Other > Closed suggestions

GM abuse counteraction, GM activity to be made transparent

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Kilgore:

--- Quote from: LeMark on July 19, 2010, 09:35:21 pm ---Nice Boat your solution will end in a huge war of GM vs Players, people will make accusation for all and nothing.

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They made accusations (from the very beginning of this open beta), they make accusations and they will make accusations. The more they do it, the less devs care about it. Because, yes, some players overreact and/or just paranoid. All we need is someone between players and devs, who will filter such things and report them to devs if necessary. No one has said about players interfering with GM actions or even punishing them (lol), as this would be ridiculous, yet every now and again someone comes up with "Oh my god they want to decide about GMs" stuff.

HertogJan:

--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on July 19, 2010, 09:17:29 pm ---I'm still waiting for anything constructive as to the main point of the discussion. If it doesn't appear, I will just assume that nobody minds and do my worst behind the scenes. I may succeed, I may fail - but honestly - is that the way we want things done here? Can't we be a community for a change when it comes to that? All I wanted was a bit of transparency, and yet I get a lot of barking, accusations of cheating and whatnot. Come on people. Nobody is going to be hurt. It's for the good of us all. I can't see how anyone can justify refusing this shit, and nobody did propose any other criteria for the GM controller appointments even though I asked. All we have here right now is stupid criticism and people who ultimately don't have anything to do with the issue trying to act all high and mighty. Why can't we solve it in a mature way?

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So as soon as people disagree with you it's not constructive?
If there's someone in this thread who isn't constructive it's you as you don't respond to arguments made by various people.
If people didn't care, they wouldn't be posting in this thread.
Some people judged you based upon your passed behavior, don't blame them if that doesn't turn out to be good for you.

1 more time: there is not 1 single game in which players have any level of control over GMs and this shouldn't be the first one.
I refuse to believe that there are GMs who are regularly harassing players from certain factions or just players in general.
Either you are paranoid or you have been punished for bad behavior.
Either way it's not a reason for such extreme measures.
I'm pretty sure if devs where under the impression the GMs are doing a bad job, they would have done something about it already.

Coming back to your points 1 more time:
1. Bad idea for a variety of reasons. GM logs should only be available to other GMs and to devs. Add a line to player logs when devs do certain actions to their accounts like teleporting, adding/removing/altering items, skin, etc. If players want to report GM behavior they need to add the logs and in the logs should be a time stamp of the in game time. No time stamp means the thread is moved to junk.

2. As mentioned already, virtually impossible.

3. This suggest there's a large amount of complaints about GM abuse and something is seriously wrong. i doubt that as there would be much more complaints about GM action than there are now. So far I've seen nothing more than a bunch of people whining about things they think happened.
Having 1 person from each major gang be part of this? No way. As I said before, bad behavior, for instance by your gang, should not be rewarded. If this is the path devs want to take, they should take an experienced player who doesn't have ties with GMs and major gangs. I'm sure there are few around. Hopefully 1 of them is willing in case devs want to do this.

4. A clear set of rules is okay, making things outside it unpunishable is an open invitation to using exploits (adding a rule about not using exploits won't change that).
Most important rule: behave and respect other people. If people follow this one up, most of the problems on the server would be gone.

Wipe:
Small things first.

--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on July 19, 2010, 07:26:51 pm ---How about cleaning it up instead since there's still legit discussion going on? I mean, does a thread have to be locked only because some people wish to ruin it because it disrupts their agenda? (...)
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As i understand, it's discussion between players and devs, about a group which is between them. Even if most of GMs are moderators here, this thread shouldn't be cleaned by any of them, to avoid river of "censorship" and "tyrany" tears. Every deleted post can be missed by devs, even if arguments are between 20 lines of flame. But it's only my private opinion.


--- Quote from: Kilgore on July 19, 2010, 08:50:16 pm ---(...) Still, I can't believe how someone could give such a troll like yourself moderating rights anywhere in this forum.

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RJ have moderator rights only on polish board and nowhere else... and it is a place for such questions. Once again, check your informations before posting anything.
Back to topic.


--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on July 19, 2010, 10:47:32 am ---How about #3 being 3 guys from the major alliances? Everyone would be watching everyone else, it'd be both balanced and hard to rig because those people would have conflicting interests.
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I'd like to know what makes you think that "major alliances" are only part of server that should decide what is good and what is bad in GMs actions? Please, don't feed me with "FOnline is about PEW PEW", i hear it long enough. And current 'Dialogs Competition' is small step to change this wrong thinking. Also, i doubt that PvE players, constantly killed by PvP heroes, will trust in judgement made by people who think of them as crying carebear shit with loot. I don't want to even mention that "major alliances" are first that will forget about "conflicting interests" just to kick some GM.

Second thing, how you want to choose this "major alliances"? And who will be the one to choose? Obviously not GMs. Devs does not track gang wars too, AFAIK. Who left? Gangs? Brave idea, decision will never be made. Poll on forum? It will not work. Maybe some random factions then? "OMG, abooze!"

...that's not a way.

Even if your suggestions are almost good, people who get info about GMs actions should stay like now. We know only few methods that are currently used to control our action (and logs are one of this). This can be expanded in great way, you just need some imagination and free time to write a code. Whatever it will be, it will be working best as long less people know about it. And you hardly find someone who want the game clean of any kind of corruption than devs. But first you must stop repeating that devs doesn't care about anything, and players are only group that worry about this game.

eBay:

--- Quote from: Wipe on July 20, 2010, 12:04:40 am ---
I'd like to know what makes you think that "major alliances" are only part of server that should decide what is good and what is bad in GMs actions? Please, don't feed me with "FOnline is about PEW PEW", i hear it long enough. And current 'Dialogs Competition' is small step to change this wrong thinking. Also, i doubt that PvE players, constantly killed by PvP heroes, will trust in judgement made by people who think of them as crying carebear shit with loot. I don't want to even mention that "major alliances" are first that will forget about "conflicting interests" just to kick some GM.

Second thing, how you want to choose this "major alliances"? And who will be the one to choose? Obviously not GMs. Devs does not track gang wars too, AFAIK. Who left? Gangs? Brave idea, decision will never be made. Poll on forum? It will not work. Maybe some random factions then? "OMG, abooze!"

...that's not a way.

Even if your suggestions are almost good, people who get info about GMs actions should stay like now. We know only few methods that are currently used to control our action (and logs are one of this). This can be expanded in great way, you just need some imagination and free time to write a code. Whatever it will be, it will be working best as long less people know about it. And you hardly find someone who want the game clean of any kind of corruption than devs. But first you must stop repeating that devs doesn't care about anything, and players are only group that worry about this game.

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well, big pvp factions are predators, the end of the food chain, most of the players end up in one of them, the most experienced and best players are members of those factions, we know more about the game than most of u, gms.

"But first you must stop repeating that devs doesn't care about anything,"

well most of the people here are talking about U GMS, in my opinion  "wipe" supposed to lose the gm right long time ago u never help, u always pretend you are away, if u come most of the time u harm people more than help them, look at the bottom of ur post
"There is nothing as demotivating as the players" dude stop being a gm, if thats what u belive,
there is another guy Izual but thats a different storry

Surf:

--- Quote ---u always pretend you are away
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Maybe you didn't know, but sometimes people are actually busy?
And if I was Wipe and would receive messages like the last one from you no wonder some people tend to "ignore" such messages.

And the "There is nothing as demotivating as the players" is not Wipe's sentence, it's a quote.

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