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Wipe the game or not?
Sephiroth-sama:
@Nice_boat, just to clarify a few things, I did not direct my entire post to you. It was just the first paragraph (the thing about beta). All the other "you" were directed to a few ranting players, who moved to TLA and keep ranting here.
--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on April 27, 2013, 07:48:40 pm ---If the game is a beta, please answer the following:
- what gameplay features were they trying to balance;
- why was there a major redesign of SPECIAL and armors (I guess that's what a normal dev would call an expansion pack);
- what were the goals of this beta, particularly in terms of its completion;
- why did it last 4 years?
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- All gameplay features. Remember FOnline:2238 was one of the first (if not the first) Fallout 2 online. Ever. There were TONS of things to balance (and there still are).
- Erm, because having everyone walk around in power armors is silly? The game was entirely designed for offline, single-player campaign, there would have more things to redesign and adapt. Messing with the SPECIAL is risky but anything you change in a game when you adapt it to online play, there WILL be people to complain (another completely unrelated example is the PokeMMO, it's pretty much FireRed online but there are changes and not implemented stuff and players keep saying "I would be better playing FireRed or <whatever other pokemon game here>").
- Probably to have a pleasurable, balanced game for most people. Yeah, this is tough.
- Well, dude, I've seen Alphas lasting for more than 4 years. There are several games in Alpha stage after a half dozen years. These things are not defined. And the beta will end when the devs said it ended, not us. They're the ones to estimate development stages, because they're the ones developing.
One thing is for sure, they didn't do the changes based on nothing or in their own opinion solely. They listened to players. This began as a discussion in the NMA forums, people never believed it would lead into something. When it DID lead, instead of keeping united, players just decided that FOnline turned into another MMO: "I'll rant, ask for nerfs for all the things I don't do, ask for buffs for everything I do, ask for changes to make everything easier for me (even though wasteland is supposed to be harsh) and always, always complain. When things don't go my way I'll just move to another server and claim my previous one was shit."
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Alvarez on April 27, 2013, 08:36:01 pm ---...
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See? You can if you try and it's hard to disagree with what you've said because for you, it's just a matter of personal taste. The problem is that if the devs made people like you their main target audience, the server would simply keel over and die, because there wouldn't be enough people playing. Besides, I don't think that putting a few months of pretty hardcore development into the game for a few people to do quests was really what the devs were aiming for, but then again who knows.
--- Quote from: Sephiroth-sama on April 27, 2013, 08:36:38 pm ---- All gameplay features. Remember FOnline:2238 was one of the first (if not the first) Fallout 2 online. Ever. There were TONS of things to balance (and there still are).
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Please, don't do that. If there were tons of things to balance, why were so many features scrapped and redesigned even when this course of action was objectively uncalled for since nothing was blatantly broken? That's not what you do in a beta, that's what you do with a mature game when you feel it's getting stale.
--- Quote from: Sephiroth-sama on April 27, 2013, 08:36:38 pm ---- Erm, because having everyone walk around in power armors is silly? The game was entirely designed for offline, single-player campaign, there would have more things to redesign and adapt. Messing with the SPECIAL is risky but anything you change in a game when you adapt it to online play, there WILL be people to complain (another completely unrelated example is the PokeMMO, it's pretty much FireRed online but there are changes and not implemented stuff).
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I meant the perk overhaul and helmet/body armor redesign. No matter how you look at it, that was an expansion pack. You don't do that shit when you're running a beta.
--- Quote from: Sephiroth-sama on April 27, 2013, 08:36:38 pm ---- Probably to have a pleasurable, balanced game for most people. Yeah, this is tough.
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But this isn't really a development goal, it doesn't give you standards to measure your progress.
--- Quote from: Sephiroth-sama on April 27, 2013, 08:36:38 pm ---- Well, dude, I've seen Alphas lasting for more than 4 years. There are several games in Alpha stage after a half dozen years. These things are not defined. And the beta will end when the devs said it ended, not us. They're the ones to estimate development stages, because they're the ones developing.
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Yeah, the argument that if the devs say it's a beta than it's a beta is impossible to refute, but I don't think they're using the word in its original meaning because in all honesty there's no actual testing going on... ie. there's no "test a feature, gather feedback, modify feature to match the goals" loop in use anywhere, it's just a bunch of knee-jerk nerfs, buffs and redesigns. All it does is introduce confusion, because I'm pretty sure you're aware that your answers weren't specific at all and nobody including the devs themselves would be able to provide the community with something more satisfactory.
Crovax:
I honestly think the game would be so much better if we could somehow go back to the end of 2011 right before the wipe happened, and then worked on it from there. Changes from the wipe were very extreme and left a lot of basically half done mechanics in the mix (at least from my Perspective) like AC perks, and kamikazi for example. I know not everything in that update was horrible, but i believe we were really close to something great previously.
Swinglinered:
--- Quote from: Mike Crosser on April 27, 2013, 03:43:21 pm ---Some people seem to have forgotten that grind is a crucial part of every mmorpg.
When you think of it grind is the only think that keeps you going.
You grind your weapons,you grind your armor,you grind your drugs,you grind your alts,you grind your fun.
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You grind your gear, you grind your alts, you grind it all, and there you have...
The Facts of Fonline.
Lotus_:
i thought this post was if people agree to wipe the game or not :S
a big wipe with some big changesd will make this game better ,, and stop with these stupied devs ideas
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