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Other => Off-topic discussions => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Other FOnline projects => Topic started by: Surf on August 03, 2011, 01:13:20 am
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Since there are more and more FOnline projects popping up lately, be it multiplayer or singleplayer, it might be usefull to have a thread for summary purpotions. This is not intended to lure people out of our 2238 game, but to show what other people are out there working on the engine. If you have some project you want to add to the list, just post it in the thread and I'll add it to the list. Since I haven't played all of them, it'd be nice if people would list some of the key feautures of mentionend games so I can add them to the list (please only brief explanations). Here we go:
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FOnline - The Life After - Forum (http://www.fonline.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=50)- Website (http://fonline.ru/)
(http://sc.fode.eu/?s=88.212.201.245&p=4000&alpha=black&c_r=0&c_g=0&c_b=0&txt_x=20)
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FOnline:Requiem - Forum (http://fonline-requiem.ru/)- Website (http://fonline-requiem.narod.ru/)
(http://check.northarmy.ru/info.php?srv=req)
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Wasteland: 2155 - Forum (http://wasteland2155.net)
- roleplay-oriented server with verification of players and their characters,
- maximum one character per player allowed,
- the game takes place in California, several years before Fallout 1 events,
- devteam focused on delivering content to the game and improving Fallout 1 environment, as well as balancing multiplayer aspects of the gameplay,
- currently under development with occasional closed tests,
(http://www.newfmc.pl/Fonline2077/status.php)
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FOnline: Equilibrium - Forum (http://forum.fonline.cz/) - Website (http://fonline.cz/)
(http://sc.fode.eu/equilibrium_sig.php)
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FOnline: Pokémon Nuclear Edition: Thread on our forums (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=17526.0)
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FO: Desert Europe - Forum (http://forum.fode.eu/) - Website (http://fode.eu/)
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Fallout Online: Australia - Website (http://www.fonlineaustralia.co.cc/)
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FOnline: Last Hope - Forum (http://www.last.fonline.su/)
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FOnline : Racial Wars - Forum (http://fonlinerw.sosbb.ru/)
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FOnline : TNM - Info here (http://fonlinerw.sosbb.ru/t26-fonline-tnm)
(http://sc.fode.eu/index.php?s=fonline.dyndns.info&p=4000)
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FOnline : The Tangut Prophecy - Info here (http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/the-tangut-prophecy-fonline-rpg-historical-fiction-12th-century-china.80544/#post-2495403)
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FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix - Info here (http://www.fonline-aop.net)
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I know there are more, but I have a hard time finding the proper hyperlinks. Please help to fill up the list if you got something to add. Thanks.
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FOnline: Equilibrium - Forum (http://forum.fonline.cz/), Website (http://fonline.cz/) (http://status.chosensoldiers.tk/equilibrium_sig.php)
And some corrections to post:
FOnline - The Life After - Forum (http://www.fonline.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=50)- Website (http://fonline.ru/) (http://sc.fode.eu/?s=88.212.201.245&p=4000&alpha=black&c_r=0&c_g=0&c_b=0&txt_x=20)
FOnline:Requiem - Forum (http://fonline-requiem.ru/)- Website (http://fonline-requiem.narod.ru/) (http://check.northarmy.ru/info.php?srv=req)
Wasteland: 2155 - Forum (http://wasteland2155.net)- Website (http://fo2077.blogspot.com/) (http://www.newfmc.pl/Fonline2077/status.php)
FO: Desert Europe - Forum (*closed for now) (http://forum.fode.eu/) - Website (http://fode.eu/) (http://status.fode.eu/)
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Thanks again jan0s1k, added the details!
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FOnline: Last Hope- Forum (http://www.last.fonline.su/)
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FOnline : TNM - Info here (http://fonlinerw.sosbb.ru/t26-fonline-tnm) (http://sc.fode.eu/?s=SERVER&p=PORT&alpha=black&c_r=0&c_g=0&c_b=0&txt_x=20)
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FOnline : Racial Wars - Forum (http://fonlinerw.sosbb.ru/)
Thanks Jan0 !
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Hello there, http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=17920.0
We don't have server status, but we got a nice place to mess around, come to visit us
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(http://sc.fode.eu/index.php?s=fonline.dyndns.info&p=4000)
It would be better if you put img in this way:
http://sc.fode.eu/?s=SERVER&p=PORT&alpha=black&c_r=0&c_g=0&c_b=0&txt_x=20
(http://sc.fode.eu/?s=fonline.dyndns.info&p=4000&alpha=black&c_r=0&c_g=0&c_b=0&txt_x=20)
Hello there, http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=17920.0
We don't have server status, but we got a nice place to mess around, come to visit us
Of course you can have ;) It's easy to use mine status:
(http://status.chosensoldiers.tk/?s=fonline.dyndns.org&p=4000&alpha=black&c_r=0&c_g=0&c_b=0&txt_x=20)
If you want to make something original, but you don't know how to write all that shi* use this page:
http://temote.tk/index.php?id=status
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Good! thanks jan0s1k
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New RP PvP server, lots of fun.
http://www.fonlinetst.tk/ (http://www.fonlinetst.tk/)
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FOnline The Southern Tribes
Main server adress: fonline.dyndns.org
(http://sc.fode.eu/index.php?s=fonline.dyndns.org&p=4000&pic=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ametllademar.co%2Ffonline%2Fstatus.png)
Provisional server adress: fonlineforfun.zapto.org
(http://sc.fode.eu/index.php?s=fonlineforfun.zapto.org&p=4000&pic=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ametllademar.co%2Ffonline%2Fstatus.png)
Also, we are xperimenting lots of problems with the url, so if you can't enter just use this alternative http://www.ametllademar.co/fonline/
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Could the listings please include what language(s) the in-game text uses?
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My own list of server. (September 2011)
[Running] mean we can actually play/test on it.
[Abandoned/Stopped] mean official stop or no news since a long time or just a fake.
[Dev] mean in development.
[?] mean don't know if it still in development or abandoned.
[RU]russian
[EN]english (and others)
The list are order by date of announce of project. (So here is only announced project :p)
Fonline:The Life After [Running][RU]
Fonline:2238 [Running][EN]
Fonline:Q Alternative Game Mode [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Grow [Stopped for Fonline:Rampage][RU]
Fonline:The New Future [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:World War [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Cafe of Broken Dreams [Abandoned][EN]
Fonline:Мирный Атом [Dev (after a long stop)][RU]
Fonline:The Nordic Marauders [?(still dev/running?)][RU]
Fonline:Island of alienation [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Return of the Chosen One [Running][RU]
Fonline:Winter Edition [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Requiem 4session [Running][RU]
Fonline:Rampage [? (still dev?)][RU]
Fonline:Wasteland 2155 [Dev][EN]
Fonline:Renaissance [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Deadlock [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Goon Heaven [Running][RU]
Fonline:Equilibrum [? (still dev?)][EN]
Fonline:The Strain [Abandoned][RU]
Team Deathmatch Server [Abandoned][EN]
Fonline:Racial Wars [Dev][RU]
Fallout 2241 [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Surface Dwellers [? (still dev?)][EN]
Fonline:Desert Europe [Dev][EN]
World of Fonline [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Imprint Elected [Abandoned][RU]
Fonline:Pokemon Nuclear Edition [Abandoned][EN]
Fonline:Australia [Abandoned][EN]
Fonline:Last Hope [Dev/Running][RU]
Fonline:The Live After mk2 [Running][RU]
Fonline:Southern Tribes [? (still dev?)][EN]
Fonline:Texas Ranger [Abandoned][RU]
:)
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Link for FOnline The Life After MKII : http://tlamk2.ru/
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Hey Please Change the Fallout Online: Australia
Link to
www.thecoregaming.co.cc/
Not Abandoned. :D [ Dont Speak for my Project Faggot. >< ]
Make progress news, screenshot from maps other info etc because i really interested but i dont see anything new :(
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FO: Desert Europe - Forum (*closed for now) (http://forum.fode.eu/) - Website (http://fode.eu/)
Actually the Forum isn't closed any longer.
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By the way guys, Surf said he isn't doin anything FOnline (2238) related anymore. So don't expect much updates to this thread's first post.
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Surf makes his single player mod for fonline. I can't wait for play.
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Surf, Goon Haven is dead project for now.
TLA mk2 not only Russian btw.
All content (I mean ALL!) will be translated to English
For now progress is about 30% , including starting location
You can find international section of forum here: http://tlamk2.ru/forum/forums/44/
Online checker: (http://sc.fode.eu/?s=46.165.192.91&p=4000)
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Fallout Online Australia: Open Beta around christmas.
http://thecoregaming.co.cc/Forum/
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http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=19287.0
please add new server
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Surf, Goon Haven is dead project for now.
TLA mk2 not only Russian btw.
All content (I mean ALL!) will be translated to English
For now progress is about 30% , including starting location
You can find international section of forum here: http://tlamk2.ru/forum/forums/44/
Online checker: (http://status.chosensoldiers.tk/?s=46.165.192.91&p=4000)
Start by translating the how to in English before translatingthe game. I can't figure out how to download the client and reading only cyrilic characters for the last hour is pissing me off.
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There was some promising zombie survival game based on FOnline engine, but I don't know if it's still developed.
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I think it's Surface Dwellers. GM Izual should be in it, if I remember correctly.
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My own list of server. (September 2011)
[Running] mean we can actually play/test on it.
[Abandoned/Stopped] mean official stop or no news since a long time or just a fake.
[Dev] mean in development.
[?] mean don't know if it still in development or abandoned.
[RU]russian
[EN]english (and others)
The list are order by date of announce of project. (So here is only announced project :p)
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Fonline:Equilibrum [? (still dev?)][EN]
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:)
Equilibrium is still dev. We work hard on this project... look at news on the web (http://fonline.cz/) ;-)
We start open beta in this summer (i hope :-)).
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How you make new critters? http://fonline.cz/index.php?view=detail&id=80&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=27&lang=en#
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How you make new critters? http://fonline.cz/index.php?view=detail&id=80&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=27&lang=en#
With Frame Editors.
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How you make new critters? http://fonline.cz/index.php?view=detail&id=80&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=27&lang=en#
Go on NMA and look there. Ther is even a tutorial for it.
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If anyone could edit and update, or just edit it... EVER :)
Address changed a bit (yah, screw you Tokelau)
from
http://status.chosensoldiers.tk
on
http://sc.fode.eu
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i cant understand why so many versions of that game , and they are all abandoned except 2238
why the hell people not gather their forces and focus on that one running version instead?
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Equilibrium is still dev. We work hard on this project... look at news on the web (http://fonline.cz/) ;-)
We start open beta in this summer (i hope :-)).
Dead...
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Just and Update, if you need info on Fallout Online: Australia.
Find it here
http://www.moddb.com/games/fallout-online-australia
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What is current servers and projects?
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A new server project appears:
www.fonline-aop.net
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A new server project appears:
www.fonline-aop.net
cool but when..?
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cool but when..?
"Soon" ;D
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Making something big takes time. We'll add stuff continuously. Hopefully we'll have something playable in a couple of weeks.
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No love for TB in FOnline world... :'(
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I still don't get why everyone wants to make a huge online server. This will fail, I can guarantee this. Why not make a coop Fallout game for 2 - 4 players? Nobody did this yet; it would be something new, it would be A LOT easier to make, it allows for more unique and new content that would never work in a MMO game due to player abuse and so much more.
Take a city of your choice - like Phoenix - write down a Fallout campaign, then create it with a bunch of players in mind. Add a few scripting mechanics to create a better coop experience (dialog screen for everyone, all players are always in the same group, nobody can leave a location if not everyone is in the exit grid, player respawn on doctors or some other form of respawn to make the game less harsh if wanted, WORKING TURN BASED COMBAT, a skill system true to the original game - because the ultimate skill balance in such a coop game isn't as important as in an MMO, etc.), release it as full game to the public and it will be super cool.
If I had more time, I would start such a thing and not a new huge online server, which will suffer under not enough players anyway. Damn, this can even be released in chapters without any problem. Do content for 1 or 2 hours first to see how people accept it, then improve on the content and do more of it. In any case such a thing will bring more internet fame than YAFS... Yet Another FOnline Server.
Hell, I would even love to work just on a template game, which can be used by other people to create their own FOnline coop campaigns with not much scripting knowledge needed. Such a thing is badly needed, imo.
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FOnline coop isn't much easier. It's still a hell of a work. But the people want to make their own huge projects to be better than others. They would, if they would work in great teams, and give it time. The best method to finish FOnline projects is good old step by step.
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Show me one successful example of a real CRPG in coop mode (with non-linear gameplay,
larger plot and many dialogs, not some action based hack n' slash like Diablo). Such things don't
exist and for a good reason. Every player has own pace of playing such games, and just adding
more people who want to do things their way with different speed won't make it more fun IMHO.
Cleaning up and making a version of SDK that doesn't actually suck would be interesting project.
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Show me one successful example of a real CRPG in coop mode (with non-linear plot and
many dialogs, not some action hack n' slash like Diablo). Such things don't exist and for
a good reason. Every player has own pace of playing such games, and just adding more
people who want to do things their way with different speed doesn't make it more fun.
That's why playing BG in cooperation mostly never happens though the game experience is rich and interesting. To me you're dreaming, Lexx ;)
I still don't get why everyone wants to make a huge online server. This will fail, I can guarantee this.
Your attitude there is surprising. Frankly, the answer is simple : because we don't have a decent one. Why would it fail, huh? That's your way of wishing us good luck? Couldn't you share your knowledge of the reasons why a FOnline server would automatically be a failure? Coming from a developer working on the oldest and the most known FOnline project, you seem quite desperate. Honestly, that's sad. Don't ask yourself why people try to launch their own game when you react like this...
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Don't we already have RT only PvP oriented FOnline servers?
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Ashes of Phoenix looks unique enough compared to what is available now.
Personally I think the more servers the better, if someone makes a game
too large to be playable with small amount of people, it's their own problem.
New servers can attract more people who didn't hear about FOnline or played
it long time ago and quit. If only the people who make them will try to advertise
them somewhere outside of 2238 forums :P
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From about 10 or more projects we have 2 (or perhaps 3 correct me if i am wrong) that are more or less successful one being TLA's successor Requiem and other being 2238. After seeing so many projects that became abandoned (or splitted into two and then splitted again) or weren't much of a success it's hard to believe in the new projects.
Imho biggest mistake large part of developers makes is they attempt to create "just like 2238 but better" server, instead of developing something original. AoP seems to be trying to go that original way, so good luck.
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Cleaning up and making a version of SDK that doesn't actually suck would be interesting project.
What for? Create clean sdk it is work for few hours, anyway who cant clean sdk cant do anything usefull based on sdk ;D
Imho biggest mistake large part of developers makes is they attempt to create "just like 2238 but better" server, instead of developing something original. AoP seems to be trying to go that original way, so good luck.
Wrong, "something original" will be interesting only for existing community because they bored of same sarvers/maps but new players come to fonline expect "canon fallout online" not some unknown shit with fallout graphics. I know it because this data was collected by me and few my friends in real life from guys who played fallout but never heard about fonline.
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What for? Create clean sdk it is work for few hours, anyway who cant clean sdk cant do anything usefull based on sdk ;D
Cleaning up AND making a version of SDK that doesn't actually suck.
Which means more generic scripts that anyone would like in SDK to make their own things easily.
Nobody needs 20 Russian quests and fancy replication video in SDK, what is needed are generic
useful solutions which can be reused in different games.
"What for? Create clean sdk it is work for few hours" - won't even comment this, if concept of
reusing code and spending time on something productive instead is too hard for you...~
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Wrong, "something original" will be interesting only for existing community because they bored of same sarvers/maps but new players come to fonline expect "canon fallout online" not some unknown shit with fallout graphics. I know it because this data was collected by me and few my friends in real life from guys who played fallout but never heard about fonline.
I think you got me wrong again... I was talking gameplay-wise, not setting-wise. And I don't think that 2238 is what traditional fallout player imagines under "canon fallout online" (atleast not gameplay-wise) ;)
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I think you got me wrong again... I was talking gameplay-wise, not setting-wise. And I don't think that 2238 is what traditional fallout player imagines under "canon fallout online" (atleast not gameplay-wise) ;)
Looks like now you don't understand, it is not even about settings or gameplay , for start they expects fallout 1 & 2 world and atmosphere.
"What for? Create clean sdk it is work for few hours" - won't even comment this, if concept of
reusing code and spending time on something productive instead is too hard for you...~
Ok, i will ask from other side, for who? For random guys which want play small coop with 2-3 players? They can download old Wipe's clean sdk which is pretty good, anyway they dont need "new cool features" from fresh sdk ;D For other developers? They dont need this.
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Skycast does have a really important point, but we dont want to create a fonline server for players unfamiliar with fonline/fallout in the first place. All the devs are long time 2238 or generally fonline players and we just want to create our own game, from fonliners for fonliners so to speak, trying to fix things that we think should be fixed without taking the classic 2238 2 approach. I don't want to sound like 2238 would be complete shit or anything, but it's just where most of our motivation comes from. Everyone can agree that 2238 is not a "pvp server" but rather a "pve server that also has pvp". While there's nothing wrong with that approach, we try to go into another direction.
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Dont like idea of splitting fo community even more, instead of trying to attract new players, but anyway good luck :D.
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Skycast does have a really important point, but we dont want to create a fonline server for players unfamiliar with fonline/fallout in the first place. All the devs are long time 2238 or generally fonline players and we just want to create our own game, from fonliners for fonliners so to speak, trying to fix things that we think should be fixed without taking the classic 2238 2 approach. I don't want to sound like 2238 would be complete shit or anything, but it's just where most of our motivation comes from. Everyone can agree that 2238 is not a "pvp server" but rather a "pve server that also has pvp". While there's nothing wrong with that approach, we try to go into another direction.
On your place I would try to make a game for gamers not "fonliners" or even Fallout fans.
I don't think you will get far with such mindset (I don't think anyone will, including 2238), but good luck :)
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Well, you guys don't have enough information yet, debating about AoP is kinda worthless and we don't want to do it here. What John just meant may look a bit exaggerated as anyone will be able to play the game, tutorials are planned to help even the most unfamiliar player. But to understand clearly some of our main decisions, players need to know 2238 enough indeed. Don't worry though, it's not necessary at all to play the game and enjoy it as much as the others. Concerning game content, you'll get all the information on our blog, just be patient while we're working. Whatever gamestyle you like, you should find to eat and to drink on AoP.
Dont like idea of splitting fo community even more, instead of trying to attract new players, but anyway good luck .
Skycast, we believe that in order to attract new players, something big has to change. I think we both know that there is no other possible way. If you wanna wait more years hoping for change, have fun. We bet on something else and we spend all our energy on that. Hopefully we'll get something great out of it.
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More servers is a bad idea, it is plausible whether that will attract more players, but it's more likely that it will just split the existing community.
I call it the Xenom syndrome.
New stuff, new servers, new ideas and what for if none of the previously set goals were never achieved?
Skycast, we believe that in order to attract new players, something big has to change.
There is this flaw, that people just re-invent a wheel that way. Solutions and concepts which are successfully applied in practice, shouldn't be scrapped, forgotten or replaced.
Same thing has been happening to 2238 for a long, long time, stuff works good, but hey someone of course has to change something, why? That is supposed to attract more players?
More like something big has to happen, not change.
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We don't agree with your point of view, we don't believe that any issue can be fixed at all if it's related to the most main design points. We'll try to prove our point of view, it will just be up to you to come and see if your opinion changes or not. I bet you could be quite surprised.
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The thing about splitting the community is true, and it's unfortunate. But at the same time, if you disagree with the direction that some project is taking, you have only two choices: shut up and play, or make your own server. I can perhaps make minor suggestions, and I may or may not be able to join an existing dev team and try to steer the project in my way. But if what I want is a complete overhaul of the whole server, it's not going to happen unless I do it myself.
You might say that all fonline devs should join forces and create an awesome super-server, and everyone will be happy. But of course that's just wishful thinking, because most fonline devs are in disagreement about what exactly constitutes a good server. In fact, that single property might be the one thing that turned them into devs to begin with: they all wanted different things.
The fact that there are quite a few different fonline projects going on, and even more have been attempted (and failed) in the past, it says two things to me:
1. It's very hard to make a successful fonline server.
2. Not everybody is content with the existing servers and what they can offer.
Perhaps it's naive, and obviously I'm biased, but I believe we are on to something promising with AoP and that there's a chance that we'll beat the odds and succeed where others have failed. And if we do, we might just end up uniting a community that is already split, and bring fresh blood to a scene that has had far too little far too long.
Time will tell. Most importantly however, we're doing it because it's fun. Not all of it, but enough that we want to continue despite the odds.
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we don't believe that any issue can be fixed at all if it's related to the most main design points.
Not sure what even that means, main design points, I guess you have improper judgement on where you stand at all.
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By main design points I mean the choice of the worldmap size, the number of cities, cities' maps, whole TC system, whole faction system etc.
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Rotfl, I don't think where does that "community will split zomg disaster" shit comes from, but it's really funny.
More servers = more possibilities. You don't like one server, you switch to another, well, nobody says you have to play on *only* one server anyway. One is too harsh for you, try another, easier or more suiting your expectations.
What is the most likely behavior of a totally new player?
"Oh well there is FOnline: 2238, I'll try it! [...] Wtf, it's too difficult bla bla I can't do shit without a group of people [...] Any alternative? No, ragequit + DEL"
I'm not going to explain why starting on 2238 is very difficult for a fresh player (while reasonably easy for someone who played a bit), I'm sure you know why.
Stop thinking about fonline community as a constant number of players. It *could* have much more players if there were any alternatives, but there are none. Many people who aren't satisfied with what 2238 is, and failing to find an alternative, simply switch to other games.
I still don't get why everyone wants to make a huge online server. This will fail, I can guarantee this.
Thanks for a big piece of advice, I'm not buying it.
Good luck to you with your projects, I hope there will be something playable and enjoyable soon in the nearest future.
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FOnline coop isn't much easier. It's still a hell of a work. But the people want to make their own huge projects to be better than others. They would, if they would work in great teams, and give it time. The best method to finish FOnline projects is good old step by step.
Do you know how much time we are spending on discussing what feature is too much absuary and what feature will never be a reality, because players will just bend the rules anyway? Or how many things are cool on paper, but when many players are inside it, it's turning into a big pile of shait.
Also like Mayck wrote, just look at how many FOnline server projects had been started and how many are still here with a reasonable amount of active players.
A coop game at least is something new and I do think that it is possible to make a *real* coop CRPG, unlike Jovanka says. I am pretty certain that it is possible to create a cool game in such an enviroment (which is not a simple hack&slay). I've discussed this already a few times in various places and I do have a ideas to solve the most important issues in a way that playing the game with more than one player doesn't become a great clusterfuck.
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I know what I talk about, because I develop for years too, and also created Fallout 1 coop alpha stage, but don't mind me and keep on the discussion. ;)
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Well, but thats... like... totally something else. FOnline isn't Fallout 1, there is no need to hack a multiplayer mode onto a singleplayer game.
But that's not my point anyway. Most MMOs are shit and I don't know any MMO without flaws that annoy the hell out of me. Hey, nobody did a singleplayer or coop game with the FOnline engine yet! Why not try to make one? To me, that seems more productive and useful than yet another FOnline server.
/Edit: Mind you, I am don't argue against AoP or something. I just think that working on a new MMO is boring and a waste of time, as an MMO is never finished... you will never have it done, always need to produce new content, etc.
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I agree with you on that. In my opinion the shining armor of the representation of the result covers the developing, which always is a tough task.
But people are always the same. So it won't change, unfortunately.
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What the hell was talking about clean sdk?! >:( I asked few people which are MAIN PEOPLE OF FONLINE ENGINE for help, for creating new, clean repository which will be for that kind of projects as you were talking (coop, other gameplay servers) and NOBODY help me. All that shit about: oh its easy, just remove scripts a,b,c,d... blabla and you have it!
Skycast you said that making clean sdk is about few hours so why do not you do it and release public? Why everyone should repeat something few times if someone who already had did it can share. I can not understand! Maybe do you wanna pay for it? Get this $$$.
Everyone say there is not good servers because there is any developer, scripters who could help newcomers by tutorials, help with scripts etc. You do not nothing so I bet that in a few years, this game will fail and we nobody from "outside community" want to play.
Small community, not help, not good people oh god why...
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Stop thinking about fonline community as a constant number of players. It *could* have much more players if there were any alternatives, but there are none. Many people who aren't satisfied with what 2238 is, and failing to find an alternative, simply switch to other games.
You can't expect to launch a project and think that it will suddenly mass out a player base on its own, first it will suck it from other existing servers. Thus you will split the community whether you like it or not, if you are that ignorant to deny it, I have nothing else to say.
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What the hell was talking about clean sdk?! >:( I asked few people which are MAIN PEOPLE OF FONLINE ENGINE for help, for creating new, clean repository which will be for that kind of projects as you were talking (coop, other gameplay servers) and NOBODY help me. All that shit about: oh its easy, just remove scripts a,b,c,d... blabla and you have it!
Skycast you said that making clean sdk is about few hours so why do not you do it and release public? Why everyone should repeat something few times if someone who already had did it can share. I can not understand! Maybe do you wanna pay for it? Get this $$$.
Everyone say there is not good servers because there is any developer, scripters who could help newcomers by tutorials, help with scripts etc. You do not nothing so I bet that in a few years, this game will fail and we nobody from "outside community" want to play.
Small community, not help, not good people oh god why...
Tell me,why did you even start your own FOnline project without any knowledge in coding or scripting?
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Skycast you said that making clean sdk is about few hours so why do not you do it and release public? Why everyone should repeat something few times if someone who already had did it can share. I can not understand! Maybe do you wanna pay for it? Get this $$$.
I will say why:
Not because i am greedy or something like this, for first i am thinking that cleaning sdk have good teaching moment and after this newbie developer will understand how all this shit works. And for second, wtf are you mean by clean sdk? for one guy it is just without russian dialogs/quests for second without maps, for third is empty engine even without main scripts...
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I will say why:
Not because i am greedy or something like this, for first i am thinking that cleaning sdk have good teaching moment and after this newbie developer will understand how all this shit works. And for second, wtf are you mean by clean sdk? for one guy it is just without russian dialogs/quests for second without maps, for third is empty engine even without main scripts...
It is without tla content I mean that is: no quests, maps, items, dialogs, only basic fallout stuff. I think not everyone want to repeat hunred times the same action.
Tell me,why did you even start your own FOnline project without any knowledge in coding or scripting?
I do not develop big game with full of scripts and quests.
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What I've learned from my job experience as a programmer: If you don't know how a program or application works (or be new to the whole system or code language), you gotta painfully teach it to yourself bit by bit. The original creator of the program will not deny help, but he won't babysit you through the entire process of what you are doing, nor will he describe or teach his program to you bit by bit.
First it sounds like a dickmove from his side, but if you yourself have created things that you spend years on, you don't just wanna be a walking lexicon for any random dude either.
You need to learn how FOnline works bit by bit for yourself and not demand teaching classes by experienced people. So there is enough help, but they only can show you the path to the mountain, not piggyback-ride you to the top.
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Help? FOnline? please... they expect you to discover everything yourself..
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What is missing is a real manual and a truckton of tutorials.
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I thought of creating a guide, but I don't have the time. :'(
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Adding some of the newcomers in this thread, sorry for the delay.
Also added this:
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/the-tangut-prophecy-fonline-rpg-historical-fiction-12th-century-china.80544/#post-2495403
(http://s20.postimage.org/xhrtx5925/Dongxiangdian.jpg)
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chinese history fallout.
I WANT IT. NOW.
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looks great. cant really belive its based on fonline sdk! :)
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Do want
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Thx not to forget us next time, Surf ;)
FOnline: Ashes of Phoenix
www.fonline-aop.net
EDIT : it would be nice to clear dead projects as well, and jokes like Pokemon edition too.
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it would be nice to clear dead projects as well, and jokes like Pokemon edition too.
They are part of FOnline history!1
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That's right. Then maybe, dividing the list between active and inactive projects would be useful. So that readers are not totally lost when checking the list.
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Just noticed that some links aren't working. Are they broken?