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RavenousRat:
--- Quote from: _Youkai_ on May 31, 2010, 10:47:25 pm ---Ofc, better criticals is a must for snipers. Who don't want to cripple+huge dmg ?
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Finesse+hude dmg = you shooting at bluesuiter or armor bypass, but it's rare bypass armor at hand/leg.
Anyway finesse critical hits almost similar to regular hits without finesse, and finesse regular hits similar to regular hits from BB gun without finesse, so forget about any damage with this trait, if you aren't shooting at thief-bluesuiter or molerat.
Branco:
Guys, please enlighten me, i really think there a more types of crits as i described above:
My non-finesse sniper hits kind of like this :
- 20-30 Normal hit
- 50-70 Critical hit
- 60-100 Big Critical
- 60-80 Cripple Crit
My finesse sniper with 30% crit chance :
- 9-15 Normal hit
- 20-30 Critical hit
- 100-150 Big Crit
- 80-100 Cripple crit
Both using sniper rifle against metal armor mk2. Obvioulsy finesse is better as far as i noticed.
On a side note, i'd really wish Sniper Rifle would have the Penetrate Perk instead of Long Range.
RavenousRat:
--- Quote from: Branco on June 01, 2010, 09:56:13 am ---Guys, please enlighten me, i really think there a more types of crits as i described above:
My non-finesse sniper hits kind of like this :
- 20-30 Normal hit
- 50-70 Critical hit
- 60-100 Big Critical
- 60-80 Cripple Crit
My finesse sniper with 30% crit chance :
- 9-15 Normal hit
- 20-30 Critical hit
- 100-150 Big Crit
- 80-100 Cripple crit
Both using sniper rifle against metal armor mk2. Obvioulsy finesse is better as far as i noticed.
On a side note, i'd really wish Sniper Rifle would have the Penetrate Perk instead of Long Range.
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Finesse just gives you 10% to critical chance (usable only for frequent crits on legs/arms, because 25% isn't enough, and you can't get more than 25% without this trait), and increases DR of your target on 30%.
So you'll never deal more damage with finesse trait than without.
Critical chance doesn't affect your critical roll and damage multiplier, finesse just increases to score critical hit.
Only better critical perk gives +20 to critical roll, so if you roll [0;100], with this perk it'll be min 20 and max 120, so you'll have more chance of possibility to deal more damage, 'cause of multiplier, bypass armor, cripple, knock down/out, blind, drop weapon.
Quality of damage multiplier, armor bypassing, crippling, knock down/out, blinding and weapon droping isn't dependant on Finesse trai, More Critical or Better Critical perks.
Also if you're going to shoot head/eye, you don't need Finesse trait, because 25% must be enough. So Finesse trait will be mosty drawback.
Branco:
Yes, this is exactly what i thought, finesse only affects crit chance, only better crits affects dmg done, this is in the skill description as well.
BUT
I started thinking lately and i experimented enough to come up with the "different types of crits" idea.
I first knew something was wrong when my non-finesse sniper ALMOST NEVER made those huge crits that my finesse sniper did. I then started experimenting on mobs.
Non-Finesse dude : 40-60 Regular crits
80-120 Big Crits
Finesee Dude : 5-30 Regular crits
150-280 Huge crits.
Yes, this was on mobs, i havent written down the actual numbers i tried in pvp, but while the damage is much lower, the ratio is about the same when fighting players.
So as a sniper you'll never wear down the enemy with lots of damage, thats what the big gunners do. But what finesse does is to increase the chance for the "huge crit", as well as the chance to cripple.
Methinks finesse is a must for snipers, damage-wise too, as opposed to cripple-wise only.
toothpix:
Your huge crits must be instakills^^ You are not getting 280 hits on players because they don't have that many HPs:)
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