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Roachor:
EW needs plasma rifles, plasma is one of the damage types that high end gear has the least resistance to. Hell even PA doesn't resist it well.

yoz:
God damn, wtf.

This thread digressed from the topic and went all over the place.

Solar:

--- Quote from: Pandemon on May 18, 2010, 01:47:39 PM ---It does in PvP because how I wrote, more than a half of players wear now metal armors, 1/4 wear nothing, about 10% wear jackets or leather armors, maybe 5% of them wears CA or BA.
That makes laser rifles almost totally useless in PvP.

--- End quote ---

Laser Rifle 25-50 => Average Damage = 37.5. AP 7 to eyes.
Sniper Rifle 14-34 => Average Damage = 24. AP 8 to eyes.

Let’s go for targeting Metal Mk II. This makes Laser Rifles useless apparently.

17/80% Laser
4/35% Normal

Normal shot is therefore:

Laser = (37.5-17)*0.2 = 4.1
Sniper = (24-4)*0.65 = 13. Then reduce this to compare AP fairly = 13*7/8 = 11.375.

Difference is 7.275 per Laser shot.

Now compare an Armour Bypass result.

Laser = (37.5-(17/5))*0.84 = 28.644
Sniper = 24*0.93 = 22.32. Then reduce again = 22.32*7/8 = 19.53

Difference is 9.114 per Laser shot.


You would therefore only need to have an Armour Bypass result 44% of your shots that hit to do near identical damage to Metal Mk II with a Laser Rifle and a Sniper Rifle. I don’t have my spreadsheets here at work, but something in this region isn’t beyond the realms of possibility.


You also get 15% more shots with the Laser Rifle, so 15% more shots that could blind, instakill, cripple etc.

So in the end (much) better vs Leather Armours, comparable vs Metal Armours, better vs CA+ and gives more rolls on the critical table.


Don't really agree with calling them useless  :-\


(Note: I can't be bothered factoring in critical multipliers, but these would favour the Laser Rifle anyway)

Pandemon:
Numbers... numbers wrotten probably without spending long time playing with both weapons.
"Average" dmg in FOnline totally does not means the most frequent especially when % (in which critical chance, bypass chance etc.) are actually to complete rework as someone wrote before.

When I'll get some free time I will spent it for trying this and also for the topic about respawns.
Until it'll be done I propose to close temporary this topic or permanently and I'll make topic about Laser dmg vs Normal dmg somewhen.

Midnight:
Critical do max damages x 2-4.
Laser rifle do insane damages on all criticals and it's one of the main strength of sniper builds and for less AP and the same range ...

Don't know where laser sniper could be crap, except maybe against tesla.
So if you want to say laser screw, don't speak of snipers, seriously ...

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