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[Sephis]

Am I just unlucky or are there more thieves lately. A guy named Mr.Charisma took my shotgun shells after crafting and then murdered me. And another guy stole my gunpowder all in the same 15 minute period. I've never been targeted for theft before so it seems a little weird.

It seemed even weirder this all happened at ncr

[arathhunter]

you got murdered in NCR? and the guards dident do anything?
and one way to stop thiefs is to store all your things you dont want to lose in your tent (duh)
and if your reeealy need to take somthing with you, at most take 1 or 2 things with you, and make sure you carry them in your hands, slot 2 would be better incase they have the awareness perk and may try to attack you for some it

[Sephis]

you got murdered in NCR? and the guards dident do anything?
and one way to stop thiefs is to store all your things you dont want to lose in your tent (duh)
and if your reeealy need to take somthing with you, at most take 1 or 2 things with you, and make sure you carry them in your hands, slot 2 would be better incase they have the awareness perk and may try to attack you for some it

After I had made the shells I tried selling them to the nearby bar, that's when they got stolen. I get a message about a failed stealing attempt but I was still missing my shotgun shells.
   I was murdered by him when I followed him and he was at the locker room area of the crafting house. He kept me in a near death state for awhile until my poison killed me, it really sucked.

[avv]

Pics of didn't happen. Only crime that you described was that the dude held you under zero health. And even then you can ~cuttheveins.

Now that the subject is thieves, let's talk about them.
A thief stole my grease gun and shot me with it. The guards didn't react but when I shot back they shot me once, but only once. I'd like to know why didn't they shoot the dude who shot me and why did they shoot me when returning fire. And why did they shoot only once. My reputation was +500.

[Sephis]

Pics of didn't happen. Only crime that you described was that the dude held you under zero health. And even then you can ~cuttheveins.

Now that the subject is thieves, let's talk about them.
A thief stole my grease gun and shot me with it. The guards didn't react but when I shot back they shot me once, but only once. I'd like to know why didn't they shoot the dude who shot me and why did they shoot me when returning fire. And why did they shoot only once. My reputation was +500.

How is the only crime i described holding me under 0 health. Is murdering and thieving allowed in towns now?

screenshots don't work for me on fallout online(The picture is all black and with random trash pixels mixed in, not that i would know how to show you I went to  a bar with shot gun shells and I couldn't see someone lift them as a trade screen was up and i was scrolling through his wares.

I'm level 3 and I made the shotgun and the shells to use. If he stole my ammo I can't really do much to fight him back can I?
      When he attacked me is he supposed to be tagged cause he wasn't.  I had two rounds in my gun and he had more health then it's burst would of done damage. He was kind enough to leave my worthless sledgehammer, so I didn't have to make a new one.

(Why do i need to kill myself so he can take the rest of my items, that hardly seems like a good system. At that point the wasteland isn't harsh, it's mildly retarded.)

[RavenousRat]

If thieves attacking you, you probably at least once attacked a thief before. I mean before last death at NCR. Even if one week ago you once attacked a thief, and never died at NCR, but you can shoot back...
But shooting back and guards killing you? Strange, sometimes it happening, but only if I'm not 100% sure it's thief. But if he failed... he must be a thief.

[avv]

Is murdering and thieving allowed in towns now?

Yes and always has. Usually it has consequences.

I'm level 3 and I made the shotgun and the shells to use. If he stole my ammo I can't really do much to fight him back can I?

No you can't, unless you have ammo somewhere else.

When he attacked me is he supposed to be tagged cause he wasn't.  I had two rounds in my gun and he had more health then it's burst would of done damage. He was kind enough to leave my worthless sledgehammer, so I didn't have to make a new one.

Perhaps you're an outlaw in ncr and guards won't protect you. This happens if you have done something bad in ncr or to its inhabitants.

(Why do i need to kill myself so he can take the rest of my items, that hardly seems like a good system. At that point the wasteland isn't harsh, it's mildly retarded.)

If you don't want to lie with hp less than zero you kill yourself, there's no other reason.

[Sephis]

@avv
I don't think I'm an outlaw I have -95 rep with NCR and I think that was an accident with a caravan I got killed for. (I can't recall ever doing anything in town) The only things I do in town is making items because I want enough shells to go kill some scorpions and level up more. (How do I determine if I'm an outlaw if it doesn't relate to rep) Are you suggesting it's okay to steal as long as your not in trouble for it?

If thieves attacking you, you probably at least once attacked a thief before. I mean before last death at NCR. Even if one week ago you once attacked a thief, and never died at NCR, but you can shoot back...
But shooting back and guards killing you? Strange, sometimes it happening, but only if I'm not 100% sure it's thief. But if he failed... he must be a thief.

I never even saw the guy before I don't think I attacked him. And another guy had previously stolen some of my gunpowder and he didn't get tagged even though it said failed attempt. No I didn't try to shoot him, because he didn't get tagged. He shot me with the extra shotgun I made and the shells I had just finished. (And he didn't get tagged as dangerous or a thief for this!)

What stats determine people failing at stealing because I would of thought perception did and I have 8.

[avv]

I don't think I'm an outlaw I have -95 rep with NCR and I think that was an accident with a caravan I got killed for. (I can't recall ever doing anything in town) The only things I do in town is making items because I want enough shells to go kill some scorpions and level up more. (How do I determine if I'm an outlaw if it doesn't relate to rep) Are you suggesting it's okay to steal as long as your not in trouble for it?

Perhaps you have accidentally performed some crime in ncr that had made you outlaw. It can be stealing or attacking someone. If you haven't died the same crime is still in the memory of the guards and you're still an outlaw. It's just the warning message won't appear to you when you enter that town.

I never even saw the guy before I don't think I attacked him. And another guy had previously stolen some of my gunpowder and he didn't get tagged even though it said failed attempt. No I didn't try to shoot him, because he didn't get tagged. He shot me with the extra shotgun I made and the shells I had just finished. (And he didn't get tagged as dangerous or a thief for this!)

Tagged? You mean his name didn't change red? That doesn't happen anymore. But I have no clue why the guards didn't react other than you being an outlaw for some reason. Now that I think back your experiences remind mine and I totally was an outlaw when I was shot by a thief and guards didn't react. Players cannot achieve idolized status yet so it can't be because of that.

[Sephis]

I still can't think of a single thing i've done in town. and their name going redded and dangerous or thief flashing doesn't happen anymore? Does that mean if I ever see failed stealing attempt I can shoot them on the spot? Why was this changed, what if someone shoots the wrong person, or defends the outlaw on accident.

[GroeneAppel]

Perhaps you have accidentally performed some crime in ncr that had made you outlaw. It can be stealing or attacking someone. If you haven't died the same crime is still in the memory of the guards and you're still an outlaw. It's just the warning message won't appear to you when you enter that town.

Tagged? You mean his name didn't change red? That doesn't happen anymore. But I have no clue why the guards didn't react other than you being an outlaw for some reason. Now that I think back your experiences remind mine and I totally was an outlaw when I was shot by a thief and guards didn't react. Players cannot achieve idolized status yet so it can't be because of that.

No it's the gaurds, they are bugged a bit. I've seen people wear guns in the inner city, gaurds didnt mention anything. While they yelled at other people. Heck I've seen somoene who didn't do anything die under the gaurds noses by somoene else.

[Sephis]

now Doctoriskha or w/e stole from me and the guards said something but I couldn't chase him down and he left the map laughing. I've never been targeted for theft so much, what the hell is going on with stealing?

[vedaras]

now Doctoriskha or w/e stole from me and the guards said something but I couldn't chase him down and he left the map laughing. I've never been targeted for theft so much, what the hell is going on with stealing?

if you would read bugs section you could see that you do not lose reputation for stealing now, so i think this is main problem why there are so many thieves :>

[Sephis]

I didn't know if this was a bug, and I'm not stealing myself so i wouldn't of known about there being no rep loss