Other > Closed suggestions
GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on July 18, 2010, 07:44:02 pm ---Then the next thread (like this here) will be opened, to police the policemens policemen, better make some policemens policemens policemens then.
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GMs are recruited from the playerbase and as such react to the other players on an emotional level, have their own likes, dislikes, have a sense of belonging to specific player communities and are affiliated with some groups. This XYZ person could be from outside of the community because essentially, he or she would be just an office worker.
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on July 18, 2010, 07:44:02 pm ---People seem to forget, that GMs aren't robots, they are human. They can make mistakes such as everyone else. They don't share everytime the same opinion over ingame things neither. The only thing threads like these here are creating is general annoyance.
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No, threads like these are created because of the general annoyance.
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on July 18, 2010, 07:44:02 pm ---There is imo no need for publishing GM logs - as some people will scavenge these files frequently and will open threads if they find "something suspicious" - the next thread about so called "abuse" will be opened and the next wave of spam kicks in.
Also, in no other MMO GMs actions are published to the public - for a reason.
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No, they'd follow the procedure and send a complaint, probably using a form supplied by the devteam. Actually, making GM actions transparent and giving us a place to go with complaints and suspicions would reduce threads about abuse to nil.
Also, in no other MMO GMs are acting without supervision and clear rules to follow - for a reason.
Kilgore:
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on July 18, 2010, 07:44:02 pm ---Then the next thread (like this here) will be opened, to police the policemens policemen, better make some policemens policemens policemens then.
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That's why I repeated 2 times that it would be up to devs to choose the right person. Also, this choice wouldn't have to be permanent. Moreover, there is no problem if someone reports a GM 2 times MORE than he should, because devs will eventually filter it out anyway. The only problem is if he would cover up his GM friends.
--- Quote ---People seem to forget, that GMs aren't robots, they are human. They can make mistakes such as everyone else. They don't share everytime the same opinion over ingame things neither.
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That's why I said: "They just need to know what GMs can do and what they are allowed to do. "
If you make a mistake, you can always fix your fault. "Repetitive mistakes" shouldn't be tolerated, or having such GMs would be totally pointless (in my humble opinion, of course).
--- Quote ---The only thing threads like these here are creating is general annoyance.
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Not more than another "GM abuse" thread closed and junked.
--- Quote ---There is imo no need for publishing GM logs - as some people will scavenge these files frequently and will open threads if they find "something suspicious" - the next thread about so called "abuse" will be opened and the next wave of spam kicks in.
Also, in no other MMO GMs actions are published to the public - for a reason.
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No no, there is that XYZ person to handle all such stuff and then, all "GM abuse" threads would be closed and junked - with a reason. I thought it's obvious.
Also, comparing FOnline to any other MMO is rather stupid.
Well, I expected such a resistance from our precious Game Masters and I wondered if anything will change. We'll see :)
cerberix:
--- Quote from: Kilgore ---...then he finds that GM X did nothing but stood in NCR all day and teleported random people to Glow without any reason.
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Yeah you're right. Yesterday my friend was suddenly teleported to "block hex" and he can't come out. This is proof... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU4nrN0jv94
What is it? So gm is bored eh? You don't have what to do?
JovankaB:
--- Quote from: cerberix on July 18, 2010, 07:59:03 pm ---Yeah you're right. Yesterday my friend was suddenly teleported to "block hex" and he can't come out. This is proof... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU4nrN0jv94
What is it? So gm is bored eh? You don't have what to do?
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It's impossible to teleport players by GM to some world map tile. GM could summon you there in theory, but you would see his/her name on the team list.
Surf:
--- Quote from: Kilgore on July 18, 2010, 07:57:31 pm ---Well, I expected such a resistance from our precious Game Masters and I wondered if anything will change. We'll see :)
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What other thing should one expect from a suggestion like this?
Also, there isn't that much of a resistance, I said I wouldn't care about logs in public, others too.
It's just the tedious work which WILL come with something like this.
And yes, you say "just another thread locked" - it's not that we have anything better to do? I don't know what the others think about this, but I don't have a joy when I have to lock a thread or need to delete dozens of spam posts by everytime the same few troublemakers. You can safely assume that people will get tired of reading "abuse abuse" just because someone found a "suspicious" thing in the log, which is actually not a famous "GM abuse". Just look at cerberix' post stating another "abuse" as an example. For me it's ok because Real Life kicked in and I won't have that much time for the game in the next weeks. But I pity the others who have to read all this stuff everyday and everyday again.
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