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gauvaran:
Making the first tent is very easy.
1. Make a HtH alt and go to NCR
2. Go to Mira bar, take the quest ==> get 100 caps
3. Read the bulletin board near the sheriff (Westin's hiring job)
4. Go to Westin ranch, take the Brahmin quest
5. Kill the Brahmin for hides, share with your other alt

TKs-KaBoom:

--- Quote from: gauvaran on December 14, 2012, 11:13:22 am ---Making the first tent is very easy.
1. Make a HtH alt and go to NCR
2. Go to Mira bar, take the quest ==> get 100 caps
3. Read the bulletin board near the sheriff (Westin's hiring job)
4. Go to Westin ranch, take the Brahmin quest
5. Kill the Brahmin for hides, share with your other alt

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Wouldn't that require logic and problem solving skills?

Brujah:

--- Quote from: OhShi on July 12, 2010, 11:48:43 am ---Hopefully the next update will bring:
1)Tutorial at start (unskippable to discourage alts)
2)Guarded and thief free starting areas, <level 6 only
3)Leveled wastelander encounter lists (you will not be able to encounter another wastelander more then 5 levels above or below your level)
4)Glitch free karma system, no more guards killing for no reason, no karma loss for shooting thieves
5)PKers and unprotected people marked ie "you see NewbieHelper (Newbie Killer) (Unprotected) (Thief)"
6)Choice of turnbased or realtime for every encounter (not just the ones outdoorsman catches)
7)Guards in shops should shoot thieves, why the hell does buster let people steal money from his customers?
8)Guarded HQ mine (guarded by BoS) in a very far away location, maybe by the glow.
9)Keep broken armor on player death (no more bluesuits running around)

It's a beta. So bare with it. Or don't.

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1) Nope, no such thing as discouraging alts until we have an extremely high level cap, and even with a char being able to do "everything" people would still have 2~3 alts, I'll keep my dozens of alts for now.

2) As much as harassment from bluesuit thief trolls is annoying, you'll just have to deal with it, if you don't want it robbed then don't take it out your tent, stealers gonna steal.

3) So I can't help random newbs or kill junior PKs anymore?

4) You can shoot thieves who get caught by the guards, just leave something heavy in your inventory like 10x uranium and wait until they fail.

5) No.

6) Sounds like too much work for minimal changes, if you're trying to avoid encounters you'll probably just run, if you're hunting you'll die, run or kill the stuff in enc, doesn't really change that much.

7) I'm pretty sure guards in shops have the same AI of common city guards, more work for minimal changes.

8 ) BoS doesn't care about wastelanders, getting HQ from unguarded mines isn't something extremely hard to do either.

9) With the short respawn time we have people would just abuse this to science broken armors for mats, and if you mean armors dissapearing along with their owners then forget about it, looting armors from the enemy is the 2nd funnier feature of PVP.



This game is easy for people who want it to be easy, sure it takes a while at first but most people who listen to other players usually have 1~3 functional alts and maybe even a base on the first month, which is enough to simply advance more and more.

Plenty of newbie helpers and newbie helping places like The Last Light, 10 minutes of research can lead him there to receive advice.


Even though I help lots of noobs, I don't usually care about newbies who won't listen to others and insist on hybrid Mad Max builds, they'll either quit or become ragekids anyway.

codave:

--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on July 14, 2010, 01:14:58 am ---Personally, I think that this beginning was the best part of the game.

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Agreed 100%

The thing I had the most trouble with when starting was obtaining a tent.  Ten hides seemed like a lot to gather without dying. 

I would support making it possible to set up a more primitive campsite with only a fire and a clay pot or something, out of more easily obtainable materials such as 10 wood and a hatchet.  No parking spaces, limited area to stash gear, but just enough to stash caps, a few armors, some guns and ammo.

However the truth is that it would little to no effect on the difficulty level of the game, it would still be hard for new players. 

TKs-KaBoom:
meh, new players are for the most part just spoiled lazy pussies used to having everything spoon fed to them led around on a leash like the sheeple they truly are.  Sometimes logic and problem solving skills are all you really need to succeed.  This game is one of those rare opportunities where those traits are properly rewarded.  Getting your first tent has been discussed on this forum many times.  You have many options for example, ask others to help you obtain hides, hunt 1 or 2 hides at a time and stash them, go along with larger hunting parties and sit in the back then take leather jackets to science for hides, etc,.  Once you have your first alt up to level 6 or more so much the easier to boot strap your next alt with hides.  This game isn't necessarily about brute force and spanking 10 hides out of a herd of cows, sometimes just a little cunning, finesse or a friendly face with "kool story bro" is all that is needed.


Think about it!

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