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Sneak vs Sniper
Roachor:
without sneak grenade builds would never get close enough to work, and the amount of skill points required to get good sneak means using pretty much all of a 10 int builds points with very little left over. Snipers are long range support, of course they get owned by close range assault.
zuhardu:
--- Quote from: Roachor on June 13, 2010, 07:19:49 pm ---without sneak grenade builds would never get close enough to work, and the amount of skill points required to get good sneak means using pretty much all of a 10 int builds points with very little left over. Snipers are long range support, of course they get owned by close range assault.
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LOL! You mean, it makes sense? Of course close range assault would own long range in close combat, but how could someone run at a facing sniper without being spoted? Explain that with your good logic! Like i said, sneak could and should be very effective against a 7-8 maybe 9 PE character, but not against a 10 PE sniper facing the attacker.
Anyway, i am just saying, this could not be right. The sneaked characters have no enemy. Every build should have a weak spot and those guys have none.
Roachor:
--- Quote from: zuhardu on June 13, 2010, 07:34:22 pm ---LOL! You mean, it makes sense? Of course close range assault would own long range in close combat, but how could someone run at a facing sniper without being spoted? Explain that with your good logic! Like i said, sneak could and should be very effective against a 7-8 maybe 9 PE character, but not against a 10 PE sniper facing the attacker.
Anyway, i am just saying, this could not be right. The sneaked characters have no enemy. Every build should have a weak spot and those guys have none.
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Sneak builds require 2 perks and almost all your skill points to sneak leaving little for other skills. One shot breaks your sneak and then you're a sitting duck. Maybe you shouldn't be in the mines alone.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2010, 11:38:37 am ---Sounds more a problem with AP 2 Grens than sneak to me.
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What. Frigging. Problem.
Seriously, there's no ranged combat skill as useless as throwing - and you see a problem with the fact that it's 2AP/grenade? Solar, what the hell?
As for the original post - that's just a load of BS. Sneak has been nerfed. It's just incredibly shitty these days and all it allows you to do is stalking bunches of people sitting in the desert from 20 hexes or so. If you didn't find a way of dealing with sneakers using a 10 PE powerbuild you really should work on your fighting skills or make a better char. Furthermore Plasma Nades are useless against CA. Frag nades are useless against anything. Wear a Combat Armor and you kill them with a sniper rifle. Easily. Yeah, sniper rifle in a mine > grenades in a mine. Oh, and it has over 3 times better reach. If anything, Plasma Grenades should cause knockdown again, at least they'd become somewhat usable. Not to mention that mines are quite specific locations and they force close quarters - I'd think that being a sneaky bastard with a bursting weapon or a grenade bundle would help in such circumstances, no?
--- Quote from: zuhardu on June 13, 2010, 07:34:22 pm ---LOL! You mean, it makes sense? Of course close range assault would own long range in close combat, but how could someone run at a facing sniper without being spoted? Explain that with your good logic! Like i said, sneak could and should be very effective against a 7-8 maybe 9 PE character, but not against a 10 PE sniper facing the attacker.
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God, I read the rest of this thread and I raged again. OF COURSE IT MAKES SENSE. Especially since the best you can do against a 10 PE sniper is 330 - 75 = 255 = 8 hex spotting range. And a 330 sneak build is so extreme you're bound to miss a few times. And when it comes to the actual range - it makes as much sense as max player vision range being close to 60 hex and weapon range being 50 hex. It makes more sense if you multiply it by 10 when converting to meters. Probably more like 20. Or accepting it's just a game and some shit is arbitrary.
--- Quote from: zuhardu on June 13, 2010, 07:34:22 pm ---Anyway, i am just saying, this could not be right. The sneaked characters have no enemy. Every build should have a weak spot and those guys have none.
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Yeah, they're so powerful nobody uses them in TC battles anymore ::) The fact of the game is they get killed even in grenade range by any unsurprised BG powerbuild and any critbuild that gets a knockout on them. Knockouts are common. Sneakers have no luck and eat a lot of criticals. Do I need to explain more?
Actually, the only thing a sneakbuild does well (but no longer excells at) is fighting 1v1 against people with weak armor. That's pretty niche and fitting a scout/skirmisher theme, don't you think?
zuhardu:
--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on June 13, 2010, 08:47:57 pm ---
Seriously, there's no ranged combat skill as useless as throwing
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Just by saying this stupid thing you prove you have not read what i've said until now and that you have no ideea what you are talking about, so you really do not deserve an answer.
Still:
--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on June 13, 2010, 08:47:57 pm ---Not to mention that mines are quite specific locations and they force close quarters
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Again, you prove you are just a lonley troll who doesn't read. I said Geko mine, i has A LOT of open space! Ever been there? Did you even fought those guys that i was talking about? I bet you haven't.
8 hexes is enough when you don't know where the enemy will apear, he's runing and you still have to aim a body part. like i said, and you haven't read
just like a proud troll, they make 240 dmg to a character with 195 hp and 10 toughness in 3-4 seconds. so, no, you can use any buid you want still it's not good enough.
Coming with a CA to a mine is again one of the stupidest thing i ever heard. Only if you want to lose it you would go alone in Geko mine with a CA and a sniper. Trolling again.
I really haven't intended to ofend anybody, i was just telling my opinion about sneak vs 10 PE, but I really can't wach how a agresive troll tells about me that what i wrote is BS when he proofs he has no ideea about what is talking. Thanks the others for their polite answers.
LE: now i've seen the signature, forget i said something, you are just an angry and lonley teenager...
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