Other > Closed suggestions
Low lvl players protection
Badger:
--- Quote from: Aricvomit on January 02, 2010, 04:39:28 am ---i want a 5 course meal in a ferrari while getting bj's, of course by 5 course i mean 5 big ass cheeseburgers :p
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Seconded. Fetch me a highwayman and a bag of jerky. This game isn't going to turn itself around.
TommyTheGun:
+ Theres a lot of people helping newbies. One of the reason - they know how hard it is to start. Erm... What i want to say is - the game defends itself.
Oh, oh! And:
I think i like Fonline so much cause its not WoW-type easy game. It's not MMO Hack'n'Slash. You need to think about your actions or loose your stuff. It also means - when you finally get to the point when you don't really care about loosing stuff etc it's a great feeling. And it's also so nice because you didnt clicked through the whole game without wondering why.
Wichura:
--- Quote from: Badger on January 02, 2010, 04:22:23 am ---A game that allows new players to be fucked over and shat on by the game's veterans is one that quickly stagnates. The playerbase doesn't grow, as anyone who stumbles across it or is introduced to it will quickly become frustrated. The only people left are die-hard fans who'll play the game regardless of how good it is.
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I disagree - yesterday I met around 8 to 10 new players, don't remember exactly. I helped them to make a tent, gave them weapon, ammo and jacket and took for some simple hunting, first XP and loot. I saw some of them later at night in game, having much fun from first killed scorpions, first crafted ammo, first sold supplies or so. One of them even told me, that he is already addicted from FOnline - after couple hours of playing!
I think there is no need to do any "kindergartens", "orphanages" or such things. Tommy says well - this is Wasteland, and it is harsh. Faster you will know it, longer you can survive.
Arnatos:
--- Quote from: TommyTheGun on January 02, 2010, 04:54:30 am ---+ Theres a lot of people helping newbies. One of the reason - they know how hard it is to start. Erm... What i want to say is - the game defends itself.
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:D How would you know ??? I have seen you few times huntig unarmed blue siuts with laser. Unless thats what you understand by helping.
--- Quote from: Deja_Voodoo on January 02, 2010, 04:12:17 am --- Cry more, n00b.
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Mh yes not exacly the level of converastion i would expect from grown up.
--- Quote from: Badger on January 02, 2010, 04:22:23 am ---I think the obvious question to ask when considering things like this is 'How does this make the game more enjoyable?'.
A game that allows new players to be fucked over and shat on by the game's veterans is one that quickly stagnates. The playerbase doesn't grow, as anyone who stumbles across it or is introduced to it will quickly become frustrated. The only people left are die-hard fans who'll play the game regardless of how good it is.
A lot of new player problems could be solved pretty easily. Making all new character start in the same town/region in the worldmap will be a start, particularly if that town is heavily guarded. That town could then be packed with quests to familiarise new players with a lot of FOnline's new game elements, and how different the style of play is. Ideally, that town couldn't be enterable from the outside.
Dumping players into the world with no guidance and no gear isn't HARDCORE, it's bad design. Level 1 characters aren't newly born babies.
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Yes exacly what i'm thinking. If it will continue like it is after some time server will contain only bunch of 21 lvl Hardcore players and ocasional lvl 1-3 players trying the game out and deleting it from drive after few deaths.
Some people in this topic refered to wow. Using it as a bad example. I dont know why. Personaly i dont like wow world and charakters but thers a reason why that game has 10mln active users [or something like that]. Because its good game. Ofers easy start enjojable not hard game play and chalanging instances where even best players have to give their very best to sukced.
And IMO thats how it should be. Game should be fun and not to hard to play for average player and ofer some chelenging features for HARDCORE players.
Not other way around. Like in FO now where game is easy and fun when you on top and is a nightmare for new players.
--- Quote from: Wichura on January 02, 2010, 07:14:53 am ---I disagree - yesterday I met around 8 to 10 new players, don't remember exactly. I helped them to make a tent, gave them weapon, ammo and jacket and took for some simple hunting, first XP and loot. I saw some of them later at night in game, having much fun from first killed scorpions, first crafted ammo, first sold supplies or so. One of them even told me, that he is already addicted from FOnline - after couple hours of playing!
I think there is no need to do any "kindergartens", "orphanages" or such things. Tommy says well - this is Wasteland, and it is harsh. Faster you will know it, longer you can survive.
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I agree with most of what you have writen. I had same fun when playing for first few hours. First mined ore, minerals, first crafted gun and ammo. Yes it was damm fun. but Then some player kiled me while wisiting NCR. So i mined second ore an minerals crafted second gun and amoo. hour later kiled again. Third ore and minerals gun and ammo. And every time it was les fun and more annoying. Now for me this game is still fun in night time when there is not much players and carefoul player can actualy stay alive for hours.During day thers to many 2-4 man parties armed with advanced guns. but making 1 lvl character and starting playing during day time is nightmare. Maybe im litle over reacting beacuse i was trying difrent builds to find most suitable for me so i played 5 difrent characters lvl1-3 so overall i got killed more times than other. But i quite shure that most players below lvl 10 would agree with me that it's - for game not +.
TommyTheGun:
Yeah cause that's what i do. I hunt people with my laser. It's a pity, my char is non-pk small guns fastshooter. Theres not only one Tommy in that game - just so you know.
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