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Title: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: AHS-9 on August 21, 2010, 09:12:32 pm
As most players know by now, a large banning procedure was put in motion yesterday. A total of 941 characters (hardly 60% or 80% of the characters, as stated by several people) were banned from the server, every single one of them were proven beyond reasonable doubt to be logged in while using a third party tool that is in violation of the server rules (most importantly an anti-antialt feature). Next time someone uses a third party tool, they should know exactly what it does.

In addition, not all of the cheating accounts were banned. Yet. Since the practice of using cheating software has not ceased, a new of wave of bannings is likely to occur soon. And it need not to be the last one.

The list of banned accounts is available here (http://pastebin.ca/1922198).
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Vault Boy on August 22, 2010, 05:48:22 am
What's an anti-antialt feature?
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: dskpnk on August 22, 2010, 06:28:32 am
Ban cheaters that is all i can said !

Good job ! an empty server is better than a cheater server ... or not !

But cheaters are so pathetic ...

THX !
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Michaelh139 on August 22, 2010, 06:31:33 am
Its about god damn time...  (No offence)  Good friggin work guys.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Enzo on August 22, 2010, 09:25:30 am
+1

funny to see how many PKs has been banned for cheating... someone must be really lame to kill bluesuits while having über-stuff and still has to cheat...
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Muhammad Ali on August 22, 2010, 10:55:55 am
So many russians  :D
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: farnak on August 22, 2010, 10:56:43 am
forum warriors so forum
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Saumax on August 22, 2010, 11:35:27 am
almost 1k accounts, pretty big deal
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: runboy93 on August 22, 2010, 11:37:36 am
almost 1k accounts, pretty big deal
But right for cheaters. They deserve it.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Saumax on August 22, 2010, 11:45:45 am
good thing im too lazy to use multilogs ;D
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: DonGizmo on August 22, 2010, 12:46:23 pm
and now is server cured. everything is alright now, lest enjoy the gameplay we lost because of cheaters.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Saumax on August 22, 2010, 12:56:25 pm
gizmo its look like you stared play just yesterday...
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Ned Logan on August 22, 2010, 01:21:54 pm
Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am.
Otto: That's bullshit. You're a white suburban punk just like me.
Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIaS0lh-uo
cool movie :)
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Hololasima on August 22, 2010, 03:02:10 pm
Its funny how everyone saying "Ohh server is cured, damn good job"

 You really think that it was some tragic lost for those who using some programs on aim ? Sorry, if yes then you are big dreamer  8)

BURN THEM !!!
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Winston Wolf on August 22, 2010, 03:07:03 pm
Its funny how everyone saying "Ohh server is cured, damn good job"

 You really think that it was some tragic lost for those who using some programs on aim ? Sorry, if yes then you are big dreamer  8)

BURN THEM !!!

Well those guys seem to take the game pretty serious if they have to use such programs and open 300 threads about it.

FOnline 2238. It's serious business.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Nilf-GaaRd on August 22, 2010, 04:38:02 pm
Cool.Suffering. ;D
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Quentin Lang on August 22, 2010, 04:43:23 pm
So much PvP and PK hate, so little experience... Great work, FO community. Great work.
But i anyway guess this is a minor hiccup for PvP players; getting new chars is a matter of hours.
And before someone calls me a pathetic cheater, wich is very likely to happen, im letting you know, i didnt loose a single fucking char in this... 'needed' ban wave.
I dont really see how this fixed anything except fun for a day or two and caused major amusement.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Winston Wolf on August 22, 2010, 05:03:02 pm
So much PvP and PK hate, so little experience... Great work, FO community. Great work.
But i anyway guess this is a minor hiccup for PvP players; getting new chars is a matter of hours.
And before someone calls me a pathetic cheater, wich is very likely to happen, im letting you know, i didnt loose a single fucking char in this... 'needed' ban wave.
I dont really see how this fixed anything except fun for a day or two and caused major amusement.

It should not fix anything, it should show that the devs won't tolerate such behaviour.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Dark Angel on August 22, 2010, 05:48:59 pm
I love it ! Fair play guys ! none of my 20 char have ban , Other player cant play without cheat like me ? :(
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Glave on August 22, 2010, 06:00:49 pm
I love it ! Fair play guys ! none of my 20 char have ban , Other player cant play without cheat like me ? :(

202. DUZASUKAB

Scumbag.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Saumax on August 22, 2010, 06:10:02 pm
Well those guys seem to take the game pretty serious if they have to use such programs and open 300 threads about it.

FOnline 2238. It's serious business.

+1

its true players take game too seriously
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Imprezobus on August 22, 2010, 07:38:08 pm
well, I have to say that these bans are a BIG surprise for me, as Ive been banned during my holidays, bout 700 miles from my home, after few days without touching any computer. Deeply interesting.

I am not angry or anything, because Im sure that this ban is a result of a mistake.

First of all, there's no reason which could make me banned for using third party software, as Im not cheating. Seriously. Im even fighting in TC with lvl 19 char for few months, because with "upgrades" it becames boring. Can prove that, not a problem.

Also.

Ive reviewed list of banned characters and Ive found only one of mines, which is funny as its old, RP-based one.
Im talking about Imprezobus, which is pretty old (existing from two wipes, with own history, loved and hated, good one I must say)

No more of my characters were banned (I have only one ready (lvl 19:D) combat char which I could use cheats with).
Together with my char I see Imprezjebus (not mine and offensive) banned.

As Ive said, for such time Ive played, for such style of playing - Ive became pretty hated. It was nobilitating somehow, seeing how people which deserved respect liked me (most of em) while those, who I wouldnt even call scums (poor scums would be offended) hate me pretty much : >

I am pretty sure that Its a mistake made because names were look-a-likes.
The guy who owns Imprezjebus was also banned on my eyes on other chars (after being killed by me he said he's gonna go on combat char, *off* *warp*) :D

Id make this on PM, but I dont want to interrupt the nonresponsible people.
I have to ask the one who banned to review this situation and my problem on PM.

Also, bout the cheat removing from game: good job : >
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: JovankaB on August 22, 2010, 11:22:08 pm
Maybe you shared this character with someone?
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Imprezobus on August 23, 2010, 01:29:57 am
Last time I shared account was peroid when Ive been member of LAW.
During that peroid, most of members had acces to most of accounts, I could still raid their base with like 5 characters : >
After LAW... stopped their activity, and Ive turned to BBS I keep my accounts separate from everyone. Its impossible that my account were on use during that peroid. Also, as Ive stated - this character has no combat purpose as BBS isnt using TB mode. So, If Id do anti-anti-alting - my other characters would be banned to, at least one. I found none.

Well, half of my friends irl knows my basic password, it goes this same with most of my 2238friends and some of my 2238enemies :p
Some of my friends knows my 2nd security lvl password (which should be highest, used for mail, msn-alikes, fuckbooks etc)
For Fonline Ive developed 3rd security lvl password, which I havent shared.

This situation reminds me eight LAW brothers.
We had 8 characters called Iguana Bill (Iguana Bill, Iguana BiLL, Lguana BiLl etc).
Only one of them left LAW and switched to BBS. Calling rest "traitors" would be just pathetic.
Having Imprezobus (me) banned together with Imprezjebus (name offensive against me) is a nice joke. At start.
Now its just a mistake, which I try to explain : >
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Hololasima on August 23, 2010, 01:35:19 am
Cheater defending his behavior !

How disgusting !
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Ox-Skull on August 23, 2010, 05:18:50 am
Cheater defending his behavior !

How disgusting !

Yes, its funny.

I think Imprezobus should get the goerge bush seal.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Wichura on August 23, 2010, 06:59:24 am
The strangest thing in "ban wave" is I have one char banned so far - 1 lvl "quartermaster", who never left his cave after being led there. He was hardly "abused" by proxy connection though, everytime I needed to add new player to this "kindergarten" cave base, so maybe this is the reason. Bases management system sucks by the way, each base requires his own "quartermaster".
Anyway all of my chars were using such "cheating" features as autorunning or displaying HPs above critters heads (sorry for disappointing, but no autoaim - I use Fast Shot trait, which, so far, isn't cheating :>), and as long as it's forbidden, I'm surprised of not having ban for them. Lucky bastard, am I?
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Ox-Skull on August 23, 2010, 08:44:56 am
To all aimbotters, stop smoking so much drugz, and ur reaction time will be better.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Imprezobus on August 23, 2010, 08:45:12 am
Cheater defending his behavior !

How disgusting !

well, yep, as I found out autorun feature is an anti-anti-alt hack, well, then I am a cheater.
Otherwise I am not, and Id gladly see people who isnt in the topic to shut their damn mouths.

List of my characters using Autorun and Autoaim+Fastshoot:

Imprezobus (killed already without being able to end LONG RP)
Lmprezobus
Imprezabus
Lmprezabus
Lguana BiLL
Craftobus
Ammobus
Bombobus
Imprezofiut

come on and do your job properly : >
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Hololasima on August 23, 2010, 08:47:17 am
The strangest thing in "ban wave" is I have one char banned so far - 1 lvl "quartermaster", who never left his cave after being led there. He was hardly "abused" by proxy connection though, everytime I needed to add new player to this "kindergarten" cave base, so maybe this is the reason. Bases management system sucks by the way, each base requires his own "quartermaster".
Anyway all of my chars were using such "cheating" features as autorunning or displaying HPs above critters heads (sorry for disappointing, but no autoaim - I use Fast Shot trait, which, so far, isn't cheating :>), and as long as it's forbidden, I'm surprised of not having ban for them. Lucky bastard, am I?

Its strange for many people. I dont have BAN for character what used FOCD too. Many people have BAN and never use FOCD.

BURN THEM !
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: STONEBALLS on August 23, 2010, 10:05:10 am
Hi!

Just want to mention that some Linux-users for banned. Mb because of WINE or smthng.


TLA is shaking!    Yeah damm
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: RestarT on August 23, 2010, 01:25:18 pm
It's funny like everyone says:cheaters destroyed our gameplay but when did you noticed they were ''cheating''? When they got banned. Before baning you didn't know that there are some ''cheaters'' in game but now you are all yeling like little kids that these as*holes were ruining your game. Yes for noobs is game better because most of '' cheaters'' were PKs. So yes game is better for now but now because cheaters was banned but because PKs was banned...

Everyone who had something to do with TC knew they were things like auto aim but we weren't crying on forum like: This guy has auto aim BAN him! Because if everyone with cheat get banned, there are any people to TC fights...

And no I'm not cheater, I haven't got banned any of my chars so I'm some kind of neutral person here...
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Solar on August 23, 2010, 01:36:27 pm
Quote
Everyone who had something to do with TC knew they were things like auto aim but we weren't crying on forum like: This guy has auto aim BAN him! Because if everyone with cheat get banned, there are any people to TC fights...

No, they were doing it on IRC in PMs :P
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2010, 01:41:24 pm
I am going to do some science here, stand back.

If you've been banned on one character, it's reasonable to assume they just looked up your IP and banned all characters on that same IP.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: OskaRus on August 23, 2010, 01:44:11 pm
I think baning have happend mostly to fast-reloggers. On my opinion the anti-anti-alt feature is the only concern here and that feature should be definitely serverside. I doubt that it is possible to detect someone using aimbot or quckslots. As I have stated in my later suggestion aimbot is not cheat but missing feature. Devs would save hell of a time by just including that "cheating" third party tools in distribution especially when they are planning to develop them anyway. I also commit heresy by saying that key bindable quickslots are included in every MMO as basic feature.

That extremely evil cheating tools (always run for example) also just makes game more comfortable to play. They dont change stats of your character, they dont chage stats of anything important ingame. They just eliminates some useless bothering clicking ordeals to get stimpack or to make quick aimed shot. I would be glad if someone would explain me how those tools ruin game.

Yes I used those "cheats" in PvP TC and PvE and I never fast relogged.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2010, 01:48:46 pm
I would be glad if someone would explain me how those tools ruin game.

They give you an advantage over people that don't have them.

I agree that these most of these features should be introduced. But that doesn't mean using a third party tool to get the same effect is fine - you're breaking the rules and shafting people who don't have them. Pretty much all there is to it.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: OskaRus on August 23, 2010, 02:02:19 pm
They give you an advantage over people that don't have them.

That "advantage" thing is highly overrated it wont make your char bulletproof neither William Tell neither better player. It primary makes the gametime more efective by eliminating some boring uncreative actions. (holding shift everytime, looking for stim in inv) Anybody can have it and as u have seen from ban count, everybody had it. Even better combat interface gives u advantage over someone who is so lazy not to get one. And (heresy warning) other MMOs got a lot of third party stuff allowed and widely used.

You're breaking the rules and shafting people who don't have them

Yes I agree that it is a rule violation. But in that scale, doesn't it says something about this rule? And I strongly disagree by shafting people. Unchecked PKs shafts people either cheating or not. I played in Anti PK gang and we vere mostly fighting those shafters.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Surf on August 23, 2010, 02:13:08 pm
We had this discussion already several times.
Just face the fact that it's not allowed to use it. By using the game you attach yourself to some rules.
People who've broken the rules got some punishment. It's not that hard to understand actually and yet people still try to discuss it everywhere.  ::)
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Hololasima on August 23, 2010, 02:19:57 pm
We had this discussion already several times.
Just face the fact that it's not allowed to use it. By using the game you attach yourself to some rules.
People who've broken the rules got some punishment. It's not that hard to understand actually and yet people still try to discuss it everywhere.  ::)

I dont know why YOU always repeating that its was against rules and blahblah. Everyone know it ... OskaRus know it too dear Surf.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Surf on August 23, 2010, 02:22:13 pm
Because rules aren't meant to be discussed? And because so many "discussions" came up lately?
That's why I said we don't need more people complaining "Well, ACTUALLY it's not really a cheat!!11" etc.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Hololasima on August 23, 2010, 02:32:56 pm
Rules can be discussed. We cant only broke them.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: OskaRus on August 23, 2010, 02:52:15 pm
Because rules aren't meant to be discussed?

Evidently there must be something wrong. With the rules or their application, which "made" (I actually started using those cheats after realizing that everybody uses them) so many people to break those rules. It might be some missing features of interface. :-) But it is just opinion of medicore player.

This discussion may be dealth with in the suggestions section. http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=8342.0 (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=8342.0)
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: gordulan on August 23, 2010, 02:59:26 pm
I have to say, I've never really had any want to use those programs, I don't really see a point in using them, and yes, as surf solar pointed out, you commit yourself to rules when you start playing the game, breaching them is like breaching a pissed off bear, if you never know who might get his ass mauled(banned) for breaching the bear (rules)
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Hydro on August 23, 2010, 03:16:09 pm
Ok, now I remembered how one of mmo ended. Some people where using as you are saying "shortcuts" it was banned, but after some time they implemented it in original client. PvP fights where only based on how much have you healing stuff and how fast you can click hotkey. This thing didn't reduced cheaters number- normal players left game, because of changes and attitude. At the end game was filled with bots and cheaters.

What I want to say is that, shortcuts eliminates competition and won't reduce cheats, because if devs allowed to use one thing they expect they will allow rest or not punish for it
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: DonGizmo on August 23, 2010, 03:42:03 pm

What I want to say is that, shortcuts eliminates competition and won't reduce cheats, because if devs allowed to use one thing they expect they will allow rest or not punish for it

 Nonsense, BG have big advantage because they dont need to aim, just one click to burst.. Fallout was created as a Turn Based one. I think that you should be able to use your player skill/ character advantages/ gun advantages instead of fast clicking..
 
 Another reason why integrate aiming system: if you want variety in PvP (builds), you need to integreta fast swich between single shot and burst, because only in that way, players who use gun in 2 of its modes can kill enemy with better gun.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Hydro on August 23, 2010, 03:48:01 pm
Nonsense, BG have big advantage because they dont need to aim, just one click to burst.. Fallout was created as a Turn Based one. I think that you should be able to use your player skill/ character advantages/ gun advantages instead of fast clicking..
But don't you think rest of "shortcuts" affects actually bg chars? All time running, stims on shortcuts
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: DonGizmo on August 23, 2010, 03:53:09 pm
But don't you think rest of "shortcuts" affects actually bg chars? All time running, stims on shortcuts

 All time running is only way how to make unarmed or melee chars more competitive.

 Stims and drug shortcuts is hell good idea how to enable classic patrol in cities.. Without this, you are to afraid to enter city without drugs effect, because you will have not enouth time to use your needed drugs. After this, you are able, because you are quick.

 Wrote that you want, but i think that only smart reason why is this aimer banned is because of it penetrate Fonline game and network code. Other ways were making little more online game from obsolete TB fallout interface.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Chiko on August 23, 2010, 04:36:49 pm

 Stims and drug shortcuts is hell good idea how to enable classic patrol in cities.. Without this, you are to afraid to enter city without drugs effect, because you will have not enouth time to use your needed drugs. After this, you are able, because you are quick.

Well, i never used any third party tools but this is actually a great idea and i hope it gets implemented with the next update. Seriously, the usability of the interfact is just horribly outdated (even Diablo 1 has shortcuts for potions and this game is from 1997!!) and uncomfortable. Also Gizmos argument is valid, using drugs or stimpacks takes too much time which can and will cause certain death in situations described above. So i really hope we will see those shortcuts ingame for those who dont want to use thirdparty tools.

Kind regards

Chiko
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: dskpnk on August 23, 2010, 04:37:47 pm
Great to ban cheater before wipe ! I suggest yo dev to check it at the begining of th next session in order to ban them !

The better will be to ban an ip untill next wipe if a cheater is taken ! A lvl 21char can be done in a day ....
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: TuX on August 23, 2010, 09:08:51 pm
There's no point to ban a certain ip cause dynamic ip numbers are quite common now days.

And IMHO the explenation that "I used cheats because everybody uses them" is one of the lamest excuses there are. I mean that's the same like "I download movies/games because everybody does that". If you say this now, why not use it later? I didn't want to kill him but everybody kill people so that is ok for me to do so.
Grow up men.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: ISn2 on August 23, 2010, 09:37:46 pm
IP?! Did anyone heard about MAC address? I can get it even via web browser, so there is no problem to get it via low-level language...
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: dskpnk on August 24, 2010, 06:05:01 pm
And Mac adress is unique !

But i heard that 70% of people are cheating so we need a comunity, Fonline is a beta at the moment !
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: OskaRus on August 24, 2010, 07:54:06 pm
Mac adress can be easily masked and faked especially in linux.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Heckler Spray on August 24, 2010, 10:54:33 pm
All time running is only way how to make unarmed or melee chars more competitive.

 Stims and drug shortcuts is hell good idea how to enable classic patrol in cities.. Without this, you are to afraid to enter city without drugs effect, because you will have not enouth time to use your needed drugs. After this, you are able, because you are quick.

 Wrote that you want, but i think that only smart reason why is this aimer banned is because of it penetrate Fonline game and network code. Other ways were making little more online game from obsolete TB fallout interface.
Well, in my opinion, more and more shortcuts will lead to less and less strategy, cause everybody will have the same powerbuild and will do the same thing : click here and push 2 keys (reload and use stimpack)... PvP will lose a lot of interest.
Yeah, the interface needs improvements cause of the real time thing, but it doesn't mean devs should make a Post Nuclear Diablo (I know they won't, fortunately).

(sorry for off topic)
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Sius on August 25, 2010, 06:59:59 am
Well, in my opinion, more and more shortcuts will lead to less and less strategy, cause everybody will have the same powerbuild and will do the same thing : click here and push 2 keys (reload and use stimpack)... PvP will lose a lot of interest.
Yeah, the interface needs improvements cause of the real time thing, but it doesn't mean devs should make a Post Nuclear Diablo (I know they won't, fortunately).

(sorry for off topic)


Shortcuts don't have negative effect on strategy in any way, actually they improve them (we are able to execute strategies that are unthinkable without shortcuts). And lack of some alternative ways how to fight is games fault. I absolutely agree with DonGizmo. There is nothing wrong with FOCD features (if we ignore dual log support) other than it messes up with 2238 codes and stuff.
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: Pandemon on August 25, 2010, 07:18:26 am
There is nothing wrong with FOCD features but there is something wrong in actual PvP.
There is 0 tactic, just win the stronger, no chances for small groups, if you don't have players advantage over opponent gang there wont be fight.
Also now it just looks like "Shot! Shot! Stop thinking! JUST SHOT and make ur brain useless!".
As for me fights became boring this way.
I miss F:Tactics and their features...  ::)
Title: Re: Concerning the recent bans
Post by: skejwen on August 25, 2010, 08:40:13 am
This leads to nowhere, there is clear statement about using 3rd party "helpers".

/locked