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About sneak.
RavenousRat:
--- Quote from: z0m2h14 on August 18, 2010, 10:56:19 am ---give sneakers penalty for holding weapon in hands, like 40-50% for BG/EW, 20-30% for smg/rifles, 10-20% for pistols, 10% for grenades (for each grenade in hands, lol :), and half penalty for inactive slot (second hand)
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Simple make weight impact much more than it's now, don't need to do something with BG or weapon or anything else at all in hands or other places of body.
Right now you can run with 2 miniguns and BA in inventory and have only -39% to your sneak. It looks like a joke.
Sius:
--- Quote from: RavenousRat on August 18, 2010, 11:09:26 am ---Simple make weight impact much more than it's now, don't need to do something with BG or weapon or anything else at all in hands or other places of body.
Right now you can run with 2 miniguns and BA in inventory and have only -39% to your sneak. It looks like a joke.
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Weight penalty sux and solves nothing. On the other side penalties for active slot seems much more viable solution. Also it could still make sneaking possible even for regular fight snipers or big gunners since they could keep weapons in inventory and equip them later.
Definitely way better combat solution than increasing weight penalties.
eBay:
lets think about it, how can someone sneak in the middle of a street? how can someoen sneak with 2 avengers and armors in his inventory? how can someone sneak 3 hexes from another guy and open fire ? how can someone loot stuff in the middle of a street ?
atm sneak is magic, must be nerfed and it must be done now, no loot, no weapon, huge penalties for weight,
RavenousRat:
--- Quote from: Sius on August 18, 2010, 11:21:40 am ---Weight penalty sux and solves nothing.
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--- Quote from: RavenousRat on August 17, 2010, 01:13:11 am ---So I may only suggest to get small limit of weight which won't give penalty to your carry weight at all, it'll be X (insert here number equal to Weight of Combat Knife+Weight of Leather Jacket+Little bonus for carrying something light) so X=0,9+3=~4+little bonus of 1=5 or 4.9, if your carry weight =<5 you have no penality to sneak, if >5 every 1 of weight will give you like -15% to your sneak skill, and if you carry more than 15 weight, you can't use skill at all.
Weight of plasma/frag grenade = 0.45 = ~0.5 if you're naked you can carry 5/0.5=10 or 11 grenades, 12th and next grenades will reduce your skill on 15%, leather jacket weight is 3, it's 11-6=5 grenades to be without penalty.
P90C's weight is 3.6 x24 10mm AP weight 0.432 = ~4 +0.4 for every other clip for gun. Naked with p90c and some rounds can still run without penalty.
LSW's weight is 9, it (9-5)x15=60% penalty already + 0.54 weight of every 30 .223 ammo so it's half for 15% penalty, so it'll be like 75% for LSW + 60 .223
Minigun is 12.7 = ~13 weight + 0.96 for every 120 5mm AP, so minigun + x1 clip = ~14 weight, it's 135% penalty... it's alot.
Picking up miniguns and LSWs from dead bodies of your friends will make you partly visible 'cause of big penalty to sneak skill, picking up alot stuff to have total >15 carry weight will remove you sneak skill at all, so you'll be totally visible.
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If say in short:
=<5 carry weight: your sneak skill = your sneak skill, you have no penalties, you can carry melee weapon and even jacket, you can carry grenades, pistol, smg, even rifle and have room for ammo to run with 0% penalty.
>5 && =<15 carry weight: every 1 weight after 5 will decrease sneak on 15%, you'll have little (for 330% sneak) penalty with LSW and some ammo, slight penalty for minigun. If you use jacket+hunting rifle+~40 .223 ammo you'll have penalty of ~30% to your sneak, it's not that much, if you're in bluesuit, then you'll not suffer penalty at all, because your carry weight will be less than 5.
>15 carry weight: your sneak disabled, picking up few miniguns, sniper/laser rifles and metal armor from dead bodies and then run without being noticed?
With this system you still can use grenades, rifles and even LSW, you'll not bother exploiting your main hand slots by equiping and unequiping items when need, you simply will not carry items which can supply an army of people in inventory and being unnoticed at the same time. And you still can be invisible with most x1 weapon (not few more weapons in inventory) and ammo for it.
P.S. Also leather jacket should give bonus to sneak to partly or totally negate it's weight, and if you use jacket and have less than 5 carry weight (jacket has 3 itself) it should improve your sneak with this little bonus beyond 300%, because it's not serious to see bluesuiters-only in sneak with this system.
Sius:
--- Quote from: eBay on August 18, 2010, 11:39:48 am ---lets think about it, how can someone sneak in the middle of a street? how can someoen sneak with 2 avengers and armors in his inventory? how can someone sneak 3 hexes from another guy and open fire ? how can someone loot stuff in the middle of a street ?
atm sneak is magic, must be nerfed and it must be done now, no loot, no weapon, huge penalties for weight,
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How can someone survive 10 hits in the head with sledge hammer?
Its game not reality and mele chars should have their place in combat too and sneak seems like the best way how to achieve that.
2 RavenousRat: Ah I see that now :).
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