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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Junktown => Topic started by: racoon on February 09, 2013, 02:56:05 pm
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this is my first guide, i am making it because i am bored.
this guide will teach you how to kill other players/guards in ncr without being killed after first shot. basically it works like guards would ignore you.
i reported this bug/glitch/exploit but noone gives a shit so...
what do you need:
1. character which you will be using to do rampage
2. character with at least 7 slaves (i suggest you to use people from rave parties)
How to do it?
1. go with your character A to ncr bazaar.
2. surround your character A with slaves of your second char B.
3. failsteal on slave with char A.
4. with character B command slaves to punch char A.
5. while character A is being punched by 6 npcs, 7th npc need to be juse hex to any of surrounding slaves. it need to be 2 hexes from your char. you can use more slaves. the more the safer, but my research prooved it works with 7.
6. shot everything with char A (use laser rifle or single mode guns/ bazooka because burst weapons will kill your slaves)
7. after you kill everybody just stop shoting, with char B "stop all actions" and leave city. your character wont get killed by guards after it.
here is screenshots with legend:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ufv9Del.jpg)
Creepy is slaves owner. (char B)
Katie is rampage maker (char A)
as you can see i menaged to get 5 bodies on floor in 1 time. it means they all has died in 20 seconds. there was more victims but they disappeared. Katie is surrounded by 11 slaves, and guards just ignores her.
enjoy pking.
PS
1. no, i was not dual logging, i was on Katie, my brother on Creepy on 2nd computer
2. yes, i reported this bug/exploit/glitch.
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Awesome ;D
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i forgot to add 1 thing, other players can shot you, but if they hurt any of slaves, guards will kill these players.
Edit: and 1 more, with this method you lose only 25 reputation. doesnt matter how much players will you kill. only 25 rep for fail stealing.
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It's nice that you have reported this bug/exploit, but it probably takes a while to fix something like this.
Is this guide made to make it easier for people to ruin the game for everyone? I don't get it.
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i reported but noone gives a shit. its made for explaination how does this exploit works, and also for general information. maybe someone will abuse it for fun? no idea.
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i reported but noone gives a shit. its made for explaination how does this exploit works, and also for general information. maybe someone will abuse it for fun? no idea.
If you ask me, it is enough that you report the exploit and it will be fixed when it's fixed. Additionally making an guide about it on the forums makes no sense.
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It's a guide to make people leave NCR.
He's doing them a favor.
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you forgot to write i discovered that
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(https://i.imgur.com/kyjO0oR.jpg)
on image: i killed few people and player named -ElReTuTu- has decided to kill me. guards has killed him after he attacked.
you forgot to write i discovered that
we're same person. did you forget?
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(https://i.imgur.com/kyjO0oR.jpg)
on image: i killed few people and player named -ElReTuTu- has decided to kill me. guards has killed him after he attacked.
we're same person. did you forget?
what a dissapointment i think we finish trades dude ;)
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what a dissapointment i think we finish trades dude ;)
so, you consider reporting a bug as something so awful that we cant trade anymore? or you're disappointed about fact that i killed some players? practical tests were necessary to test out my theory, and to see if it really works. i understand you never killed a player, what a disappointment dude ;)
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There is still people in ncr lol ?
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lol, thats the only place where you can actually meet someone
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Good job, instead of killing people, I would just troll them with nades, or throwing spears, or poles at them, and they'll try to kill you ,which will end in suicide.
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If this things gets popular I see only good things happening
1.It will make people leave NCR
2.It will give certain people something to do
3.It will make the Devs rush an update to patch it up
But yeah there might be a few people leaving now and then and that sucks.
So I'm not quite sure how I feel about this.
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it can still be heavily abused because it will take devs 2 years to fix it
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I bet you waited until there was 5 guys with under 80 hp...
but seriously slaves block guard ai line of sight? good to know.
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Gentlemen, get your mercs, For tonight we dine in NCR.
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so, you consider reporting a bug as something so awful that we cant trade anymore? or you're disappointed about fact that i killed some players? practical tests were necessary to test out my theory, and to see if it really works. i understand you never killed a player, what a disappointment dude ;)
well i have problem, cuz u re Grizzan. I didnt know that >:( I dont have many enemies in fonline (from my side at least), but u i count as one of them)
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well i have problem, cuz u re Grizzan. I didnt know that >:( I dont have many enemies in fonline (from my side at least), but u i count as one of them)
yeah of course i am grizzan. i am dual logging in game all the time. on irc too. also on forum! even better! on facebook i made 2 accounts one for each other. and... i am going to 2 schools at same time :)
he's my brother. so hard to understand?
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I bet you waited until there was 5 guys with under 80 hp...
but seriously slaves block guard ai line of sight? good to know.
60% of the people in NCR have less than 100 HP, doesn't take that long even if he did.
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omg, they turned off pvp in ncr... pathetic...
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Rather annoying,now there are thieves in dog skins with ridiculously low steal skill trying to take peoples items.Even if they fail people can't do shit about them.
And for what?The safety of a few idlers?
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Cant kill in ncr lol no is good idea
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Cant kill in ncr lol no is good idea
In theory yes.
But it's not.
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Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing? *Prepares to be called a faggot noob who is a pussy that can't handle the extreme PvP that clearly happens in NCR such as angry players playing who has the most grease guns in their tent?*
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Am I the only one who thinks this is a good thing?
It's not.
Even though bursters are now powerless the fact that you can't shoot unpro thieves means that they can fail as much as they want without any consequences.
Now before you say "don't bring anything in NCR then"
Even if our inventory is empty it is still annoying
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I find it hilarious that after putting a shitload of guards all over NCR, spending months nerfing thieves and bombers for the sake for newbie peace, they simply turned off NCR pvp :P
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I find it hilarious that after putting a shitload of guards all over NCR, spending months nerfing thieves and bombers for the sake for newbie peace, they simply turned off NCR pvp :P
Yeah, amusing, time to level a thief I guess ;)
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I find it hilarious that after putting a shitload of guards all over NCR, spending months nerfing thieves and bombers for the sake for newbie peace, they simply turned off NCR pvp :P
It's also hilarious how it's been said by dev team in past that turning off pvp anywhere would never happen.
The Devs have been broken! QUICKLY!!! WE MUST PUSH THE ADVANTAGE!
Get rid of Fast relog.
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i hope when will they disable pvp at gunrunners. looted some good stuff already and made some people raging
basically, you can abuse this bug everywhere even in VC killing npcs.
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Band-aid solution for announcing the slave exploit and inviting people to jump on it. I hate ncr. Its the most protected city in game but its the most dangerous.
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LMAO what can you expect from people not even adults yet. People are gonna abuse anything and everything they can. Now NCR is an annoying thief hole, guess what it always was, It's still not worth bringing items there. Punk noobs abusing exploits in GR?! What else is new? The Dev's probably didn't turn off PvP in NCR as a feature change, simply as a temporary fix, which is done in many games where noobs find some exploit and rather than be mature just repeat it over and over to the detriment of the game. Oh well NCR is just like it has always been, only a place to go for griefers and noobs. Back to Mariposa I guess lol.
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Only "hilarious" thing i see in here is OP, which pretends that he/she doesn't know how the update cycle works, even if he/she plays for little longer than 2 days according to (probably) his own words (http://logs.temote.pl/2238/2013-02-09.log).
Let's try a simple way, once more, for a 4294967295 time:
report -> fix -> update
See? It's that simple. Of course, time between report and update maybe different, no matter how game-breaking it may be. Fix can be also applied in few minutes, but time before we reach "update" stage may be even longer if some serious change is implemented. In that case all has to wait until things works as planned, and doesn't break mechanics which everyone expect to works - and it may be everything, from TC mechanics to pressing C to display character screen.
But wait a second; if this thread was supposed to bring the fix faster it failed hard, making it nothing more than "devs didn't fix what I reported, here is MY REVENGE! now they will fix it in a seconds!". And yet it changed almost nothing, becouse of one or two bigger changes for next update which are in progress right now, and can't be simply commented. Almost, as only thing done is spoiling fun for people which didn't know mentioned bug. No idea for what reason, i'll just wait when OP will be on the other side of another exploit.
To end this post, as i feel it won't change anything anyway: every bug report is appreciated, including this one. But making exploits widely know is not a way to go, as they won't help anyone, and usually makes only things worse. Thread could be made hidden, OP could start spread info in other ways with usual devs sux note. Update could be rushed and break worldmap mechanics, devs sux. Hotfix could be... oh wait, hotfix already was done, but devs sux anyway.
So tell me racoon, this thread have any other reason to exists, other than trying to make us ungrateful bastards which ignore the voice of community? If not, sorry that i asked.
tl;dr - Shitpost nobody cares to read.
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Meh, just consider the source Wipe. The dude isn't even old enough to drink in some countries and thinks he's got a handle on the way things should work. And you're right it was a pretty pathetic cry for attention. BTW you suck for not fixing my Explorer perk!!! j/k Don't let the dreg's get to ya.
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Meh, just consider the source Wipe.
Source doesn't matter when it comes to bugs. I saw players, usually summarized with same words you used, during TC rework few years back. And they was worthy testers, with dedication to find bugs and present them in easy to reproduce way. After all, bugs doesn't need nicks attached, as long person fixing them doesn't need additional info :)
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Source doesn't matter when it comes to bugs. I saw players, usually summarized with same words you used, during TC rework few years back. And they was worthy testers, with dedication to find bugs and present them in easy to reproduce way. After all, bugs doesn't need nicks attached, as long person fixing them doesn't need additional info :)
Very very true, I meant about the bitching, and calling dev's fail, and the whole posting of a guide on how to ruin time in NCR stuff. But you are 100% right bug reports are bug reports, the more the better no matter who they come from.
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it's interesting, i think i will have a try. be careful people in NCR
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Exploits should be widely known, so everyone can enjoy. Especially when they do not affect game economy like unlimited drugs/items.
**Preparing a squad to attack Junktown. Stupid town, always hated their guards.**
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i would have played this game for months straight and never came across some complicated bug. great, instead of playing, we can all grief people to hell in NCR. because thats more fun, right?
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i would have played this game for months straight and never came across some complicated bug. great, instead of playing, we can all grief people to hell in NCR. because thats more fun, right?
No one is forcing you to go to NCR dude
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So tell me racoon, this thread have any other reason to exists, other than trying to make us ungrateful bastards which ignore the voice of community? If not, sorry that i asked.
Wipe, I didnt demand you to fix this exploit in 1 second. I just wanted people to have fun before it will be nerfed. what's your problem? why so offensive about age? just a cheap argument. and yes, i know how does update cycle works because i am finishing IT school very soon + i have courses (cisco, xaml, sep etc) so i know some things about programming, computers and development of projects. pointing age is all you guys got? jesus christ... making guide is sign of being underaged, retarded and such. good to know.
i think i will have a try. be careful people in NCR
i think you should read previous posts before you write something. you just showed that you're raising speech with spamming. it was told several times that pvp in ncr is disabled.
PS was joking about gunrunners, but was hoping for such flame. you all know, its an art
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i would have played this game for months straight and never came across some complicated bug. great, instead of playing, we can all grief people to hell in NCR. because thats more fun, right?
It was extremely fun actually... :|
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Killing people in ncr because you are bored is a time honoured fonline tradition, this pvp ban is sacrilege.
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I just wanted people to have fun before it will be nerfed.
Uh, using an exploit is only fun for the exploiters. Not so fun for the possible victims.
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same with infinite caps exploit. and i think its even worse. some people exploited few millions of caps at beginning of era. killing few people in ncr is NOTHING compared to that and i havent seen anyone crying about these caps
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Killing people in ncr because you are bored is a time honoured fonline tradition, this pvp ban is sacrilege.
It is an insult to the great Egg God of NCR
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Why so offensive about age?
I said nothing about age of anyone here, just asked what's the point of the thread and described how it looks from my point of view. I got the answers already, so... that's all.
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same with infinite caps exploit. and i think its even worse. some people exploited few millions of caps at beginning of era. killing few people in ncr is NOTHING compared to that and i havent seen anyone crying about these caps
Yeah, it is the same. It doesn't justify anyone to use this one, just because this isn't as bad as some other exploit. And I think there wasn't a guide about the exploit on the forums to create this kind of discussion.
Anyway, I'm just saying that making an guide how to use some exploit and then complaining about the actions devs do to prevent it, is just stupid. You just help to ruin the game for your and everyone else.
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Infinite caps is different than blowing away people in a supposedly safe city. But as it's been stated NCR was never safe anyhow, now there's just another noob way to mess with people.
Age makes the difference really only in the fact that like it or not you do tend to learn things as you age that you don't learn just by being smart and those things learned are usually tied to the development of maturity. A young person with a genius level Intellect will still be missing out on just a few things when compared to an older average intellect person. I think that really is the debate of Wisdom vs Intellect. But the SPECIAL doesn't have wisdom so no worries!
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Infinite caps is different than blowing away people in a supposedly safe city.
You're right. It's worse.
Infinite caps = almost infinite power.
Mercenaries... swarms.... Ahhhh, those were the days. So much like Starcraft Online. You could potentially take over anywhere with enough leader alts and mercs to spam and have plenty left over to pound anyone who entered to death in a micro-second. Remember destroying 5-10 fully geared people at a time with a single well-deployed squad. Crazy shit. Imagine 50.
Why it doesn't happen so often now continues to elude me..... Especially with cheating being legalized.
if only if only, I had such power. :'(
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I have few words for this topic, since I am the one whom disabled pvp in ncr after seeing topic's name. Apparently somebody did gave a shit about this.
Now to the matter at hand. As Trokanis said, this is a temporary matter untill the bug is resolved or minds are changed.
And yes, the thieves are a problem, but there's a thing, for nooby loosing few items to a thief is not as bad as loosing all items because somebody thought it will be fun to rampage in ncr. Besides, there's not much thieves loose when they get killed(if they loose anything at all). Oh, and refrain from witty and funneh comments that there's no new players.
And suiciders, those determined enought will keep doing so, but it will require more effort on their part.
Is this understandable enough explanation why no pvp will stay for now?
Aaand few more to clear things out:
It's also hilarious how it's been said by dev team in past that turning off pvp anywhere would never happen.
Let me illuminate before you gonna blind us with your rays of bullshit further. No pvp was turned on by me, not concerning with any dev, it is temporary. So let's stop trying to be small-minded and prejudice and draw strange conclusions just because there's an irresistible urge to open ones mouth.
so, you consider reporting a bug as something so awful that we cant trade anymore?
Say what you want but this guide is not a bug report, the best it can be is a spit at devs' face. We have bug tracker for bug reports in case you haven't figured that out.
Also! Please! Take your time and reread (or read) what Wipe posted.
And that's pretty much it. Cheers and have fun.
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It doesn't matter how many foolproof systems you guys add into NCR to avoid exploits, you will never take imaginary PVP away from me... Pew! pew! Pzzt! Brrrrrr!
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I don't think you have to weight any greater good of consequences in order to explain something, you did what you had to do.
Just an observation, players should really start to learn how to think for themselves, if there isn't someone presenting information on a plate, god everyone here goes into such crap with the limited data available and for what I can only guess.
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Aaand few more to clear things out:Let me illuminate before you gonna blind us with your rays of bullshit further. No pvp was turned on by me, not concerning with any dev, it is temporary. So let's stop trying to be small-minded and prejudice and draw strange conclusions just because there's an irresistible urge to open ones mouth.
You should re-read what you say. Really. In this instance you made very little sense.
1. What bull-shit? What I said was the truth and nothing but the truth. Dev team said that turning off pvp anywhere would never happen. Ustillmad? Tubad.
2. No pvp was turned on by me, not concerning with any dev, it is temporary.
Aside from the majority of this sentence be unintelligible, I didn't say whether it was temporary or not, did I? Assumptions assumptions...
3. So let's stop trying to be small-minded and prejudice and draw strange conclusions just because there's an irresistible urge to open ones mouth.
Now this has some merit. But there's not much else left for this game. It's really bad, boring, and grindier than any other game in existence, except maybe EVE online. Jesus, literal corporations exist in that game.
God I wish we went back to the era before this wipe. Best shit ever. IT HAD IT'S QUIRKS BUT IT WAS FINE! DAMN FINE!
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Wire is pretty much mad here, I wonder what's the reason. the first time i told you Wire about this exploit you said it doesnt work at all or it works partially so i assumed it cant be considered as an exploit. you couldnt get it working? it was too complicated? why did you ask me earlier what was i doing with these slaves then? i dont get it. you said it works partially so? i successfuly killed many people and it always worked. even with 2 killers at 1 time, it still was working perfectly.
edit: about infinite caps exploit. they didnt say anybody because they were too greedy (why would anyone else has a caps? no way!) . and only few people abused it by camping 24/7 with tasker.
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Aaand few more to clear things out:Let me illuminate before you gonna blind us with your rays of bullshit further. No pvp was turned on by me, not concerning with any dev, it is temporary. So let's stop trying to be small-minded and prejudice and draw strange conclusions just because there's an irresistible urge to open ones mouth.
Then why were the respawn tents suddenly turned into "No PVP" zones too ? Don't tell me that's "temporary" too.
Small-minded and with prejudice, highly ironic that you dare to use these words after what you and your good buddy mayk have done to me yesterday.
Back to topic : We noticed this bug quite some time ago, we needed to test it extensively since it didn't work out 24/7 . It took us some attempts, some were foiled by GM's, I think TWICE and they didn't notice it or looked like they cared back then. If it were for me I'd have abused it forever but racoon decided to report it, which is his good right as he basicly "found" it.
But a lil different topic, he might have been over reactive with this post BUT it immediately got attention and was temporary fixed right ? Even If I didn't rejoice much when I discovered the only thing I'm having fun, since uhh, this "great" season started, has been disabled.
Good, this permament "devs will fix it in 2 years" Shit is not nice, but you need to realise the Dev's activity over this whole season gave us, the players, the (in my opinion true) illusion Devs have abandoned this a long time ago or take their time forever. Maybe because basic things haven't been implemented for a long time and still aren't. But IDK how often this has been discussed over, so I leave it be. And I merely wanted to stress it is my opinion, hate me for it or not.
So whats the problem other then you claim to feel hurted again and go all the way bubu. The problem is solved and we realised you're working on it, thanks for that. Idk why, but you often act so exposed and hurted by such small things in the last weeks, sometimes its not even explicable . You start sounding like those bluesuits I burst and then spat a tearful "FAK U" at me. This forum has more animosity-filled PVP then the game itself.
EDIT for forum mods: IDK how to contact you sorry, I'm not a expert on forums. Since I regard the middle finger and my name next to it as a personal insult, I demand that the forum user "August" promptly removes my name from his signature and is reminded proper netiquette. Thanks in advance.
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I just wanted people to have fun before it will be nerfed.
What you mean is "fixed" - bugs aren't getting "nerfed". It's already the second time that I see someone here use the word "nerf" instead of "fix" while talking about exploits. That must be a sign.
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What you mean is "fixed" - bugs aren't getting "nerfed". It's already the second time that I see someone here use the word "nerf" instead of "fix" while talking about exploits. That must be a sign.
Proof that for some people exploits are the only 'features' they care about I guess. In either case it's in the cooker for being fixed so no worries.
Respawn tents should have been no pvp to begin with since there is a rule that flat out states IT'S AGAINST THE RULES to pvp in respawn areas. The fact they made it forced could be as simple as being some how connected to NCR's current forced ban, or could be that more NOOBS have been breaking the rules again going all hur dah dur in respawn tents. Yeesh get over it. Pvp is still in all the important places.
The dev's have every right to be human from time to time especially when 90% of the time they deal with nothing but immature whiny people who pick apart EVERY single action they do, whether to fix, enhance, or balance something in game. Hell be lucky and GLAD they have more patience than you guys do.
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Maby add no pvp zones in tc zones and nr :) or no loosing stuff feature?
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EDIT for forum mods: IDK how to contact you sorry, I'm not a expert on forums. Since I regard the middle finger and my name next to it as a personal insult, I demand that the forum user "August" promptly removes my name from his signature and is reminded proper netiquette. Thanks in advance.
August: I tell you no way and bring up some issue from our past encounters.
Vile: I respond in an arrogant demeanour because of your ignorance "Welcome to the Internet Kid" I quote for the 100th time.
August: I am outraged and will start to make fun of your comment and will then start to call you names.
Vile: Witty comment about your mother who in reality is a wonderful lady.
August: I find this witty comment horrible and proceed to correct your grammer and call you things that would indicate that you wish sexual interaction with a person of your own sex.
Vile: I will make veiled insults at your clearly sub-average intelligence level and use fancy words to make myself appear superior.
There, I've just saved us both countless minutes of keyboard combat. Your Welcome...
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blah, words, internet crying...
August: ... correct your grammer and....
...Your Welcome...
(You're) btw.
Now take it into private please, at least Vile's post was reasonably on topic and only had the added note for a decent reason.
On Topic: Jacky that won't happen for various reasons, the game is pvp based, and full loot is the only thing that the apes really go for at this point. If you're having trouble ask around you will find some Apk gangs, and info on where you probably should avoid, and ways to help keep your stuff.
P.S. Wire in your post "which made sense btw" I just want to correct the difference between noob and newb. Anywho GL.
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Hehehe thnx Dude i feel much safer now...;) hehehe :)
But it was ironic and i am 100% corrupted tc ape but thnx for your kindness :)
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I AFK (not being marked as AFK doesn't mean i am not AFK) for few hours and when I get back I find log of PMs from racoon which could be sumarized as:
Hi, are you there? I have an exploit to report.
Well I see you don't care, well screw you then! I will post it on forum so everyone can abuse it.
So i have no reason to believe there are any noble intentions behind this junkworthy thread. It's basically just a vengeful spit into devs' face for not being grateful enough for reporting. Still... thanks for the report.
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I AFK (not being marked as AFK doesn't mean i am not AFK) for few hours and when I get back I find log of PMs
how were you able to talk on #2238 when you were afk? interesting.
edit: that one i pmed you was other exploit which wasnt worth to create ticket in bug tracker but just required putting 1 more guard in ncr
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If you PM exploit and devs don't respond, simply file a ticket on Trac. Nobody will blame you for this.
Instead you decided to have 5 minutes of trolololo in game and "fame" on forum, congratulations.
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If you PM exploit and devs don't respond, simply file a ticket on Trac. Nobody will blame you for this.
Instead you decided to have 5 minutes of trolololo in game and "fame" on forum, congratulations.
options:
"5 minutes of trolololo in game and "fame" on forum" - in practice raging people.
or
nothing
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after my character and collection got destroyed, i choose 1st one.
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Ah just as I presumed. The "game" is still falling apart, more and more each day. Can't the wipe just please hurry and come? I'd love to seriously start playing again, and with all this nonsense, its near impossible to enjoy yourself.
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Ah just as I presumed. The "game" is still falling apart, more and more each day. Can't the wipe just please hurry and come? I'd love to seriously start playing again, and with all this nonsense, its near impossible to enjoy yourself.
Whats the point to a rushed wipe if there are no new features/fixes.