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Eternauta:
Why do you people keep repeating things I have already answered?

davrot:
Because the answers were primitive.

Aoife:

--- Quote from: Eternauta on February 25, 2013, 02:37:40 pm ---As I was afraid, the concept was a little too difficult to understand by most members of this fine community. Let's see...
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The concept is not diffucult to understand at all.  We simply do not agree with the arguments you have put forth.


--- Quote from: Eternauta on February 25, 2013, 02:37:40 pm ---Indeed there would and there is discrimination in the Fallout world, so "civilized" folk would probably never call their improvised tools "primitive", because that'd be like saying they're similar to tribals.

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"Civilized" folk would not consider themselves as being "primitive" or like tribals at all for using a "primitive" tool.  They would consider the tool itself to be of a primitive design.  And by primitive, I mean that of early man or culture.  This connotation seems to be the prevailing point of view by most involved in this discussion and by most people today in general.   

The meaning and connotation of words change over time.  It's not the 19th century anymore.  Rewind 60-70 years and the word gay meant happy or joyful.  In todays world, it means homosexual.  Though I will agree that the word primitive in some contexts can be used negatively.  However in this particualar instance it is not.  It is simply an adjective used to desribe certain qualities of the tool or object.  Primitive also does not necessarily imply bad or crappy, but rather it's design or creation is of a less complicated (or in some cases less sophisticated) manner as compared to the version made by modern man.  In this way, primitive is appropriate in it's use.

Kanly:
If I may add my opinion, from my memory of the game (fo2) you was often discriminated as tribal. This happened in New Reno ( That's YOUR problem, tribal) , in Vault City, etc...

Then reading the dictionary for primitive I see denoting or relating to a preliterate and nonindustrial social system or characteristic of an early state, esp in being crude or uncivilized.
So it is primitive for people living in the town, but we usually play with char using fire-weapons, so the crude tools (and it is a crude tools, everyone can easily craft it) could be seen as primitive.

Add to this that maybe devs have more urgent problem to solve.

By the way I appreciate the interest that Eternauta have in the choice of the words  :)
Words are important

T-888:

--- Quote from: Eternauta on February 25, 2013, 10:29:52 pm ---Why do you people keep repeating things I have already answered?

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I read your posts like twice now, I still fail to see reason for any of this.

Just because you think word primitive holds some judgment values, look this is just ... we don't care, we don't see the relevance and necessity for something to be called rudimentary instead of primitive. For me the word never associated with something tribal like, I guess there are plenty more players like me, you should think about that.

If anything what difference would it make? You sure put a lot of effort for just about nothing.

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