Other > Closed suggestions
GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
Flick:
Who watch the watchman? in devs we trust ;)
GM are human so they may make a mistake (and no one want lynch they for this), but they are human so a bit of control is needed
--- Quote ---No way would anyone outside staff members ever have access to log files.
If you do that, you open your doors wide for cheaters and exploiters as you give them all the information needed on how to prevent detection.
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I agree then think something different
I support
--- Quote ---as a compromise for log access I think GMs should have access to commands logs of other GMs, so we could control each other.
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I thank the GM for the work they do, and pity them because they lose the better part of the fun of the server
HertogJan:
--- Quote from: ISn2 on July 19, 2010, 03:19:07 am ---We all agree that the problem is in too big GM abilities... Publishing of game logs is not very good idea - it wont prove everything. We have some problems with cheaters I mean - fast re-logs, dual logs, bots - if developers solve this few problems, there is no need to give GM's rights to ban players. A lot of people use FR and DL, and any of GM cant do anything about it, in some cases they catch and jail few noobs like BrowarPL, but they cant catch them all - because its technical impossible. If GM/Dev's cant fully solve the problem of FR and DL - we need to legalize it. No law prohibiting - no banning. Why GM have uber sneak? There is no need to give them this ability, no sneak - no spying during TC. Why all (ok almost all) GM's have abilities to spawn any items, there is no need to give them such power - Nah nah, wee need items as a prize in events - so let the Dev's to spawn some valuable goods, so they known - when, why, how much and for what purpose...
@down Im not whining about spying Im just writing how we can solve it... Less rights - less accusations - less whining.
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I and many others aren't complaining.
Personally I'm looking at this from a positive point of view meaning I assume GMs won't abuse their powers.
To err is human, so it will occasionally happen but not as frequent and structured as is suggested by some people.
As for GM's powers, I think they have what they need in order to do their jobs properly.
Yes they should be able to (temporarily) ban players, spawn items etc.
You're looking at this at from a player's point of view.
You forget GM's also test stuff like new features, organize events, etc. in which it's useful for them if they're able to spawn items.
We can all think of some (realistic) ways to detect part of the dual logging and fast relogging.
Like you said and I have the same experience as admin, it's impossible to catch all cheaters simply because it's technologically impossible.
Nevertheless you shouldn't legalize dual logging and fast relogging as it will destroy gameplay on the server.
As for TC, I have no experience with that, but personally I would watch it from time to time if I had the opportunity.
As for the accusations of spying for factions thing, I think it's exaggerated.
If you're right, think of this: what's preventing a GM from helping a befriended faction of raiding an opponents base or attacking them during traveling?
Exactly, nothing.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: HertogJan on July 19, 2010, 10:33:16 am ---If you're right, think of this: what's preventing a GM from helping a befriended faction of raiding an opponents base or attacking them during traveling?
Exactly, nothing.
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Not exactly nothing. Unlike some other GM misbehaviors mentioned earlier in this thread, this is serious and bears a pretty high risk of being caught in the act. Basically, if someone makes a screenshot of such a group going in, the GM is screwed. Anyway, I remember a GM threatening to raid BBS base like that if we keep our "awful PK attitude" going, so ;D
--- Quote from: Heckler Spray on July 19, 2010, 12:02:45 am ---Ideas 3 et 4 sound good, but where can we find this fair-minded guy ? We will never be agree to choose this guy...
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How about #3 being 3 guys from the major alliances? Everyone would be watching everyone else, it'd be both balanced and hard to rig because those people would have conflicting interests. I mean, it sort of hit me - why pretend that people don't have their own prejudices (for example Shangalar here calling everyone disagreeing with lack of GM control abusers) if we could simply use those prejudices to create a better environment?
Also, guys, this thread is not about who did what. Let's work with what we have instead of throwing smack in all directions.
So, let's recapitulate. #1 for the public is out of the question. Nobody cares about #2. #3 and #4 are widely accepted.
Things left to discuss here:
#1 - would access to GM logs for GMs and the three "watchdogs" be disagreeable with anyone?
EDIT, because I forgot:
- whenever a GM performs an action related to a player character, the aforementioned player receives a text message what exactly was changed, who did it and what the effect is.
#3 - would you agree to have 3 watchdogs each from one of the groups of the big three? I don't see how we could choose one and the selection should be balanced to keep things fair, so perhaps someone could offer another criteria if the ones I proposed aren't acceptable?
#4 - mostly everyone agrees it's okay, so should the development of server rules get its separate thread or should it be left to Devs and GMs?
Surf:
--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on July 19, 2010, 10:47:32 am ---
How about #3 being 3 guys from the major alliances? Everyone would be watching everyone else, it'd be both balanced and hard to rig because those people would have conflicting interests.
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So this is what you are aiming for? No way this would ever happen, as 1) no one in the team is really interested in gang issues at all, it just isn't important who is a "leader" of one "big gang". Also, this would lead to ENDLESS discussions, forum would be drownend in an infinite spamming wave. Seriously, if such thing would happen, I wouldn't "waste" my time here anymore, as I would have to click on "delete" every few minutes. Bad idea.
Shangalar:
--- Quote ---Skejwen - was a member of BBS and one of its founders before he became a GM, then he stopped playing his normal chars, whatever I write here: that he didn't spawn a single item for me, didn't change any skin for any of our chars, didn't help me in any other way - can be discarded by you, as there is no way for me to prove it
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Thanks for saying that. It's the same for us. Izual didnt even spawned a flower for us. When he became GM, he played with us several times with a normal char, acting like a simple solider following the lead. And he finally left the team officially, already to prevent false accusations of taking position in the fight.
And about me : I'm looking the fights, learning to make good videos at the moment. And, yeah, I'm hidden during the fight, but I often appear to congratulate winners of a big fight or so. I'm not for one special gang, I hate everyone except my gang, which is not involved a lot in TC, and doesnt need my help anyway to scoot or whatever, sneak is enough for them. Anyway, every time they ask for fun to me to make an abuse, I just dont care. They wont take profit from me, and afaik, Reddot and VSB for example do know it well already.
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