandable, yes. It's nice to know what's going on, what's planned and which suggestions are being looked at etc (may also stop the same suggestions appearing every week). Looks like they're making steps to address this though, which is very much welcomed.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Surf on August 11, 2011, 09:12:59 pm
The "we don't tell you what we're working on" schtick was originally created so that players don't whine all day on forum or discuss something to death which isn't even ingame yet. Seeing our community, I can understand why this path was chosen. As for me personally, I don't have much problems to share what I am working on, but then again I mostly do quest stuff, or sound/music and such, which isn't that much object to discuss thousands of pages about.

I do agree with scypior that there could be a tiny bit of more hindsight, but the recent blogpost was already a step in the right direction. I enjoy it much more to read about some backgrounds that are planned and how to develop them, than to see the naked point in our beloved to-do list. ;)

As for people trolling in here, it's always funny to see them crying over such minor stuff, dooming the server/game etc. but yet coming back and repeating the same old inanities like some broken loop. ;)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Hydro on August 12, 2011, 10:41:20 am
The "we don't tell you what we're working on" schtick was originally created so that players don't whine all day on forum or discuss something to death which isn't even ingame yet. Seeing our community, I can understand why this path was chosen. As for me personally, I don't have much problems to share what I am working on, but then again I mostly do quest stuff, or sound/music and such, which isn't that much object to discuss thousands of pages about.

I do agree with scypior that there could be a tiny bit of more hindsight, but the recent blogpost was already a step in the right direction. I enjoy it much more to read about some backgrounds that are planned and how to develop them, than to see the naked point in our beloved to-do list. ;)

As for people trolling in here, it's always funny to see them crying over such minor stuff, dooming the server/game etc. but yet coming back and repeating the same old inanities like some broken loop. ;)
(http://fraa.blox.pl/resource/181148triple_facepalm_super.jpg)
Even Hans did it!
This post is essence of behaviour of some mods/devs here. "We won't do anything, kiss our feets because we done server hurr,durr". I don't care too much about blog, but about developing. If there is no even list what are plans or what currently devs are working for, and not even date of wipe (soon isn't an answer). Things to do are also- they are plans that will be "soon" (in unknown future). About server doom- you know 150 people online when half of them are bots/multis is not good score...
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 12, 2011, 10:53:15 am
"We won't do anything, kiss our feets because we done server hurr,durr"

You said that.

Anyway, I think that this, and the other points were made here many, many times, I don't think anything new can be said in this regard. No need to repeat yourself, we will address many issues one way or another, but not because of that witty demotivational poster.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Hydro on August 12, 2011, 11:21:26 am
You said that.

Anyway, I think that this, and the other points were made here many, many times, I don't think anything new can be said in this regard. No need to repeat yourself, we will address many issues one way or another, but not because of that witty demotivational poster.
If those propositions were many times, so why no one made anything about it?
That qoute was just describing attitude of some people here (not, everyone, but units) and this time I will quote classic "It is fine as it is"


P.S I wanted to modify Surf's avatar to facepalm, but after second thought it would take too much time for me
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 12, 2011, 11:28:46 am
If those propositions were many times, so why no one made anything about it?

Ah, sometimes the easy stuff is the most hard one, sometimes it's hard to put everything together, oh damn, many, many factors. Not necesarily stubborness, you know;)

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P.S I wanted to modify Surf's avatar to facepalm, but after second thought it would take too much time for me

Oh c'mon, let's put an end to this. Direct attacks do not make *anything* better.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 19, 2011, 09:58:27 am
We're almost there! Only couple of euros(~10) left. C'mon:)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Heckler Spray on August 19, 2011, 11:39:48 am
It should be ok now.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 19, 2011, 11:52:10 am
Oh, damn. Thanks!
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: EnergyForYou on August 19, 2011, 12:20:31 pm
And now , make wipe  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Josh on August 19, 2011, 10:09:29 pm
I would like to donate but its not an English and I don't know if it accepts debit cards. BTW is it true that when your speech reaches 200 you are banned? How does speech go up?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on August 19, 2011, 10:24:04 pm
I would like to donate but its not an English and I don't know if it accepts debit cards. BTW is it true that when your speech reaches 200 you are banned? How does speech go up?

Need to change it some day. Well, it depends of the card I guess, for debt cards sometimes you need to activate additional 'internet payments' service. At least that was in my case in my bank.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on September 06, 2011, 09:34:33 am
Got good news (depending on what you've expected):

We've extended the rental period for next 3 months, got ~9e left, let's enjoy it a bit more and hope for a wipe!
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: tallset on December 13, 2011, 05:54:26 am
'hope'. More like welp.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Marko on December 13, 2011, 11:22:55 am
Delaying wipe is good. It filters out the spoiled whiners from those of us who truly appreciate the game. So take your time, devs! I hope it's not until at least Spring. I for one don't mind at all, and i look forward to more jerks quitting and leaving a higher ratio of the rest of us.

Meanwhile we're not paying for this game, people. So the devs cannot be held to any deadlines. Put more directly: the devs are not obligated to meet any deadlines. When they say "soon", that's the shortest way to say "stop asking". I mean really, we don't deserve to know anything about the development. We should be thankful this game exists, thankful there even is a dev blog, thankful there is a forum, thankful thankful thankful.

To my fellow appreciatives: hang in there and keep enduring all the childish complaining - the longer we endure it, the higher will be the appreciative-to-complainer ratio later. And to the whiners...i hear there is a nice Hello Kitty game out there. If you play it and you miss Fallout, then maybe submit a suggestion there to have Hello Kitty Rocket Launchers added or some such.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on December 13, 2011, 12:23:22 pm
Meanwhile we're not paying for this game, people. So the devs cannot be held to any deadlines. Put more directly: the devs are not obligated to meet any deadlines. When they say "soon", that's the shortest way to say "stop asking". I mean really, we don't deserve to know anything about the development. We should be thankful this game exists, thankful there even is a dev blog, thankful there is a forum, thankful thankful thankful.

To clarify a bit more, it's not like someone does not deserve something, those are a bit harsh words and I know many will object. Information about development is entirely different issue than abiding to deadlines.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: italian moustache on December 13, 2011, 12:39:42 pm
but all we want to know is when will be wipe...sooner than soon was hmmm 3months ago?;]
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: T-888 on December 13, 2011, 01:03:50 pm
but all we want to know is when will be wipe...sooner than soon was hmmm 3months ago?;]

I can give you a countdown , when pretty much all the CBT bugs are fixed along with minor changes , then you can hope one of the developers will announce wipe officially , now wait because it's soon ..... ummm close. :)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: ThePhoenix77 on December 13, 2011, 01:15:33 pm
I for one wouldn't mind if it wasn't until next spring, if I knew that for definite then I would be able to enjoy the game more now instead of thinking there's no point working at my character as they could be gone tomorrow.
This is my first season on FOnline, I'm hoping to enjoy the next even more.

I love this game and I'm thankful to the Devs for all their hard work.
If I ever win the Euro-millions lottery I will donate heavily.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Marko on December 13, 2011, 01:50:24 pm
No really, we don't deserve it. If we deserved it, it would mean we have some "right" to it. We have no such rights. This game is not ours. It is yours - you devs own it and we don't. We pay nothing. A few donate, but only the dev team pays for it so we "deserve" nothing. We should all be thankful it's even here.

Furthermore, if you ask someone a question, and they don't know the exact answer, then that's tough. Take it. Take "soon", use your brain, and realize they don't know yet exactly. How in the world is a development team supposed to know a month in advance exactly when wipe will be while they are still making changes? During that month, more changes come up. "Soon" is the exact right answer and they keep giving it to us so stop asking. It's just soon! You whiners are insanely demanding. How 'bout take some programming classes, learn to code, and build your own ding-dang game. Then deal with the spoiled brats complaining on your forum.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: EnergyForYou on December 13, 2011, 02:44:31 pm
Got good news (depending on what you've expected):

We've extended the rental period for next 3 months, got ~9e left, let's enjoy it a bit more and hope for a wipe!
So, now we know that wipe will be in 3 months, right?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Wichura on December 13, 2011, 02:47:53 pm
So, now we know that wipe will be in 3 months, right?
We do?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Dantiko on December 15, 2011, 03:52:26 pm
Wipe is taking so long, people are leaving 2238 and playing games like TLAmk2, which by the way is better and has a bigger player base, but it's simply too much russians, so people just stop playing FOnline and go play another game, come on, I know new features are hard to implement, but I am sure that the devs aren't employing 100% of their time in it, because devs have a life too, they aren't bots, so could you all stop complaining about it and forget the word "Wipe" for a month or two, because the more we complain here the longer the devs will take to...wipe.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Calvix on December 15, 2011, 05:03:42 pm
well i dont mind waiting for wipe but its nice to know how long
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Hololasima on December 15, 2011, 06:00:46 pm
Wipe is taking so long, people are leaving 2238 and playing games like TLAmk2, which by the way is better and has a bigger player base, but it's simply too much russians, so people just stop playing FOnline and go play another game, come on, I know new features are hard to implement, but I am sure that the devs aren't employing 100% of their time in it, because devs have a life too, they aren't bots, so could you all stop complaining about it and forget the word "Wipe" for a month or two, because the more we complain here the longer the devs will take to...wipe.

Dunno how you but i am waiting for one single wipe more than year... so yeah, thats it. Wipe just could be earlier, even without any update.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Senocular on December 16, 2011, 10:32:20 am
Delaying wipe is good. It filters out the spoiled whiners from those of us who truly appreciate the game. So take your time, devs! I hope it's not until at least Spring. I for one don't mind at all, and i look forward to more jerks quitting and leaving a higher ratio of the rest of us.

Meanwhile we're not paying for this game, people. So the devs cannot be held to any deadlines. Put more directly: the devs are not obligated to meet any deadlines. When they say "soon", that's the shortest way to say "stop asking". I mean really, we don't deserve to know anything about the development. We should be thankful this game exists, thankful there even is a dev blog, thankful there is a forum, thankful thankful thankful.

To my fellow appreciatives: hang in there and keep enduring all the childish complaining - the longer we endure it, the higher will be the appreciative-to-complainer ratio later. And to the whiners...i hear there is a nice Hello Kitty game out there. If you play it and you miss Fallout, then maybe submit a suggestion there to have Hello Kitty Rocket Launchers added or some such.
I can't count how many times I heard that I'm only devs' little slave. I'm on their mercy, God I'm so thankful for not wiping the server yet! :D
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Kelin on December 16, 2011, 02:12:29 pm
Dunno how you but i am waiting for one single wipe more than year... so yeah, thats it. Wipe just could be earlier, even without any update.
So you expected server to be wiped after three months of a season?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Crazy on December 16, 2011, 02:48:28 pm
So you expected server to be wiped after three months of a season?
Yes. That was often the shedule before that era ;p
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: T-888 on December 16, 2011, 06:01:23 pm
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It's really grim , quick someone do something ( praying ) ! :)

Developers must do some magic if they don't want to work like slaves , i'm just saying.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Kilgore on December 17, 2011, 12:07:09 pm
So you expected server to be wiped after three months of a season?

1st session - 2 weeks
2nd session - 3 months
3rd session - 4 months
4th session - 5 months
5th session - 16 months and rising!
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Dantiko on December 17, 2011, 03:39:16 pm
Numbers don't lie, people ARE leaving 2238, really I expect a much different game after wipe.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: iamridge on December 17, 2011, 03:45:54 pm
This is truely shame for You Devs 16 months without wipe and more than 8 (!) months without any changelog, You should start to search new people for this, this server had good potential and You seems to be bored at all, maybe think about retire and give access to other people with high skill to be as developer.
Shame for You nothing more to say, so much people got tired of waithing, is it so hard to just fu**ing wipe this  even without any major changes and people get happy and play, You think all wait for revolutioning changes- no, You dont understand something people just need many people playing for more fun with easy rules to get it after some days of playing, now it's like new player play this 1 day and quit,
Really You try to make this game like WoW or something, we dont need it to be like that, we need wasteland and citied full of players, like in 2nd season was i remember well that was so much fun, todays its game for masochists and maximum bored person
Just do the wipe after 3-5 months even You havent finished your changes, it's the easiest way to keep this server alive, You try with 3d models etc, waste of time and money for this, i loved all models with sound and normal kill animations, now rats, deathclaws ithout sound over year, i hate this, for sure 3d wont make this game more fun, the point is across, really best option is to make advertisement on other forums or sites, there is so many fans of fallout 1,2 game, that were always dreaming about playing this game in multiplayer mode, dont believe it's only 200 players from all countries (1 player per 1 country) liked that games
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Dantiko on December 17, 2011, 05:20:25 pm
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200!? Check server status, 200 players online on 2238 now is almost impossible.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Wichura on December 17, 2011, 07:51:27 pm
dont believe it's only 200 players from all countries (1 player per 1 country) liked that games
200 players is called a "peak" nowadays (http://www.rookie.name/fonline/playerStats.php?r=year&s=1324122138&ts=0&ar=0&step=12). It used to be 400-600, when I started to spread trolling art in November 2009. This however seems to be desired and expected situation:
Say "hallo" to I don't care. If there would be 0 people playing the game, we would still work on it. Beside this, we aren't a commercial game that needs to have 100k players all the time. So, yeah. I don't give a shit and therefore the numbers aren't an argument.

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Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Lizard on December 18, 2011, 12:48:12 am
Say "hallo" to I don't care. If there would be 0 people playing the game, we would still work on it. Beside this, we aren't a commercial game that needs to have 100k players all the time. So, yeah. I don't give a shit and therefore the numbers aren't an argument.

Isn't this a kind of "piss of y'all we don't need you anyway" to the playerbase? What kind of crap is THIS?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Wichura on December 18, 2011, 01:04:27 am
Calm down mister, it's from here (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=15771.msg130530#msg130530). Same old crap about travelling speed, one of the reasons why some people left 2238. Now it's fixed, so travelling is not a butthurt anymore. Fixed after a year or so, but still.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Surf on December 18, 2011, 03:54:30 am
Isn't this a kind of "piss of y'all we don't need you anyway" to the playerbase? What kind of crap is THIS?

This is the sentence 99% of the people bringing in new content willl read. I  don't want to ridicule the work 2238 people do (they are fucking good people, even freinds!) but bringing in new content? It's like to start terraforming on Mars. It's not possible, but will eventually happen. :) I will not lie, 99% of the people of all dialog, quest, map contests so far read this above sentence. Why? I leave this to your imagination.

There were so many people prone to make good stuff, I've seen it. There were so many ridicolous reasons not to take that stuff.....


Still, let me tell you this - it is not the first time I "work" with people on such a project, but here ...
All the Devs are people you always would see as friends. They are all passionate, they take their hobby serious. Still, "they" do some stuff. You whiners always seem to forget that this is not WoW where people are paid, or that there are many people making alternatives to the server here. There is Desert Europe, or Wasteland:2155 never was there an official post from one of the devs that they don't allow ads for their "server" (hell, my project is in signature aswell)    Yet it is called "trolling" when someone here calls criticism. Did you forget that lots of scripts you can now find in the sdk foots on 2238 devs?

No, and thus it all comes back to this. The people I got to know from 2238 I do not want to miss. Ofcourse you all want to have updates, it is only natural. But think of the people behind, this is just a hobby, would you do the same? Those people are cool, hosting servers for your pleasure.....
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Senocular on December 18, 2011, 04:57:35 am
I wouldn't call being a jerk on forums "working" on the project.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Reiniat on December 18, 2011, 06:23:42 am
In my very own opinion i say thanks for devs to make the game as a hobby for themselves.
Hell, is even better for devs to make this game only for themselves, if they would work only for the community the game would be dead by now.

Also i think Lexx was mad when he wrotte that, he didnt choose the right words, but his message is fine (we make this game because we love it, not because of the players), at least for me.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: lisac2k on December 18, 2011, 12:05:08 pm
Dear iamridge,

we would love to release new features and add new content (hence, have a wipe) each few months as well. This is, however, not the case. Allow me to illustrate my point in short: only 2 years ago, I had approx. 6-10 hours per day for the development, nowadays no more than a few hours per week. In the very moment we started working on 2238, most of the team was motivated AND had enough time to make a framework for the open beta. However, in the next few months the team members finished their colleges, gotta work, got married, some of us got kids. I suppose most of players have a lot of free time, meaning their day passes slower than, for example, my day. You said there's 16 months since the last wipe? It seems like 16 days to me. Do you understand the issue now?

While there's a lot of motivation to push things forward for the upcoming wipe, there's only a small time window for each of us to do what there's to be done. The team is the way it is, and we work the way we work. Personally, I think it's a phenomena that we, as a team, have been lasting for so long, considering the team has no fundings at all (yes, we do everything for the faint of heart) and other teams (not only FOnline teams, but in general, a lot of game dev and modding teams, even game studios) fall apart and/or close their doors quite often.

I hope you have a better picture of the issue now. And please, don't take a single quote taken out of context so seriously.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Izual on December 18, 2011, 01:00:08 pm
Even Mutants Rising is going to be released. Never give up!
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Solar on December 18, 2011, 01:05:05 pm
Progress would have been much faster if we had limited each session to 2 weeks playing time, after which we would have collected all the feedback and the server just came down and the forums and our IRC were closed.

Way too much time gets spent on various melodramas and unfortunately a good percentage of community involvement is demotivational.

However, I'm pleased we have done it the way we have. Instead of being further ahead in development we have had 2+ years of the game living and our own mini community existing.

Before we started it seemed like we would have had 100 players at peak, to have that number this far in and 8 months since even the slightest update still seems weird to me.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Johnny Nuclear on December 18, 2011, 02:32:43 pm
Dear iamridge,

we would love to release new features and add new content (hence, have a wipe) each few months as well. This is, however, not the case. Allow me to illustrate my point in short: only 2 years ago, I had approx. 6-10 hours per day for the development, nowadays no more than a few hours per week. In the very moment we started working on 2238, most of the team was motivated AND had enough time to make a framework for the open beta. However, in the next few months the team members finished their colleges, gotta work, got married, some of us got kids. I suppose most of players have a lot of free time, meaning their day passes slower than, for example, my day. You said there's 16 months since the last wipe? It seems like 16 days to me. Do you understand the issue now?


If you don't have much time, simply take more people.

Surf is right.
Honestly great job you guys did here.
I think just slight change in Devs attitude could help a lot to this project.

Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Lizard on December 18, 2011, 05:43:10 pm
Okay, thanks for clarification, i think i overreacted.
I apologise.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Wichura on December 18, 2011, 07:59:48 pm
Look what I have done. One single quote and boom! Man, my trolling skill keeps rising.
(...)
YOU'RE ALIVE!!!11eleven
Glad to "see" you, sir.

And I can only humble agree with time issues you've described. It's the reason why I had to resign from being part of 2155 team.
Before we started it seemed like we would have had 100 players at peak, to have that number this far in and 8 months since even the slightest update still seems weird to me.
It's called "masochism", I guess :>

No, seriously - if 2238 be total crap, barely anyone would still wait for any changes. But people are waiting, it has to mean something then.
If you don't have much time, simply take more people.
+1

Quest/Maps/Dialogues/Scripts contest, anyone?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: killar_vortex on December 18, 2011, 11:46:18 pm
To the devs, maybe this has been proposed already, but have you been thinking into making the project open source?
If you've thought about it already, what are the reason why you don't do it?
There are many free source code hostings in the web, with bug tracker, svn and other features.
By this way the simple player who has the knowledges to help, goes in the bug tracker, writes a solution, and then the leading team will decide if to apply it or not.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Lizard on December 19, 2011, 10:48:55 am
I think the devs could go OpenSource when the circumstances won't allow them to work on 2238 anymore and i hope that won't happen in the next time.

And you're basically asking the devs to abandon their project.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Lexx on December 19, 2011, 10:56:50 am
If you don't have much time, simply take more people.

It's just not that easy.

Besides, check out Desert Europe. Lots of people in the beginning and now it's as good as dead. I don't have any insight in how they work, but my humble guess is that the reason for their problems are at least two: 1. lots of people doing nothing and 2. lots of endless discussion killing progress.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on December 19, 2011, 11:26:25 am
Open source is not the answer. It works well for projects, where subjective opinion of the developers doesn't count, and what counts is performance/reliability/correctness. Game is often mix of those things and it includes art (be it map design/writing/graphics). Whether art is concerned, subjectivity starts to prevail and open source may just cause conflicts.

However, what should help community to have greater impact on content are proper tools. Tools, which would allow you to package your idea, test it, send to devs who in turn can easily deploy it without bigger conflicts. And this is the road we should be following. It's not Linux, it's a game.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Johnny Nuclear on December 19, 2011, 01:11:11 pm
It's just not that easy.

Besides, check out Desert Europe. Lots of people in the beginning and now it's as good as dead. I don't have any insight in how they work, but my humble guess is that the reason for their problems are at least two: 1. lots of people doing nothing and 2. lots of endless discussion killing progress.


as Wichura wrote, contest, that's what can show you skilled mappers/writers/scripters and if you take them, and they won't work, you can simply fire them.

keep in mind, reasonable discussion is what produces most healthy ideas.

Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: lisac2k on December 19, 2011, 01:24:43 pm
Since the community was waiting for so long to get a new update, I think it deserves a reply from us, the devs. I, hereby, want to thank Lexx and scypior for providing their points of view on the matter and, at the same time, want to use this opportunity to provide you with my own one.

I think our community got most of the transparency as one can get from a development team. Instead of the usual marketing crap, hype and framed interviews you could expect from the developers/publishers today, we really were open to our playerbase as much as we could afford it. We always tried to keep the development as transparent and open as it possibly could be, discussing or, at least, mentioning the community input in our IRC debates and keeping the communication channels open via the forum. I am sorry that we couldn't meet the wishes most of you had for this project, but I believe most of the features currently implemented still have a large support of the playerbase. For this, we thank you and hope you will keep supporting this "masochistic work" we have been doing, as we do support you in your "masochistic addiction" to this game.


Quote from: Johnny Nuclear
If you don't have much time, simply take more people.
Johnny, I wish it was "simply ... do this and that." Let me be clear: explaining the situation about the FOnline: 2238 development and The Rotators is such a complicated material, that I could write a novel about it - no more, no less. I ask myself sometimes, if all of this is still just a dream, considering what incredible factors and coincidences led us to the point where we stand right now. Quite incredible, I assure you. There came the words of wisdom, behold:
Quote from: lisac
The team is the way it is, and we work the way we work.


And last, but not least:
Quote from: Wichura
Glad to "see" you, sir.
I must invest some skill points into Sneak, I see :)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Sarakin on December 19, 2011, 05:33:13 pm
In the very moment we started working on 2238, most of the team was motivated AND had enough time to make a framework for the open beta.
^This.
You need fresh blood that would be as motivated and time-free as you were back then. I understand that the current development pace isnt an issue for you, but Im sure there are lots of tedious and boring things to make which can be rather assigned to someone new. Its a win/win situation, you get unburdened and the new guy gains some experience with the development.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Solar on December 19, 2011, 05:46:38 pm
Deliver such a magic person (who won't leave a few weeks in) and you have a deal! :)
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Wichura on December 19, 2011, 07:47:59 pm
To be precise - content is needed, not [DEV]s swarm. Point is, you need maps, quests, dialogues and so on, not yet another one-week-stand yahoos to get "Developer" status below the nick. That's why it doesn't really matter who did this or that, as long as it can be used and/or implemented.
And this leads to various contests, to get fancy files, not shmancy people. It's cruel, but works.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Rain on December 19, 2011, 10:58:45 pm
VERY sad that,a free game made out of passion and hobby has users who do not understand and appreciate the fact that devs and gm could do something else in their spare time,instead of worrying of our lazy asses.


I love this game,i will donate and keep support it as much as i can.I just do not understand the point of whining about something free.We are users,not customers.It's so immature to keep pissing off the grey-caped guys.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Frenchy on December 19, 2011, 11:10:02 pm
3 devs and 2 GMs are some time connected, others are dead ?
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Wichura on December 19, 2011, 11:14:40 pm
3 devs and 2 GMs are some time connected, others are dead ?
Reading seems to be forgotten ancient art.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Solar on December 19, 2011, 11:16:42 pm
Weirdly, we have more of us here since .... well, a very long time.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Frenchy on December 19, 2011, 11:47:43 pm
"Looking for caps"
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Tyler on December 21, 2011, 06:54:22 am
A little off topic here but I'd to say thanks to eveyone that works on this project.
I see alot of hate and discontent on this forum and not enough thanks to those who put effort into making this mod possible. This thanks goes to anyone who contributes.

Testers, forum moderators, GM's, anyone who creates fan art or music or interfaces, and last but never least the Dev's. THANK YOU

For anyone ready to come with some smartass remark about kissing ass I'd like to direct you mine. Pucker up son
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Oliver on December 23, 2011, 04:32:20 pm
How donate by other way instead of PayPal ? An example WebMoney. I think that in all countryes prefer different internet-sistems-of-pay.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: Bartosz on December 23, 2011, 04:41:41 pm
How donate by other way instead of PayPal ? An example WebMoney. I think that in all countryes prefer different internet-sistems-of-pay.

I will look on WebMoney in free time, there have been already few request about that, we should not neglect it.
Title: Re: Looking for caps
Post by: runboy93 on December 26, 2011, 05:56:12 pm
I will look on WebMoney in free time, there have been already few request about that, we should not neglect it.
Alertpay too?
I got some money at Alertpay (like 15 dollars) and I would to waste them something.. but almost all webshops use Paypal :/