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Rework steal/karma

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Lexx:

--- Quote ---Well then it should be defined somehow what it means "if someone sees me stealing". If that means players/guards need just to look at my direction then whats the point of stealing?
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"If someone sees you" means, if your stealing roll failed.


--- Quote ---And I don't know if what you say about karma is current change or its been there from the beginning of this season.
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We don't use karma since we introduced the reputation system.



I am not saying, that stealing is perfect. In fact, it's broken, just like many other things. But we can't concentrate on that now anyway. Beside this, pvp stealing is annoying. If you as a player know that someone is trying to steal from you, but you can't do shit, then it's very much the top of the ladder of annoyance. The only way I see to make stealing more useful is introducing better pve stealing. We have plans 'n shit for it, but until someone from us will touche it, a long time might pass.

Sius:

--- Quote from: Lexx on March 31, 2010, 11:08:00 am ---"If someone sees you" means, if your stealing roll failed.

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If my steal roll fail then it should close inventory window and guards should shout at me as they sometimes do right? But in this case i just used skill at the brahmin, taken some stuff and then closed the window. No guard yelling at me, no player shooting at me, no nothing... but few seconds after this guard burst me for no reason. Then i check my stats and karma dropped for -6000 from one successful robbery. That kinda sux.


--- Quote from: Lexx on March 31, 2010, 11:08:00 am ---We don't use karma since we introduced the reputation system.

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Karma or reputation thats all the same and its doing no good right now. Same case happened today. I went to SF since I'm banished from NCR until summer ends and I was checking what local NPCs are carrying. I saw laser pistol so I decided to take my chance: 260% skill, pickpocket perk, that pistol is already mine I thought. But that lousy NPC noticed and closed inventory window leaving laser pistol where it was. But again for this single thievery my reputation went down from 0 to -1500, guards killed me and I can't enter the town for next 2 weeks. Now there is only VC left but even there it will be the same. 1 robbery and I'm done.

So not only stealing is broken (= pure skill based with overpowered perks) but combined with reputation system it makes all thieves as useful as photograph of oxygen to a drowning man.

Ganado:
So basically one of your points is that you are loosing Reputation even if you are successful in your steal. Yeah, I agree that should definitively be reworked.

Haraldx:
I support this, I wanted to be a thief too, but then I saw that I get killed over and over again for doing succesful robberies.

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