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"My Follower(s) is running around in circles like he is having an asthama attack and needs attention."
Solution: alt+stop all actions.
"My Follower(s) is attacking everything on sight wtf?"
Solution: talk to, attack style, Don't attack till you get hit.
"My follower(s) keep disappearing into no where and won't follow orders."
Solution: Same thing as first problem but the way you are connected to followers is by perception. You have to be seeing them and giving the order "Stop all actions" at the same time.
"My follower(s) doesn't follow orders correctly, I tell him to attack High Priority but he just ignores it."
Solution: No real answer but to keep trying, mercs tend to have a mind of their own in a fight... Also when a new npc or player joins the fight against you, all attack orders are reset for some reason.
"My follower(s) won't follow when I tell him/her to automove. wtf?"
Solution: You probably told your follower to "Stay here" in conversation mode, which causes the follower to completely ignore the "automove" command completely for some reason. Just tell him/her to "Move to" somewhere or just tell him/her to follow in conversation.
"My follower(s) NEVER listen to commands in Turn-Based combat, this sucks."
Solution: No solution, your just plain fucked.. besides, mercs are wayyyyyy more useful in RT, trust me.
"My Big gun follower(s) keep shooting and killing me wasting all that time and money etc... this is bs."
Solution: Yes it is bullshit how shitty the AI is with BIG GUNS and friendly fire, but hey, I'm sure its on their top priority list, so just sweat it out with some smallgun followers till then, or just go lone with it and make sure to move it where it cant shoot you from where its at. The "Move to" command is thar and works pretty well in RT. Always better to use High priority though since they run...
"My follower just stands there in a doorway not doing anything and getting tagged as blocker and killed, what teh foo man?"
Solution: Two things: 1. Your follower simply stopped there at the wrong moment and time and you didnt move far enough in the building for him to come inside, just be more cautious. 2. Someone was in the way and when there is no alternate route the AI gets fucked up and just sits there even when the person/thing blockin the way moves he'll still be "Brain fucked", so be more cautious with this too....
My follower(s) constantly say "He seems to be busy" when I talk to him but he is just standing there, he isn't doing anything..."
Solution: There are a couple different scenarios as to how this can happen, usually from it being blocked from going through the only door of a building or vice versa, but either tell him stop all actions or "Move to, then stop all actions". If that doesn't work call a gm. But don't expect it to be immediate so if your merc is too valuable to lose I suggest placing any other followers in defense postions and hold out as long as possible. Btw if your follower is right in the doorway trying using the push action.
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Good one, but you should format the text a bit more. ;)
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Just that it is a bit more readable. ;)
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Please edit your first post :
A bug doesn't need solution, a bug needs to be fixed.
A problem has to have a solution, like :
"My Follower(s) is running around in circles like he is having an asthama attack and needs attention."
Solution: alt+stop all actions.
If you want to make a followers bugs' list, do it in Bugs part (and no need to post a solution with them) ; if you want to make a tutorial for newcomers to learn to control their mercs, post this list as a tutorial and remove bugs that are waiting for a fix, and if you want to post a list of mercs' problems (lack of features) with solutions, do it too. But not the three at once =)
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Please edit your first post :
A bug doesn't need solution, a bug needs to be fixed.
A problem has to have a solution, like :
If you want to make a followers bugs' list, do it in Bugs part (and no need to post a solution with them) ; if you want to make a tutorial for newcomers to learn to control their mercs, post this list as a tutorial and remove bugs that are waiting for a fix, and if you want to post a list of mercs' problems (lack of features) with solutions, do it too. But not the three at once =)
I know they need to be solved but since these bugs are so old and haven't been solved yet might as well post some solutions in the meantime... Also I put it in Suvival Guides/Game Help because this is exactly what that is, survival guide to being charisma character and Game Help due on how to solve problems when controlling AI. But if you must send this topic to Bugs I'm sure plenty of people will use the search engine and see this, just not as many.
Good one, but you should format the text a bit more. ;)
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Soon to be fixed. :P
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It's good as it is now. I updated topics' title. If you keep this up to date, it will get a sticky (o/).
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Updated.
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Text is not readable. Red and green text on a grey wall is not very good combination. Please, try to use other colors or bold/italic/underline tools.
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Text is not readable. Red and green text on a grey wall is not very good combination. Please, try to use other colors or bold/italic/underline tools.
It's not grey it is black... very easy to read for me :/
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It's not grey it is black... very easy to read for me :/
Text is not readable. Red and green text on a grey wall is not very good combination. Please, try to use other colors or bold/italic/underline tools.
Although I have to say it looks more like a mix of black and grey it is very easy for me to read also and none of the moderators have complained about it thus far so it'll stay as it is for now.
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Definitively dark gray. ;)
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Definitively dark gray. ;)
Much better description ;D.
Btw I added another bug/solution.
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if the folower is near you and movement is set to auto and you told him to stay close,move a hex,he will move in the same hex you where standong,and now you can talk to him
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Any new Problems with AI lately guys?
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Updateedd ;D.
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Sticky.
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Updated.
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Any new Problems with AI lately guys?
You've got to be kidding me :P They are TOTALLY uncontrollable in TB! I've spent hours trying to figure out some flaws in their behaviour until I've realised that all their AI in TB is just a one huge flaw. There is no common sense at all in the way they react to commands. If someone has figured out what makes them do what they do and the way to counter that-please share your knowledge.
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"My follower(s) NEVER listen to commands in Turn-Based combat, this sucks."
Solution: No solution, your just plain fucked.. besides, mercs are wayyyyyy more useful in RT, trust me.
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Good one, but you should format the text a bit more. ;)
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Are you kidding?
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:-* First thing we need is to start with a slaver build. The slaver build will be pretty different for every role you wanna play in the game. Let me show some basic builds.
Standard pistol guy build (I took a perk here that's especially useful when you're taking Ghoul Crazies with sniper rifles.)
This guys doesn't crit much and does not have super duper damage, but he can shoot up to five times before having to "reload" his AP. If you wish you can remove two points from agi and add them to perception, it will increase your sight range a lot, for cost of attack speed.
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Just a little thing about followers in TB if you have one he usually follows the orders to move and attack quite well, don't know if I would have more what would happen since I can't have more then one also I'm giving him the orders in my turn.
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i was killed on random encounter but my slaves stayed alive - but i cant find them - are they still counted as my followers or not?
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i was killed on random encounter but my slaves stayed alive - but i cant find them - are they still counted as my followers or not?
if they dont respawn with you they probably died. If they use your merc limit you can write ~disbandparty to free it (all followers will be removed)
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Considering alot of updates have happened many of the previous problems have been fixed, so I have removed them. A few still remain however, and if anyone has found any new bugs and a possible solution to followers please post.
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What are all of the ALT + ____ hotkeys? They aren't even mentioned in the hotkey list(F1)!
I feel like I can save a lot more Brahmin if I hit the keys instead of alt clicking: flee. Not that it would matter too much, it seems completely random on if they'll rejoin your party when you leave the area.
What can I do to min/max my Brahmin's survival rate. Leave right before they do? Leave after they're completely gone? They're definitely not in combat when they leave, it's pretty frustrating for the game to completely shaft you with this- especially when you're moving high priority gear.
AND how do you tell them to never auto-attack? They only have basic dialogue. There should be a setting for auto-flee, for chrissakes.
When I got one back to my camp I was fiddling. I hit "stay" for the last time, about to log off, and it says NPC not found. A second passes and my cow completely vanishes. GOD
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That's a bug. Remember now that all critters from encounters disappear after 10 minutes? Apparently captured Brahmin and slaves do too, even if you leave the encounter. The only way to keep cows is to buy them the old fashion way.
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How do you know how many is in current party?
Accept for the Alt commands what other commands are there?
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~pp will tell you how many points are being taken up and how many you have total, AFAIK there is no way to tell how many slaves/brahmin you have with a command like that though.
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~pp will tell you how many points are being taken up and how many you have total,
I sound like a noob but where did you find that information?
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I sound like a noob but where did you find that information?
Wipe changelog.
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Just wandering about.
Does slaves with low Loyality also attack other players, or just their master ?
I am interrested in putting npcs in bases, not for defend it, just to increase population...
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Not sure if this is slave specific, but when im hunting in tb with my ghoul slaves every time I try to gather resources or loot a corpse they initiate tb combat mode and then walk one turns worth and end combat. It's extremely annoying, looting 7 corpses took me 4 minutes when it should have taken seconds. Do mercs have this problem as well?
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I have a problem with slaves and brahmin. When I enter a guarded area with slaves OR brahmin they are dead (killed by the guards) before I load in. Is this a bug or am I being an idiot and missing a simple solution?
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I have a problem with slaves and brahmin. When I enter a guarded area with slaves OR brahmin they are dead (killed by the guards) before I load in. Is this a bug or am I being an idiot and missing a simple solution?
It's a bug, which town is it? All towns?
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it has occurred at vault city main entrance, NCR main entrance, and the last time was NCR mine site.
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it has occurred at vault city main entrance, NCR main entrance, and the last time was NCR mine site.
Maybe you set them to attack anyone on sight, or probably you have bad rep
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Maybe you set them to attack anyone on sight, or probably you have bad rep
Both are highly unlikely as he is mentioned this has happened on several occassions, I highly doubt he is putting auto attack anyways because then he would also mention he is dying too, and that goes for the rep thing too.
I honestly don't know, I haven't experienced this myself. It's usually happening to everyone's followers, no isolated cases.
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I do have bad rep, but I have never set them to attack all, and I have never been killed after loading in.
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I have a problem with my companion.
He's really funny and nice but he doesnt want to fight.
In combat he just stands still and doesnt react even if hes almost dead, in rt i tried to use alt+order and all in vain.
I gave a proper weapon to him and about 10 bottles of nuka to make him fully loyal.
Yes, he praises me in conversation but in combat is absolutely useless.
any ideas ?
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I have a problem with my companion.
He's really funny and nice but he doesnt want to fight.
In combat he just stands still and doesnt react even if hes almost dead, in rt i tried to use alt+order and all in vain.
I gave a proper weapon to him and about 10 bottles of nuka to make him fully loyal.
Yes, he praises me in conversation but in combat is absolutely useless.
any ideas ?
You have to test them, like how much Acition points they have and Strength, and what weapons does he use?
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How should I perform such test ?
Companion says he uses flamers so i gave one to him.
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How should I perform such test ?
Companion says he uses flamers so i gave one to him.
to test action points, go into TB encounter, and hit him and tell him to flee, then when its his turn, count how many hexes he runs.
for ST, take away all from them, and give him heavy stuff like wood. then if he runs with 67 carry weight, he has 5 ST.
also, he probably has little AP and its 8 AP to shoot a BG for them
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Thanks man!
You were right, i gave him a shotgun and he seems to be able to "defend" me.
However Im totally disappointed.
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Thanks man!
You were right, i gave him a shotgun and he seems to be able to "defend" me.
However Im totally disappointed.
You can always disband him and find a better one, some just suck, some are perfect
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You can always disband him and find a better one, some just suck, some are perfect
and this is exactly what i did.
i have found a female and she is amazing with throwing knifes.
leveling is easier than ever now, all i do is finish dying m-molerats.
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The building Lord really invincible, thought very have routines.
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Any other towns they spawn, other than NCR, Hub, and Junktown? There's this guy with dozens of alts who keeps camping the normal places, I haven't seen a companion that wasn't a melee build in over a month, and the melee one was literally 1 in over a month...
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Yea they spawn in Den too. I was found 210hp BG in Becky Bar.
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Dang that's a bit outta my walk path for when I look for one but if it's the only way to get one that hasn't been scooped up by the camping noob, I don't have much choice. I wonder if BH or Redding has some too?
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I can check it. I got a lot time at night so i can camp and let you know. But i never saw companions in BH or Redding. Or i havent luck in this towns.
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Appreciate it, it will be helpful information for everyone, keep your eyes out though if this multi-alt Barman(#) guy has campers in those places, it means they probably do have companions, and that good luck getting them...
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May have been asked before somewhere else but: How to I get followers? I have a brahmin and THAT. IS. IT.
I went to broken hills and they didn't shoot me on sight for once, when I tried to buy an unarmed mutant for help killing geckos (I hate getting swarmed by 11 of the sods) he said no. I have 4 charisma and 34 speech. I know about follower points or whatever they are called, but is it because I have hit my follower limit, or because I just don't have enough points?
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check your pp by ~pp command. You nead to have at least free 70 pp to buy a mutant
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What the post above me said, also for a brief period having a brahmin even effected how many companions you could have. I don't know if it's fixed but check your ~pp first and if you have 70 and still can't try handing off your Brahmin to a friend for a sec then try again.
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brahmin takes up a follower slot not PP, with 4 cha he needs to get his speech up to get mercenaries.
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Ahhhh ok. yeah, added it up and it was about 51 PP.
For some reason the ~ command doesn't seem to work but I;ll try again
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Its just ~pp, if you take mentats you can hire one guy or take a 50 pp melee merc.