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Wipe:

--- Quote from: BLDYMSS on June 19, 2013, 07:32:15 pm ---2238 could be restarted and improved

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Please don't.


--- Quote from: BLDYMSS on June 19, 2013, 07:32:15 pm ---certain unique pieces of code that aren't in the TLA SDK could be used for other projects.

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Ugh ;)


--- Quote from: BLDYMSS on June 19, 2013, 07:32:15 pm ---It would be such a waste if the good work of the developers just would be tossed in some dark corner, never to be found again.

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So far it includes almost ALL FOnline projects, so i wouldn't use it as an argument. "Almost", as i personally know only two projects which don't follow that path - TLA and MOBA. Can't see much interest in improving any of them, but let's not touch that.

Released 2238 would be nothing more than meat for the vultures - as people stated already, it would be either just for mirrors or adding few, specific features to already existing, closed-source servers. In the end, no profit for FOnline, as a general, would be achieved. So please, don't try to make 2238 evil becouse of staying closed (if it would happen), look at the closed and your own project first before saying "wasted code".

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A Traitor:

--- Quote from: Wipe on June 19, 2013, 09:26:19 pm ---Please don't.
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¿Please don’t what, exactly? ¿”Improve” 2238? Well, one man’s improvement is clearly another man’s horrible bad decision… But ¿who IS to say what is or is not an improvement? I’d say, for a stage 2 beta on a game 1Ø years old that many have forgotten, with no advertising campaign of any sort (I certainly didn’t hear of it, and I’ve still got extensive contact with the Fallout community), that “only” 5Ø players is a success story, not a sign of decline, yet this is the justification for shutting down… (DID YOU KNOW… …¿That not a single original Interplay board member has heard of 2238, except by me, and that I stumbled upon it quite by ACCIDENT when I did a google search for “Fallout Wiki” to look for certain screen art? Since that time, one other registered by quit a day later over the lack of power armor, one is still registered but now playing TLA solely because of the shut down, and I quit over the rampant PKing, lack of power armor, and insane requirements to join any of the traditionally heroic factions, mostly the BoS and Rangers…)

--- Quote from: Wipe on June 19, 2013, 09:26:19 pm ---So far it includes almost ALL FOnline projects, so i wouldn't use it as an argument. "Almost", as i personally know only two projects which don't follow that path - TLA and MOBA. Can't see much interest in improving any of them, but let's not touch that.
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¿And what other projects are there? Sorry, in this I claim ignorance, for the same reason cited above: No advertising of any sort, outside of here. ¿Must I discover them by accident as well? I am aware of Fallout: Mercenaries, but I could not get that to download, and it is certainly not a MPRPG.

--- Quote from: Wipe on June 19, 2013, 09:26:19 pm ---Released 2238 would be nothing more than meat for the vultures - as people stated already, it would be either just for mirrors or adding few, specific features to already existing, closed-source servers. In the end, no profit for FOnline, as a general, would be achieved. So please, don't try to make 2238 evil becouse of staying closed (if it would happen), look at the closed and your own project first before saying "wasted code".
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You assume much, though some of it correctly I suspect; There will be closed-servers, and some will add “special features” of their own (I, for example, would make any item available, though most items currently closed/unavailable would be made available by bringing the proper resources to a designated NPC merchant who would then craft them for you, for a price; I refer to power armor and certain guns, almost to exclusion)…
But many of these will lead to eventual open-player networks, or at least try to get to that point. I myself would make it a closed-group player server, allowing people in only by invitation (I intended to start with fellow ITOGs and my brothers and sisters, most of whom play because I bullied them into trying it, which is kind of laughable when you think about it), and about a doᵶ en people I’ve met at 2238 (though only of those I can FIND, which is quite a shame, since at least one quit the day after s/he started, Miojin struck me as “a nice kid”).
¿Does any OTHER project have the breadth of vehicles? ¿Sealed areas (I refer to the fact that you can not take weapons into the casinos)? ¿The ability to form factions? ¿Buy/build bases? ¿DO THEY EVEN HAVE TENTS? Since they are closed, by definition, the information is secret…
As to the question of “profit”… It seems quite strange to me to make an issue of this, as I presented FOnline 2238’s staff with an option that would have ensured funding for quite some time (without being a “pay=win” plan), and was told,
--- Quote ---“Any paid options are not possible - it is not just a non-profit venture, it is a game that used IP that does not belong to its creators. So any paid options are a guaranteed step to being sued by Bethesda.”
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Setting aside for the moment who does or does not “own” what in the 2238 universe, it was very clearly stated there was no profit option. It wasn’t possible. (It occurred to me at the time that this, taken to the kinds of illogical ends that killed FOOL, meant that 2238’s fund raising ventures were in jeopardy, so I choose not to pursue the matter at the time; Also, the staffer in question was an asshole about it all, and basically told me to fuck off.)

EDIT: Fixed Formatting.

Lexx:
Lots of things must have changed in the past few years, if nobody on the Interplay board has heard about the game. I'll guess all Fallout fans moved away from Interplay.

A Traitor:

--- Quote from: Lexx on June 20, 2013, 05:22:27 am ---Lots of things must have changed in the past few years, if nobody on the Interplay board has heard about the game. I'll guess all Fallout fans moved away from Interplay.
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???
But… After Interplay’s collapse, most of us did move away, and to date very few have returned… Not that I was looking THERE for anyone…
EDIT: I also run a facebook page for Interplay fans. None of them heard about it.
Here’s a quote:
--- Quote from: ME ---Fonline2238 is shutting down… Hopefully they will make the base code and player tent maps available… Let’s pray they do. At least then maybe some players can rebuild later on.
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And here is a reply:
--- Quote from: A FORMER INTERPLAY BOARD MEMBER ---Fonline2238?
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A little background: This guy was in Afghanistan until about a week ago…
--- Quote from: ME ---I wasn’t gonna tell you about it ‘till you got back, but it’s Fallout/FO2 played on-line, with some slight changes. The Master is long dead, but the Enclave hasn’t risen yet (Navarro exists, but that’s it).
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--- Quote from: ITOGER ---WHAT?! And now its gone???
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Ya. Just like that. Around for 4 years, and he was as clueless as the rest…

BLDYMSS:

--- Quote from: Wipe on June 19, 2013, 09:26:19 pm ---Please don't.

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I don't want to. But some people do. Even if its just for some local host revival.

--- Quote from: Wipe on June 19, 2013, 09:26:19 pm ---Ugh ;)
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Yeah, I get it. ;)

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