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(report) shotguns in pvp-useless

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Bulldog:
I thought a bit, so DT/3 would give a 5-round burst Pancor ... 10 damage, right? (Vs a CA without toughness)

Solar:
Well, Pancor doesn't have piercing, so it would remain exactly as it is now:

Pancor - 18-29 (Average 23.5) 0 Damage mod => 23.5 Damage per bullet.
Pancor DRmod = 0% => (23.5 - 5)*0.6 = 11.1 Damage per bullet
Pancor hits with 5 shells, 5*11.1 = 55.5


--- Quote from: Attero on April 18, 2010, 12:43:14 AM ---hurm so wiki needs update atm not in game so cant check the 5mm ap

that would then change the math too....

as for toughness i assume 1 toughness = 9DT (slightly damaged BA) and 45% reduction - quite well averaged value. As for BRD we can safely assume 2x coz every sinle miniguner has it .ok lets keep decimal values

((9.5+4)*2/3-3)*0.9= 5.4 dam per bullet makes a total of 67 average dam not too fency pancor is much closer...but still point blankzzzzz.......

for comparison atm it is (assuming hte bullet 2/3 dam adj) 6.3 so around 75 dam per round

here is worth of noting that LSW does 15 per bullet in similar situation as avenger (4 bullets max hit at range makes 60 dam)


again - you cant help people thinking here me thinks that best solution here if you wanna give love to panzor would be make it knockback at point blank range if within game power -

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Again we are comparing by including perks, its an unfair comparison and pointless as perks aren't balanced themselves. If anything that would suggest adding a perk to give shotguns a chance of knockback.

Attero:

--- Quote from: Solar on April 18, 2010, 12:01:49 PM ---
Again we are comparing by including perks, its an unfair comparison and pointless as perks aren't balanced themselves. If anything that would suggest adding a perk to give shotguns a chance of knockback.

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mubles ... and again if perk is considered as menditory we need to take it into comparison ... its same like better criticals for snipers all critical effect balance need to be done assuming player has it... whatever you plan on nerfing BRD is another story.....

Solar:
Balancing weapons by factoring in perks that need to change only creates more work rebalancing them.

Bulldog:
I don't get it, if high tier shotguns are not going to be rabalanced in the neaest future, then when shall we get the perks rebalanced, and will this changes make this weapon class actually worth something in pvp? How much shall we have to wait for them? How many months, maybe years?

PS, oh well, back to the Avenger and sniper builds, other weapons have disadvantages and this ones don't... Why bother then, just leave the mausers and remove all the rest weapons from the game, who needs variety? Instead of feading us with some "possible future perk changes" it would be much better of you to actually do something, yeah-yeah we know it takes time, but as I see it, it's almost as essentual as solving the lag problem. Fucking tired of being surrounded with the same biulds and guns, give us a breath of fresh air.(I don't mean to insult anyone, but seriosly, people, come on, do something, at least try, you can always try for example to do something and see the results, if they are satisfying, then you've done the right thing, if not, well, try again.)

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